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    Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

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    by rexworld ·

    Mozilla.org has posted the Firefox 1.0 Preview Release. Here’s the free download:

    http://downloads.builder.com/abstract.aspx?docid=97694

    Would love to hear what people think once they’ve downloaded and tried it out.

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    • #2707109

      Best browser on the market.

      by lonniehodges ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Firefox is the absolute best browser on the market. I used to be a Netscape user until I started reading about Firefox. I decided to give it a try and I have never looked back. Being a web designer, Firefox definitely speeds up the design process with its many tools and customizable features. I urge everyone to drop Netscape, Opera and definitely internet explorer and use Firefox.

    • #2707106

      Favorite Features

      by rexworld ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I’ll start by listing my favorite features in Firefox:

      1. The Pop-up Blocker.
      2. Tabbed browsing.

      What else?

      • #2707092

        RSS Live Bookmark

        by rexworld ·

        In reply to Favorite Features

        Sorry, just found another feature I love–if your page is coded correctly, Firefox can detect the RSS feed and gives you a “Live Bookmark” option in the status bar. Click on that and it adds the feed as a bookmark, but the clever part is that the bookmark displays the contents of the RSS feed.

      • #3305288

        So?

        by lsw ·

        In reply to Favorite Features

        So does Netscape, Mozilla, Camino…. Opera…. Enigma, Avant, Crazybrowser, SlimBrowser….. Pop-up blockers and tabbing are par for the course now…. accept of course IE.

        The fact that Firefox and the rest of the Mozila family supports Standards always gets forgotton.

    • #2706797

      Firefox Rocks….but

      by brendon chase ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I’ve found some of the extensions for Firefox really cool: http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/

      (some of them are a little buggy too)

      My gripe with using alternative browsers, like Firefox, Opera and so on is that many sites are only designed for Internet Explorer.

      Examples are a CMS I use often for one Web site won’t work properly, my online banking doesn’t work correctly and one of my favourite news sites breaks.

      What do we do with these non-standards compliant “developers”?

      • #2707435

        Better Developers

        by rrvillan ·

        In reply to Firefox Rocks….but

        I have been developing web sites/applications for 8 years now. This browser my very well get the developers to adhear to the HTML standards if enough people start using it and complaining about the crappy way the site looks or performs.

      • #2720913

        Use IE when you have to…

        by noel ·

        In reply to Firefox Rocks….but

        I use FireFox for all my standard browsing, and for my web development. I build my pages using hand-code anyway, so it always works in most browsers without modification. I then test my pages in the other browsers.
        I too, run across sites that won’t work well in FireFox. I simply re-load the site in IE. I am quite happy with this arrangement, because the only sites that I use IE on are sites that I trust anyway.

        • #2708056

          Reply To: Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

          by jacquelineth ·

          In reply to Use IE when you have to…

          In fact there is a plugin to automate this, by adding a context menu to open your page in IE (ieview).

        • #3306957

          Use IE ONLY when you have to

          by mrfxx ·

          In reply to Use IE when you have to…

          I have written to every site which doesn’t work properly with an alternative browser and tell them that while I may research product on that site, I will never shop on that site until it works with something other than IE – and point out that not only do many of us in the industry feel that way, even the Department of Homeland Security has recommended dumping IE as a browser because of the lack of security/ I have since gone back to a couple of the sites which which used to be “IE friendly” and which now work with other browsers. I have also made sure to let family & friends know that they have an alternative to IE – which is not only more secure, but faster, and several of them have switched as well, so I expect more complaint emails to fly.

      • #2720905

        The real issue

        by robmcalister ·

        In reply to Firefox Rocks….but

        Even though Firefox is great, you can’t deny the reality that the technology lock-ins posed by the Microsoft monopoly make it nearly impossible to use an alternate browser as your only tool.

        It’s a shame. I use Firefox and Camino almost exclusively, but there are times when I can’t because some sites just won’t work without IE5.x+. And some sites still won’t work on a Mac even with IE 5.23.

