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    More Trouble – Motherboard Problems

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    by var1016 ·

    Hello again. It’s tough isn’t it?

    Following the sickness of my main computer (see “Big Trouble”) and being stuck with a slow old banger, I have started to build another. AMD 64 4000+ processor, and Gigabyte M55plus motherboard, bought on ebay… SO I fired it up and it recognised the processor and the memory (1GB in dual channel) and I went through the bios; all seemed OK. SO today I installed a working DVD player (IDE type), and suddenly all was not well. Processor LED flat out, bios very slow, wouldn’t recognise the DVD. Gave up, reinstalled the DVD into the original computer and when connected computer hangs before boot. Disconnect DVD and computer boots and runs OK – slow as usual.

    So I presume that the Gigabyte motherboard has destroyed the DVD; is this likely/possible?

    Once again, thanks in advance
    Paul

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    • #2912542

      Clarifications

      by var1016 ·

      In reply to More Trouble – Motherboard Problems

      Clarifications

    • #2912501

      Check a few things first

      by mjd420nova ·

      In reply to More Trouble – Motherboard Problems

      One thing I’ve run across is the mixing and matching of cables to interface with the MOBO. Check the drive to insure the jumpers are set the way you want them, (ie. Primary, secondary, Cable select) Sometimes having a DVD drive set to primary and the hard drive set to primary or the DVD set to cable select and being the primary connection will really confuse the BIOS and might ignore the DVD or hard drive or both. Something to look into.

      • #2912174

        Priority – Master/Slave

        by var1016 ·

        In reply to Check a few things first

        Hello and thanks for your advice.
        As I have replied below, the DVD worked fine in the old computer (it now doesn’t) and I had not changed the jumper setting, stupidly assuming that it would be correct. Of course the old computer does not have a SATA HDD and since the BIOS (in the project computer) considers that IDE is channels 0 & 1 inevitably I suppose, it sees the DVD as a master?

        Thanks

        Paul

    • #2912498

      While anything is possible it’s not likely Paul

      by oh smeg ·

      In reply to More Trouble – Motherboard Problems

      As this Gigabyte M’Board has 2 IDE Channels a Floppy Drive Chanel and 4 SATA Drive connectors it is possible that the Jumper on the IDE Drive is causing a conflict with something else on that IDE Lead or that actual IDE Lead is the wrong one for this M’Board.

      With Optical Drives I always place them on the end of a IDE Lead on the second IDE Chanel that would be the green one if it is this M’Board

      http://tinyurl.com/593x6b

      While I’m not up to date with NVIDIA Chip Sets Gigabyte make fairly decent M’Boards and they are very unlikely to do any real damage though if the IDE Lead is the wrong type I’m not sure how well this would work here. You need a ATA 130 Lead so it should have 80 thin wires in it that run from the 40 pin connectors on the M’Board to the IDE Drives. Not one with 40 Thicker wires these are for slower Data Transfer Rates and can cause problems with some M’Board Chip Set Types.

      If the drive has been damaged it’s much more likely to be the Power Supply which has done the damage, while not a common thing these days any Power Splitters can cause problems and a while ago they came wired the wrong way so instead of splitting the Power to two or more plugs they mixed the 5 & 12 Volt Supplies up to all the extra connectors that they had. Look at any Splitters that you may have and see if the yellow wires go tot he same pin on the Plug as they come from the Socket. Of to put it another way see if the wires go to the same pin on the male sockets that they come from the Female Socket.

      Shouldn’t happen now and if it has you have a comeback against the place that sold you the splitter though they may not see things that way.

      As for the BIOS it should see the Drive if it is correctly jumpered Master needs to go on the end of a 130 ATA Cable and Slave to the Middle Connector. Cable Select or CS can go to either. But if there is something else on the Data Cable and it’s not correctly set it will cause the system to be really slow or maybe not even POST.

