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MCSE Boot Camp Training Classes

By flynmonkey ·
Has anyone taking a MSCE Bootcamp training class?
I am considering one from Unitek Information Systems. It is 14 days straight from 8 am to 8 PM.

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Boot Camps

by Mike Mullins In reply to MCSE Boot Camp Training C ...

I'd recommend
besides getting a boatload of certifications, you'll actually learn something in the process.

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by mrafrohead In reply to MCSE Boot Camp Training C ...

A guy in my department did that once.

He was guaranteed to pass.

Guess what, he didn't.

I would hold no value in that. Sit down, grab a good book and some great techno and do it the old fashioned way. Study, apply.

Build yourself a test network out of crap computers and work on it and see what you get.

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a better approach

by apotheon In reply to MCSE Boot Camp Training C ...

Try learning something, instead of cramming. The industry needs more people with skills, instead of just strings of letters after their names. Read a lot.

Read a LOT. Learn from what you read. When you understand a subject well, only then should you consider whether you want to pursue a certification in that subject.

Besides, it's cheaper to study on your own than it is to take one of those certification "boot camp" classes.

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boot camp

by sailor_12801 In reply to MCSE Boot Camp Training C ...

I did an MCSE/MCDBA boot camp and passed as promised. Most good ones pre screen to weed out potential failures. What they do is teach you the Microsoft answers. When I took the tests there were times where there were better answers but not the right ones. Read all you want but the websites with the sample tests or boot camps are going to give you a better chance of passing

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by apotheon In reply to boot camp

. . . which is exactly what's wrong (or at least one of the things that's wrong) with the Microsoft certifications.

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by ReMaind In reply to indeed

...and the crappy thing is that you can't get a job with out those GD letters on your resume. unless you have experience or a masters, 90% of all companies will ignore your resume unless it has an M, C, S, and E on it. Compounding my frustration is that everyone I've worked with who got their job based on their MCSE have been the laziest and least competent people I've had the distinct honor of working with...That's not to say that every MCSE is a piece of crap, just that I've worked with some terrible ones.

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by Why Me Worry? In reply to

Believe me, the old days of certs standing out on resumes and actually giving somebody a better chance of landing a job are long gone. Thanks to all these "boot camps" and other paper cert mills, even Joey the plumber can now get his MCSE. Believe me, IT hiring managers don't give a flying #$$%#$ about how many certs somebody has. They have all seen paper certs and want somebody who has the experience and technical troubleshooting skills, not just a pretty piece of paper with a gold seal on it. I myself have encountered people who had an MCSE, CCNA, A+, etc. but when the crap hits the fan and the network is crashing, you find these people curled up in the fetal position under a desk somewhere.

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Complete Bull

by zanate In reply to NOT TRUE..CERTS ARE OVERR ...

Certs are not overrated at all. I think this industry has matured to the point no one thinks that just because someone is certified that they know what they are doing. It's much like a college degree in that way. Everyone realizes that certifications and degrees are just tools. It allows hiring managers something to look at to establish base exposure, but is not a substitute for real world experience or inate talent.

I have a number of certifications, but I also have 12 years of hardcore real world experience. I am looked to as the expert in my field and I deliver. When I hire, certifications are a plus, but not a meal ticket.

I have worked with a number of very well qualified individuals that are both certified and not certified. I have noticed that for the qualified individuals that didn't bother to certify -- it was always, 100%, a lack of motivation that was the issue. They would grumble about the lack of respect or lack of salary, but they wouldn't apply themselves to small effort it takes to take handful of stupid tests.

Paper certifications will always exists if cetifications are based solely on exams (and unfortunately for CCIE -- sometimes when there is lab requirement). MS seems to have realized this and is coming out with a high power Architectrue cert that, like the Professional Engineer certification, is going to be based on years of experience, an exam, a board review, letters of recommendation -- etc.

I've never been to a bootcamp, but I'm planning of going to one. This is mostly because my time is in short supply and I want to be exposed to as much as possible in a new field of study as quickly as possible. I don't have months to spend on self study or in standard classes (which are pretty lame). I don't expect to become an expert in software development in 2 weeks, but with some pre-class self study, 2 weeks of 14 hour days combined with my background, I expect to be able to hold my own.

Jason D Wilson,
Sr. Systems Engineer and DBA
Austin Radiological Assoc.

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Well stated.

by techrepublic In reply to Complete Bull

Well stated. I'm just as tired of hearing people who don't have certs complain about how worthelss they are as I am of people who do have them making them sound like they mean everything. As is usually the case in life, this is not a black & white issue. I have 12 years of experience, the last 6 as "head honcho". I have a lot of knowledge in a wide range of areas but have only taken and passed a few cert tests (some CompTIA ones and Cisco CCNA). Certifications didn't get me where I am, so I don't place a lot of value on them. But my employer wants me to pursue them because our IT auditors like to see some sort of "proof" that I didn't just bluff my way in. The fact that I've been here for 7 years and things are running smoothly is about 95% of what they need to know, but the certifications top it off, regardless of whether it is an actual measure of my abilities or not. The fact that external auditors and government examiners look for certs (and degrees) means that they do have some value. Whether it's real or just perceived or even warranted doesn't really matter. Having put in my two cents, this arugment isn't helping to answer the question that was asked. This person is obviously planning to attempt to attain the MCSE and is simply asking if a bootcamp will help him do that.

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by SLS2010 In reply to Complete Bull

You have basically put the real problem at hand. Yes, applying yourself is something that must be done to understand anything completely. Unfortunately, time is the one thing that everyone is growing very short of. I myself will being attending some bootcamps in the near future, as with working 40+ hour weeks, a family at home, and attending school full time, the time is just not there. And like Zanate said, "It's much like a college degree in that way. Everyone realizes that certifications and degrees are just tools. It allows hiring managers something to look at to establish base exposure, but is not a substitute for real world experience or inate talent."
Just because it is on a piece of paper, don't mean that the knowledge is truly there, and with every employee hired you take a risk. And in taking a risk, you have a fifty, fifty chance of getting what you pay for. Because you don't know that person from Joe **** walking down the street.

Thanks Again Zanate!

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