        Standards compliance makes a big difference and web site developers are starting to embrace that, but corporations that are engaged to Microsoft, are slow to modify their sites to accommodate others, marginalizing other browsers and platforms by stating that you must use Windows with IE.

        Oh well,
        Rob

      • #2720831

        80/20 rule

        by ezann ·

        In reply to Firefox Rocks….but

        I think it’s the ol’ 80/20 rule in action. From a business perspective, do I want to expend 1x effort to reach 80% of my audience or 2x effort to get that last 20%. Unfortunately alternative browsers are in that last 20%. In these times of chronically over-budget, past due IT projects it may not be so much a developer decision as a business decision.

        Plus, it seems a bit Orwellian to me that the browser that commands 80+% of the market is the “non-standard” browser vs. the “standard compliant” browsers which relatively few people use.

        • #2708001

          Standard Compliant?

          by perry.keller ·

          In reply to 80/20 rule

          I don’t find that Firefox and Netscape are very compliant as far as CSS goes and have given up trying to develop anything that works for these browsers. It is the 80/20 rule and it just isn’t worth the time trying to write pages that comply to all of these obscure browsers out there.
          As a simple example, if you try to format three columns within a contining div Mozilla browsers don’t seem to know how to add. The sum of the widths (even accounting for borders)will usually overflow the contining block even though logically they shouldn’t. Add to this that if you include internal padding these browsers add it to the width and height of the block so it is nearly impossible to dynamically adjust the block elements properly. I give up!

        • #3305287

          Yes Standards Compliant.

          by lsw ·

          In reply to Standard Compliant?

          All the Mozilla browsers are the best with standards. That has been proven among many of the best CSS forums on the net. It is IE with its Box Model problems that cause the trouble and do not correctly add up margins and the like.

          FF supports CSS2 to something like 92% compared to IE’s 71%.

          Sounds to me like you are suffering under the usualy misconception that FF & Co. break sites. Fact is FF shows you what you wrote and what you wrote wrong while IE shows you what you want to see. Mozilla browsers tell you you goofed up while IE hides it from you.

          That is why all my CSS sites are built for FF, then I add the hacks to make it look good in IE. One day when IE finally supports standards all I need do is remove the hacks and all standards compiant browsers will show it correctly as always and the new standards IE will as well. Till then we have to play games to make IE happy.

          LSW

      • #2720824

        IE plugin

        by zkent ·

        In reply to Firefox Rocks….but

        There is a (tiny) plugin for FireFox called IEView. (http://ieview.mozdev.org) It puts “View this page in IE” in the right-click popup menu. I use MSDN a lot and the code samples don’t render correctly in FF due to a CSS problem I think. I was getting tired of cutting and pasting the URL into IE so this plug in saves me much time.

        I have enjoyed FF overall and there are not many sites that I have to open in IE.

      • #2720784

        Firefox Rox But? But is right.

        by jdkarns ·

        In reply to Firefox Rocks….but

        All we need is another browser to cater to. How can a company update 100 websites under its belt every time a browser or the W3.org decides to make wild changes. What I like to do is rely on graphics and clean simplicity. I don’t make websites with all the latest crazy CSS, Applets, bells and whistles. All the Bels and Whistles only leave a terrible ringing in my ears.

        • #3305286

          Say what?

          by lsw ·

          In reply to Firefox Rox But? But is right.

          “How can a company update 100 websites under its belt every time a browser or the W3.org decides to make wild changes.”

          W3C changes improve our ability to work. There are many technologies that would allow a company to change 100 web sites. At least if those web sites are designed per standards….. if not, that is their own problem.

          “I don’t make websites with all the latest crazy CSS, Applets, bells and whistles”

          What Crazy CSS, it like any other language improves with time. CSS 3 will improve CSS as 2 did over 1. I assume you do not build web sites with HTML 3.2….. you likely use HTML 4 or XHTML 1, why? Cause they are standards and improvements? Then why is a improved CSS any different.