      If you have an older 40 way IDE Lead I’m not exactly sure what will happen with this Chip Set M’Board but with both Intel and SIS Chip Sets it will cause the M’Board to be very slow to do anything. When you replaced the Drive to the other computer and it stopped booting that is a sign of an incorrectly jumpered Drive which is in conflict with another drive on that Data Lead or in the case of a 80 way IDE Cable it has been plugged into the wrong connector. Just altering the Jumper on the DVD Drive to the left of the Data Lead there are 3 sets of 2 pins which are generally labeled as Master being closest to the IDE lead then the Slave and finally Cable Select or CD being the one furtherest away from the IDE Lead. If you are attempting to use a Sound Lead from the back of the drive either a Digital Sound Out 2 wire lead or a Analog Sound Out 4 Wire Lead you don’t need either of these with XP or newer OS’s so disconnect them as they could be contributing to the problem.

      Hope that is of some assistance

      Col

      • #2912182

        IDE Cables

        by var1016 ·

        In reply to While anything is possible it’s not likely Paul

        Great stuff, thanks very much.

        Right, yes I used an old 40-wire IDE cable – but I have a a ATA 133 type on the way. I tried both the IDE sockets, but used the green one second…

        After I saw the problem, I noticed that there appeared to be no power at the DVD (drawer wouldn’t open). It did work initially however (I optimistically inserted an OS disc!).

        The HDD is connected via a SATA connector – I was puzzled that it came up as Channel 2 – presumably Channels 0 and 1 are the IDE ones. There are no jumpers on the HDD, but it appeared OK in the BIOS.

        With regard to the DVD, I had not touched the jumper and since it was working perfectly in the other PC where I installed it a couple of years ago I had no reason to suspect it.

        On re-installing it in the original PC, I got the same symptoms: process LED full on and it hangs on the splash screen (maker’s name). Remove the lead and it works (I am working on it now. The DVD is connected to the end of the IDE ribbon cable (before it was connected to the second “spare” plug as the first connector went to the CD unit which I suspect has gone the same way as I tried that in the project PC. Strangely the drawer now worked.

        Of course I will try replugging – I did not make any audio connection.

        Since DVD units are cheap I have ordered a new one!

        Grateful thanks yet again for your help.

        Best wishes

        Paul

      • #2912121

        Couple of Points

        by var1016 ·

        In reply to While anything is possible it’s not likely Paul

        Hello again.

        I tried connecting the DVD again (in the old computer where it used to work). This time I used the same IDE plug as used before. The results were the same: hang on maker’s splash screen and no boot.

        Turning to the Gigabyte motherboard, I have studied the layout diagram in the user manual (a 7MB Acrobat document!). I was puzzled to read that the four SATA sockets were labelled “Sata 0/1 and SAT 2/3). The green IDE socket is said to be IDE 1 with the cream on,e being IDE 2 – I recall I tried IDE 2 first yesterday.

        I had originally fired up the PC without the DVD installed, and had picked a SATA socket at random for the HDD. The BIOS detected the HDD straightaway and said it was running in Channel 5. I replugged it to the first of the SATA sockets and then it came up as Channel 2. I would expect the HDD to come up as Channel 0 or 1 so I am a bit mystified by this.

        The big problem is that the motherboard is a bit of an unknown quantity, but I had assumed that since the BIOS was working and it identified the CPU, memory and HDD, it was probably OK, but perhaps I am a bit na?ve?!

        best wishes

        Paul

        • #2912115

          Just to Add…

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Couple of Points

          No splitters in the PSU and all connectors appear to be wired correctly (checked against another PSU).

          Jumper on DVD is set to “slave” – middle position.

          Paul

        • #2911923

          OK I’ll try to cover everything here

          by oh smeg ·

          In reply to Just to Add…

          SATA Drives do not have Jumpers on them as they do not need to be set to anything except maybe a slower SATA Standard. Some SATA Drives have a jumpoer on them which slows th Data Transfer tot he M’Board or from the M’Baord down to the old standard. Generally speaking though it’s not a issue though.