          CSS makes site maintenance easier and improves accessibility for the disabled, or do you still design with a table based layout? I will agree with Applets tho or any other toys that are not accessible.

          Any professional company should be designing for standards, not a browser. It is not about catering to FF, it is about designing to standards which FF happens to support and M$ fails not to with IE. Catering to IE is the problem and as long as we do M$ will not change anything.

          LSW

    • #2706794

      firefox

      by anton.van.wamelen ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      if I could get rid of my old browser (IE6) THEN I would gladly switch over to it, but as for now while in Windows all is entangled (is the word), there is no way that I will switch over…

      sorry, MS is to blame…

    • #2707438

      Secure Browsing

      by rrvillan ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      If what you want is a browser that not only works perfectly, without blowing up on every little thing but also is one of the most secure by all means give Firefox a try. I used to swear by IE, not any more, the tabbed browsing is a godsend. Firefox got right what IE, even with SP2 still can’t.

    • #2707390

      love firesomething, but i have a problem with 1.0PR

      by michael ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      When I installed 1.0PR I could no longer log into my companies corporate backend. It never let me set the cookies right. I messed with every setting I could. So then I went back to 0.9.3 but problem then forced me back to firefox 0.8 – my old stand by. But for some reason my scrollbars were gone and so were my back and forward buttons. This wasn’t a problem because I could use the keyboard for scrolling and alt- right arrow or left arrow as back and forth. But then I found I couldn’t scroll in a z-index’ed div so I went back to an even older version: Firebird 0.7. and I’m using it now simply because I can’t stand to use IE, I need my tabs, I need my w3c correct rendering, I need the Javscript Console, and I love my edit css extension. Fire anything rules!

      • #2707352

        Uninstall All First

        by seanmcoleman ·

        In reply to love firesomething, but i have a problem with 1.0PR

        Make sure to un-install all previous builds of Firefox (make sure the installation directory- /program files/mozilla firefox is deleted) and then install the PR1 version. This should help some.

    • #2707357

      Awesome

      by obsidianspider ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Definitely an improvement over IE. The only drawback I have found has nothing to do with the browser, but with some web developers that have created “IE Only” pages that either boot you out if you arent using IE, or dont bother to create pages to w3c standards. I have been using Firefox since it was Firebird 0.7 and I would reccommend it to anyone.

      • #2720807

        User Agent Switcher

        by zkent ·

        In reply to Awesome

        There is also a user agent switcher plugin (https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59&vid=617) so you can set FF to impersonate another browser make and version. I realize this defeats the purpose of user agents and could open up philosophical discussions but it can get past the occasional web site lock-out.

    • #2707321

      Love It

      by ramhog69 ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      So far I like it very much. I haven’t had a chance to fully discover it’s potential, but so far I think it is really good. Thanks for posting it.

      Kalvin

    • #2707209

      Tension free

      by shaktq ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Saved me from all the Spyware hectic that is soooo common with IE.

    • #2715576

      It won’t work

      by jonchris58 ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Hope I’m one of the unlucky few. Installer wouldn’t work properly. Run as a custom istall it wouldn’t accept any change. Then the program itself wouldnt run after startup. Got a blamk screen and no response to mouse clicks. 9.0, 9.1 and 9.3 worked well with very few gotchas.

      This is progress?

      Jon

      • #2705444

        In Fact, There IS An Alternative

        by the-jetman ·

        In reply to It won’t work

        D/L the .ZIP file from ftp://64.12.168.21/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ (this is one of their approved US mirrors in VA) and manually unzip the archive into your desired installation folder. Then, run Firefox.EXE directly. There are instructions in the archive, but I think this is the extent of them. Try and fix a busted IE 6.0 install that easily. HA !

    • #2715561

      It doesn’t work

      by spatstriptiphan ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      If it can’t display http://www.hotsheet.com correctly ( all the links are not displayed) then why use it? What also is not being displayed on other web pages that I might need to see?

      VR,
      John

      • #2714907

        it doesn’t work?!

        by dada_lala ·

        In reply to It doesn’t work

        eehm… i had no problem with hotsheet.com in firefox 0.9.1. all links on site are displayed.

        …and i think it’s very strange that of the browser gets blamed for the lack of knowledge of some website-developers …very very strange. *ggg*

      • #2720799

        works for me in PR 1.0

        by zkent ·

        In reply to It doesn’t work

        What doesn’t work? I opened it in FF 1.0PR and IE 6 and it looks and acts the same for me.

    • #2715539

      Let the good times roll…

      by trevor ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I’ve always been a bit of skeptic when it comes to introducing yet another browser into the mix. As many long-term web surfers know, we have seen our fair share of spin-offs, knock-offs, and re-skinned browsers. From those that claim to be lighetining fast, to bloatwear that is loaded with more features than even the most geeky geek would know what to do with. Embracing a new technology, like a browser is not a simple walk in the park. It takes time to learn the ins and outs with each application. Double that if there is a mail and/or newsreader added to the mix. I’m sure you get the point. Enter stage right, Mozilla’s Firefox. With a seasoned development team guiding the way, Firefox is all that and a basket of cookies. Advanced customization features allow you to change minor elements, like the interface skin, to more advanced features like tool bar customization. For a web developer, Firefox is hard to beat. By enabling “Clear Cache” and “CookieCuller”, we are able to check our work, knowing it is the very latest of uploads. For Linux/Windows users, the familiar download manager is a sigh of relief. All in all, Firefox takes the full 5-stars. With more settings than I care to mention here , though all very important, Firefox is a contender that is here to stay. Firefox *IS* my default browser, though I keep the others installed for compatability testing. Did I forget to mention tabs and background page loading? 🙂

    • #2714835

      firefox = great browser

      by adam ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I can sum it up in 2 words – “Tabbed Browsing”. Its a great feature of Netscape and Safari too. Firefox makes a great replacement for Internet Explorer on the windows platform, its more standards compliant and it has tabbed browsing!

    • #2720963

      Firefox all the way

      by jojo-1 ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I now develop my code for Firefox. When it works in Firefox, I then make sure it works in IE. Standards-compliant browsers are definitely the way to go but it’s going to take a long time for the rest of the world to catch up.

      I love the tabbed browing in Firefox – couldn’t do without it. There’s also so many fantastic extensions, such as drag and drop a url onto empty space to open it in a new tab, and the web developer toolbar. IE isn’t so customisable, and I miss many of the extensions and features of Firefox when using IE.

      I used to swear by Opera, but now I swear by Firefox…and I just swear at IE 😉

    • #2720778

      IE is the standard

      by kcollins ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Face it people. Any product that has a 94% market share IS the standard. No matter what the w3c recommends.

      • #2715051

        Doesn’t make it right

        by andrew t. fry ·

        In reply to IE is the standard

        Who gives a damn if it’s got a huge fricking market share, it doesn’t work properly. There’s no excuse for that in an open environment like the Web. Microsoft needs to take a page from their Macintosh departments book and start supporting the standards as they’re written.

      • #2705698

        Internet is for EVERYBODY

        by david hamilton ·

        In reply to IE is the standard

        The whole point of the Internet is that it was designed to connect EVERYBODY to EVERYBODY ELSE. So 94% just doesn’t come close to that requirement.

        By everybody, I’m talking about absolutely everybody, including the disabled. So, just as offices and houses built nowadays have to support disabled access, so web sites have to support screen readers for the blind (and that is actually a legal requirement in the UK).

        If your web site doesn’t work with non-IE platforms/browsers, there is very little chance of it working with screen readers. That’s one of the main reasons for using web standards – they have been designed with accessability in mind.

        So just to design for one group of users is not just selfish beyond belief, it is probably illegal on many countries.

        /david

      • #2705427

        What About The Non-WXP World ?

        by the-jetman ·

        In reply to IE is the standard

        MSOFT has just declared that there will be no more security updates to IE on their earlier (< WXP) platforms. Combined w/ previous announcements that there will be no more updates to the stand-alone IE, what are the alternatives for those who don't want to or can't update their OS simply for IE improvements ? All of this is tied to MSOFT's completely discredited proposal that the web browser is and/or must be an integral part of the OS.