          The DVD Drive sounds very much like a Power Issue where it’s not getting the correct power and is attempting to pull the required power through eith er the 5 V DC Line or the Data Line. Check the connections for the 4 Power Pins on the circuit Board of the DVD Drive. One of the soldered joints may have broken or a pin may have broken. Aother thing that can happen is that the Power Sockets in the Male Plug get spread out and stop making contact with the Pins in the Power Connector. You can tighten these up with a Screwdriver by bending themin and making the hole smaller. [b]Just Make Sure that you have the Mains Disconneted before doing this though as you will destroy a PS if you short things out.[/b]

          The SATA Connectors are numbere from 0 to 3 on most of this type of M’Board with a Pair generally 0-1 being used to setup a RAID Array wh9ich this M;Board also supports. When the Primary SATA Drive connector comes up as Channel 2 that means that the BIOS supports the SATA Drive and you shouldn’t need to install any SATA Drivers when you load Windows. Older Chip Sets didn’t do this and you needed to install a SATA Driver when you initially loaded the computer with Windows. The old [b]F6 Key[/b] trick when the first blue screen appears and the SATA Driver coppied to the root of a floppy.

          I would expect the M’Board to be OK and as the M’Board in the other computer hasn’t been damaged I would put the problem down to the IDE Lead and either a spread Power Connector or a bent/broken Power Pin on the DVD Drive.

          With the DVD Drive set to Slave it needs to go on the Middle Connector of the 80 way IDE Lead.

          What happewns to the old computer if you disconnect the Power Lead and not th Data Lead? I would be testing it first before trashing it but I don’t like to unnecesarly sell parts that are not required.

          Hope that is of some use and I covered everything.

          Col

        • #2912849

          Wonderful STuff!

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to OK I’ll try to cover everything here

          That’s great stuff and very informative.

          I will certainly have a look at the DVD unit, although I should say that in the old computer, the drawer works and the little green lamp comes on – with the IDE cable disconnected. I will try what you suggest with the connection of the IDE cable and disconnecting the power lead.

          Thanks very much

          Paul

        • #2912651

          DVD Report

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to OK I’ll try to cover everything here

          Hello again.

          I tried again (in the old computer) the DVD with the power disconnected but the IDE cable connected: same result hang on the splash screen, no boot, processor LED full on.

          Interestingly, following the DVD problem, I had removed the old CD unit from the old computer and tried that in the “project” without success (i.e. before I knew about 80 wire IDE cables!) Today I removed it and refitted it to the old machine and it works fine. Incidentally the jumper is set to “master” which I think is why I had the DVD set to “slave” and which ran off the intermediate plug on the ribbon cable.

          Best wishes

          Paul

    • #2912466

      Just One Thing to Add

      by thechas ·

      In reply to More Trouble – Motherboard Problems

      The only thing I can add to this is that many motherboards do not function well with an optical drive connected as the Master drive on the IDE 0 channel.

      I have seen some strange booting on systems configured with an optical drive configured as the first IDE device.

      Chas

      • #2912178

        Thanks Chas

        by var1016 ·

        In reply to Just One Thing to Add

        I have explained more of the symptoms in my reply to OH Smeg above; I am a bit stumped because the HDD is SATA; if the BIOS considers that the IDE channels are 0 & 1 it seems I have no choice unless I buy a SATA DVD unit.

        Thanks again,

        Paul

        • #2911889

          Some Added Comments

          by willcomp ·

          In reply to Thanks Chas

          As Colin recommended, connect optical drive(s) to secondary IDE channel (white mobo connector) using an 80 wire cable. Set drive to Master and use end connector.

          SATA channels start after the IDE (PATA) channels — both are ATA variations (PATA and SATA). So SATA staring at channel 3 on your motherboard is correct since you have two PATA channels.

          You likely have a faulty power plug, cable, or drive. Another possibility is drive jumpering although that’s not likely with a single drive.