      • #2707941

        by rick ·

        In reply to IE is the standard

        Wow…You’re an idiot.

        • #2701973

          Try to be constructive in your criticism

          by kcollins ·

          In reply to

          I expected to incite some anger with my comments about IE being the standard. But at least the other replies had something constructive to say, even if they weren’t always exactly correct.

          But calling me an idiot doesn’t add anything beneficial to the discussion. Besides, I am not in fact an idiot, I am simply being realistic.

          I still stand by my original comment. The reason that so many websites are written for IE is exactly the same reason that so many desktop applications are written for the Windows platform. Because that is the platform that the VAST MAJORITY of users are running. Windows is the de facto standard for the desktop and IE is the de facto standard for the Internet. Like it or not, those are the facts. And if you are unwilling to face the facts, then you sir are the idiot.

        • #2722493

          I agree

          by ibfreddy ·

          In reply to Try to be constructive in your criticism

          OK, before you all get on me, I’m a Firefox user and it’s my default browser on all my computers…

          While almost everyone here agrees with how great a browser Firefox is, it still doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the world uses IE and most likely is not even aware of the Firefox browser. To say that doesn’t matter is a bit ideological if not blind. At the end of the day, it’s not what’s better, it’s what is used.

          As a developer, to ignore that and use the excuse that IE is a bad browser that renders CSS incorrectly just flat out won’t fly. Firefox is a great browser and I’ll continue to use it, but I really see Firefox’s legacy as helping push browsers to be standards-compliant and to put another notch in the open-source movement. I DO NOT see it ever taking over IE in the browser wars however (of course, I could be wrong and I certainly hope so). I think KCollins is just stating the truth and we all need to temper our feelings with that.

        • #2706568

          OK, but…

          by david hamilton ·

          In reply to I agree

          If you use the right DOCTYPE on your site, IE will render standards pages with CSS with few issues, as long as you avoid some of the latest CSS developments. So…

          a) There is no real excuse for writing pages that don’t use W3C standards. Look at http://www.phoenity.com/firefox.html for a page with a really cool effect (watch the logo as you scroll down!) that works in both browsers.

          b) If you want a better web experience, persuade Microsoft to improve IE to extend CSS support, as designers cannot use the latest features until Microsoft support them (or users abandon IE in frustration. But how would users know what they’re missing, most of them look blank when you talk about tabbed browsing!).

          As an aside – that seems to be the reason that so many people believe that Microsoft ‘innovate’ – they only get to see new technologies when Microsoft add them to Windows. But since the users never look to anyone apart from Microsoft to provide new features or products, they are in a loop of self-fulfilling expectations that is very difficult for any other copany to break into.

          /david

        • #2705927

          I see your point, however…

          by ibfreddy ·

          In reply to OK, but…

          OK, I always develop for PC/Mac – IE/Moz/Saf when working on a web project. I always try to keep the site as standards-compliant as possible. IE is relatively compliant, however, the two still render out code differently if you’re not careful. I know about the DOCTYPE thing, but there are still differences.

          I am pro standards. I am pro accessibility. However, I am also pro reality and that’s all I was bringing up. Frankly, I dispise MS, but that doesn’t change the fact that IE is the default browser and we can’t ignore that.

          Honestly though, I think we’re on the same side here.

        • #2706615

          You’re still missing the point

          by david hamilton ·

          In reply to Try to be constructive in your criticism

          Choosing to write web applications for one platform is not equivalent to choosing to write desktop applications for two reasons:

          Firstly, you’re ignoring the history of the Internet (the whole reason it existing, if you like). It is designed for allowing everyone to interconnect. That is why the standards were created – so that anyone with software that complies with the standard will work. That is why the Internet has been so successful so quickly (it would have happened regardless of whether Microsoft had created IE or not).