        • #2912847

          Interesting

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Some Added Comments

          Thank you.

          I note that you say set the DVD to “master”. It is currently set to slave as it has been since I bought it two years ago.

          All worked fine in the old machine, before “The Experiment”, but sadly no longer.

          When the ATA133 IDE cable arrives I shall try what you have suggested.

          Thanks again

          And best wishes

          Paul

        • #2912750

          Shouldn’t Matter

          by willcomp ·

          In reply to Interesting

          For a single drive, master or slave should work without problems. I’m just trying to cover all the bases. End cable position is master for cable select, so I prefer to use master when a single drive is connected to end connector.

        • #2912659

          Master/Slave

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Shouldn’t Matter

          Thank you for clearing up that one!

          Paul

    • #2926984

      A Bit More

      by var1016 ·

      In reply to More Trouble – Motherboard Problems

      Still waiting for the 80-wire IDE cable, but the new (IDE) DVD player has arrived. Re-studying the instructions for the Gigabyte M55 plus – S3G motherboard I see that it says: “2 IDE connectors (IDE1, IDE2) with UDMA 33/ATA 66/ATA 100/ATA 133
      support, allowing connection of 4 IDE devices.”

      Now could you please tell me if this suggests that it should work with a 40-wire IDE cable, because if so it rather suggests that the board is faulty (as it destroyed the old DVD unit).

      Thanks,
      Paul

      • #2926980

        Just one thing to check….

        by Anonymous ·

        In reply to A Bit More

        In your bios make sure that in the “sata” section mark it as “raid”. Just give it a try and see if this works out. Just a guess.

        Please post back if you have anymore problems or questions.

        • #2926960

          RAID

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Just one thing to check….

          Thank you Peconet – again.

          Could you spare the time to explain briefly how this is connected with the (IDE DVD drive?

          Following the advice I have been given here, I am reluctant to try the new DVD drive until I have the 80-wire IDE cable!

          Thanks again

          Paul

        • #2926956

          It just might cure your problem of the DVD drive issue…

          by Anonymous ·

          In reply to RAID

          I did say Might, it might not.
          Any motherboard i have, the “sata” section is marked as raid, it is sometimes marked “IDE”, i just change this to “raid”. It just breaks the two programs on the motherboard into different sections so as not to collide with either, separate channels instead of being on the same channel.

          Please post back if you have anymore problems or questions.

        • #2927044

          Sata/RAID

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to It just might cure your problem of the DVD drive issue…

          Thank you I think I understand the idea – interesting.

          Paul

        • #2918106

          RAID Problem

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Just one thing to check….

          Hello, although the computer works nicely, I decided to try this. SO in the BIOS under “Integrated Peripherals” I enabled SATA II Raid function. The result was that the computer wouldn’t boot – it said “Disk Error”. SO I went back to the BIOS and disabled the SATA II Raid function, and got exactly the same result: Disk Error. I switched off and on again and then found that pressing Del no longer took me to the Bios.

          At this point I was feeling decidedly panicky. Fortunately I saw at the bottom of the screen “Press F9 for emergency recovery” or something like that. This made the computer boot and I think it’s OK now – BUT I can no longer access the BIOS at all – pressing Del has no effect. Is there some way to restore this function?

          I have no understanding of what RAID is even though I have read something about it – but I suspect that I shall leave it strictly alone for the time being.

          Best wishes

          Paul

        • #2917801

          Fixed

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to RAID Problem

          Thank God for Gigabyte!

          Gigabyte has a wonderful feature called Bios@. This enables one to update the Bios via Windows. All done in a few minutes and now once again I can access the Bios. Phew!

          Paul

        • #2917748

          Paul RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disc’s

          by oh smeg ·

          In reply to Fixed

          So it uses a minimum of 2 HDD’s to store your data on to offer some offer of Redundancy.

          There are several different types of RAID 0, 1, & 5 being the most common.

          To use a RAID Array you need to identical HDD’s and you can either span your data across the 2 drives or Mirror the Drives so that they both contain the same Data but are only seen by the computer as 1 HDD.

          A full description is available here for the Different RAID Configurations.

          http://tinyurl.com/686ck

          Cheers

          Col

        • #2917713

          RAID

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Paul RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disc’s

          Thanks again.

          Clever stuff Raid…

          I shall be much more circumspect in future!

          Best wishes

          Paul

        • #2917739

          Enabling RAID

          by thechas ·

          In reply to RAID Problem

          Paul,

          When you enable RAID on your motherboard, you then need to configure the hard drives into a RAID array.

          This is NOT something you do on a running system!

          I can understand why you lost the ability to boot the system. I’m not sure why you lost the ability to enter BIOS setup.

          Happy to hear that you were able to recover.

          Chas

        • #2917715

          Did the wrong thing then!

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Enabling RAID

          Yes, I have to say that that was all a bit stupid on my part!

          The strange thing is that the F9 I pressed more or less as a last resort is in fact Gigabyte’s “Express Recovery” system. I had not knowingly set this up, but somehow it worked!

          I have been very lucky I think.

          Thanks

          Paul

        • #2917448

          That is what I like about

          by rob miners ·

          In reply to Did the wrong thing then!

          Gigabyte Motherboards. The extra features like Dual Bios and the BIOS Setting Recovery that has saved my bacon a couple of times. Paul if you want more control over BIOS Features when you enter the BIOS press Ctrl+F1 and you will have access to the advanced features. eg: You can enable HDD S.M.A.R.T., which is SmartDrive, a very handy tool.

          Rob

        • #2911715

          Gigabyte

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to That is what I like about

          Hello Rob.

          I am a committed Gigabyte fan now! I bought this motherboard for very little money on ebay and I am so impressed that I think I’ll borrow the better processor from my HP Pavilion computer for it – and 2GB ram as well! I’ll certianly try Ctrl F1 and have a look.

          Best wishes

          Paul

      • #2926941

        Paul I think you’ll find that this M’Board supports those Standards

        by oh smeg ·

        In reply to A Bit More

        So you can plug a device that meets any of those Standards onto the M’Board and it will work correctly.

        I don’t know that you actually need a 80 way IDE Lead but I always use them on the newer M’Boards as I had a problem a while ago where a M’Board refused to work read that as Boot with a 40 way IDE lead. When I replaced the IDE lead with a new one that came with the M’Board it worked so ever since I have not used the old IDE Data Leads on these M’Boards.

        While it may not be necessary I have never actually tried again with one of the old leads so I’m not 100% sure of this being required but I just don’t waste the time trying it out now. But because the M’Board can support the older Standards doesn’t mean that it actually works will the older Data Leads just that if you plug in a Older Standard Device it is recognized and will work.

        I hope that helps you understand.

        Col

        • #2927040

          Sounds Good to Me!

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Paul I think you’ll find that this M’Board supports those Standards

          I shall definitely wait for the new lead I think!

          Thanks

          Paul

        • #2916957

          Yet Again: Thanks!

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Paul I think you’ll find that this M’Board supports those Standards

          The 80-wire IDE cable arrived today.

          All works perfectly and indeed I have composed this message on the new computer.

          At present it has only 1GB RAM, but it’s pretty fast, running XP Pro. Of course I don’t actually need it as the other one is running fine, but it has been an interesting exercise. I plan to get another HDD and have a bash at some form of Linux, VIXTA perhaps.

          Thanks again – to everybody.

          Paul

        • #2916770

          Your Welcome

          by oh smeg ·

          In reply to Yet Again: Thanks!

          We do try to confuse as much as possible. 😀

          Col

        • #2914714

          Confusion

          by var1016 ·

          In reply to Your Welcome

          No need to try; I can confuse myself beautifully!

          Paul

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