          So, to hijack the work that everyone has done for the last 30 years for the benefit of one particular group (purely because you apparently cannot be bothered to learn how to write a website properly), is either selfish or stupid. So, on that first count, yes, you are an idiot – don’t use tools unless you know how they are supposed to work

          (As an aside, because the web development/debug support that IE has is so much poorer than Firefox, you’re making life much harder for yourself too.)

          Secondly, you’re failing yourself as a consumer. The only thing that keeps innovation and progress going is competition. Writing a website that only works with IE denies browser competition, and so ensures that little or no progress will be made by IE. So, it is your fault that IE has almost no development over the last few years!

          Given that IE already fails to follow Internet standards when talking to Microsoft’s IIS server, it seems very likely that the version of IE built into Longhorn will have a raft of extra consumer features (probably integration of existing products into IE) that use proprietary protocol that ONLY WORK with IIS! If that does happen then your choice as a consumer will be reduced yet again!

          So, on balance, I have to agree with the guy who called you an idiot – you are not only working to undo 30 years of work on the Internet, you are working to reduce your own choice as a consumer, and deny that choice to other people.

          /david

        • #2721529

          What defines “properly”?

          by kcollins ·

          In reply to You’re still missing the point

          You state that the reason the Internet exists is to let everyone interconnect. This is a nice idea, and true in theory, however…

          The practical truth is that most companies see the Internet as a marketing channel. So, from the perspective of any website that ends in a .com, the reason the Internet exists is to SELL PRODUCT.

          It’s great that you know how to write a website “properly”. Good for you. But if you are developing a website for a .com that doesn’t work in IE, then you are not writing that website properly. If 94% of the population can’t view it, it’s not going to move much product.

          This applicability of this principle is not limited to .coms either. If you are developing a website for a not-for-profit that is distributing valuable health information, but write it in such a manner that 94% of the people will never see it, then you are writing it improperly.

          For example, if someone discovered a cure for cancer and wanted to share that information freely to the public, would it be “proper” to intentionally exclude 94% of the population just because their choice of browser is not 100% standards compliant? (I realize this is an extreme example, but I think it makes my point.)

          Finally, let me make it clear that I am not advocating abandoning w3c standards in favor of IE. I am simply pointing out that if you want to reach the maximum audience possible with your website, then you have to design it to work in IE. If it doesn’t, then you are wasting your time and your client’s money because the VAST MAJORITY of the population will never see it.

        • #2706243

          Dodgy Builders

          by david hamilton ·

          In reply to What defines “properly”?

          In that case it seems that we’re arguing across each other. When I was arguing for sites aiming to reach 100% of their audience, I assumed that it was implicit that that included the 94% for IE!

          By the way, be careful with those stats. I’ve looked that these quite a lot, and they vary RADICALLY from site to site – the technology news sites report that about 20% are using Firefox. Also it seems that technology mavens (influencers) are even more likely not to use IE.

          I certainly was not arguing for excluding IE, I was just arguing against playing the percentage game. Which is when the ‘Dodgy Builders’ bit comes
          in…

          The other day, I was talking to a friend who is in the house building trade, and he told me that once a builder has got 75% of his money, he has covered his costs for the work, the rest is purely profit. Which means that from a purely financial point of view, they can afford to walk away from that irritating 25% of the work that involves correcting problems and generally getting it right.

          Of course, from the point of view of the client, someone who walks away from a job leaving a host of issues because ‘the main percentage is done’ is unprofessional. But the dodgy builder doesn’t care – he has his money and he’s out of there – he’s playing the percentage game.

          So whereas writing specifically for IE is playing the percentage game, writing to web standards isn’t. Get your DOCTYPE right and the only extra effort is testing against several browsers. Using CSS means that once you get it right for one page, the rest of the site will be a snip.

          /david

          PS: I note that in some cross-browser articles in builder.com, they don’t state whether author is working with the browsers in ‘quirks mode’ or ‘standards mode’. The lack of this information makes the article useless in many cases. Please include the DOCTYPE used in the article, otherwise the site might have to be renamed dodgybuilder.com!!

      • #3305282

        says Who? What Market?

        by lsw ·

        In reply to IE is the standard

        IE has dropped to something like 82% of the Market, FireFox/Mozilla has gone up to 12% and growing fast.

        FireFox and Safari are the most used browsers under Mac, IE quite after IE5, Firefox is also one of the if not the top browser under Linux now. So in complete Browser use IE has far less than 80% of the whole world market.

        This is just the typical line that only IE comes in question in a Windows world while the increasing market shares of other OS’s are ignored. M$ is in fora rude awakening one day.

    • #2705602

      Test of Firefox 1.0 Beta, Opera 7.55 & IE 6.0

      by hanekhw ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I ran some simple tests of how each broswer handled a particularily nasty site, with no outside firewall software installed to keep things fair. The site I know from experience tries to install several pieces of malware and tracking software (no it’s not an XXX site). IE 6.0 with all the latest patches failed miserably; everything got through.

      Opera partially suceeded (I blocked spawning and pop-ups which helped some).

      Firefox blocked all the malware.

      That convinced me. I installed Firefox on all our PCs as the default browser. I still have to keep IE 6.0 to handle the upgrades and patches because MS blocks out all other browsers from the Windows Updates site. I wrote out a simple batch file to execute when I get an advisory from the Security Bulletins service.

      • #2722491

        Hilarious!

        by ibfreddy ·

        In reply to Test of Firefox 1.0 Beta, Opera 7.55 & IE 6.0

        Doesn’t surprise me at all. 🙂

        The other interesting thing in the future is to see how each browser adapts to future threats. Open source is always going to be able to change much more quickly and if the whole spyware problem becomes even more a serious problem, we could see a whole lot more people moving towards Firefox.

    • #2705448

      A great browser

      by ibfreddy ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I must say I was quite skeptical of how successful this project be when I first fell upon it in 2000. I have to say that Mozilla/Firefox is the positioning itself to stand against the big boy. MS has all but stopped working on IE and with the new hot trend in web dev being accessibility/CSS-driven front ends, more and more people working on the web (both designer & programmer) are coming to love this browser. It’s my default browser on my Mac and my PC.

      Hopefully the general public will eventually be convinced as well… The only thing I can say about this is the general public is SLOWLY becoming more tech-savvy and while IE fails to have features that meet current needs (anti-pop-ups, anti-spyware, accessing RSS feeds, etc), people will look elsewhere.

    • #2721269

      firefox

      by rdworshak ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Don’t need IE anymore. I think that some behaviors come from IE options, specifically the connections tab. Can we ever be completely free?

    • #2702298

      Slow On Java sites

      by fivemics ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I use my web cam and I also visit other web cam sites. It seems slow to activate the script and refresh the pictures. Opera is faster and oddly so is IE. It looks good and moves easily between pages.

    • #2702212

      Firefox

      by ed391 ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I am one who loves to try out new stuff even Web Browsers and i want to say that when i tried Firefox i was amazed how easy it was to change from IE and i for one am glad to replace that trouble maker so thanks Mozilla you did great . Ed Vermont

    • #2702087

      New Standardbrowser

      by norgan.han ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      for me. I have used
      IE, Opera, Mozilla and Phoenix. And all in terms of stability, speed and features say FireFox for me 🙂

      Nice little gadget, my compliments.

      • #2724208

        Why no mention of SlimBrowser?

        by peterowe ·

        In reply to New Standardbrowser

        Firefox, Opera, IE, …. I’ve been using SlimBrowser ( http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/ ) for quite awhile and I see no Firefox features nor increased stability that would compel me to switch. Why do here and other discussion areas ignore/snub SlimBrowser??

        • #2724149

          Because…

          by ibfreddy ·

          In reply to Why no mention of SlimBrowser?

          Well, from the little I know about it, SlimBrowser is an IE-based browser, it’s not GNU licensed and it’s most likely not even on the charts for percentage of users.

          It’s like having a Windows/Linux debate and asking why Debian wasn’t brought up.

          At least, in my opinion. 🙂

        • #2724035

          IE-based ?

          by peterowe ·

          In reply to Because…

          IE-based means it uses MS code? I understand Office (developer version) VBA code that can be “compiled” into a stand-alone app using, e.g. the Excel engine. Is that what you mean by IE-based? That implies that SlimBrowser inherits IE problems?? Aaargh.

        • #2705940

          Reply To: Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

          by ibfreddy ·

          In reply to IE-based ?

          I’m no expert, but from what I read, it’s a tricked-out version of IE. The foundation is IE with changes to the facade. Please correct me if I am wrong.

        • #3305277

          Yes, it is a IE clone.

          by lsw ·

          In reply to IE-based ?

          It is based on the IE engine, never notice how your Internet options are the same as IE?

          Slimbrowser is more secure then IE and has more bells and Whistles, but it is still at heart a IE clone and has the built in IE mistakes and failures like CSS2 support. I use it to test my sites rather than IE itself and the results are the same.

          Same for Avant, Enigma, CrazyBrowser…..

    • #2723959

      No Active-x plug-in available yet

      by sim ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Overall it’s a great browser. However, certain sites that require Active-x support can’t be displayed. Some works still to be done. Cheers, Mozilla team! Do keep up the good work.

      Regards,
      Sim.

      • #2721724

        ActiveX Is Insecure

        by dgarvich ·

        In reply to No Active-x plug-in available yet

        From my understanding ActiveX was introduced by Microsoft as a technology to use the browser to get at the underlying OS and as such is a huge security risk.

    • #2706609

      Firefox and thunderbird are go

      by john ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      downloaded and installed these products on to four of our test machines. Easily transferred settings from Opera, Netscape and IE. Has no faults so far. Outperforms Opera for speed and incompatability problems, Netscape for incompatibility problems and IE for speed.

      Looking to install these onto main machines as default browsers this week.

      A truly great product.

    • #2705951

      I don’t support IE only sites

      by jayfang ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I’ve used Firefox for a while, and also Opera before.
      In very few cases will I load IE to access an IE only site. More often I’ll just leave and ignore that site.

      I’ve occasionally written to the Web site provider informing them of the problem.

      Good news is that the trend seems to be better cross browser support and less IE dependance.

      If *we* (the web users) show a clear user demand the biz mandarins will follow.

    • #2722123

      So far, so good!

      by ed woychowsky ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Haven?t yet played with FireFox?s DOM or check out the XML support, but I do like what I see. The browser is fast and clean.

    • #2722059

      I’m loving it.

      by joeyridge ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Opera was great due to it’s multitabbed browsing and mouse gestures. IE was fast on load times. Firefox gives you tabbed browsing, very fast load times, and if you love the mouse gestures enough you can download an extension.

      I’ve just found my new favorite browser.

    • #2706284

      FireFox

      by ebrown1927 ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      I have made FireFox my browser of choice, only occasionally I find some sites are made so that you must use IE — for instance microsoft download and other microsoft pages. It works for 95% of my web browsing. I like it. It has so many features and compared to several other browsers it is mean and lean. Good work and hats off to Mozilla.
      Ed

    • #3305480

      Almost as good as Opera

      by msft_tinkering ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      But not quite.

      Write your HTML to the W3c spec, test on Opera and Geko (Firefox/Mozilla), then just make sure IE doesn’t kill it too badly.

      I don’t encourage anyone to use IE anymore. Patching the browser AND the OS (beause that’s what you’re doing) can lead to unexpected results. If Opera or the Gecko Browsers have an issue, they can be patched without introducing potential problems on the OS level.

    • #3305275

      FireFox to replace Mozilla

      by lsw ·

      In reply to Mozilla Firefox 1.0 Preview Release

      Just a note, if you visit the Firefox FAQ’s you will read that Firefox when finall will replace Mozilla in the future.

      Mozilla forces you to deal with all sorts of extra junk.E-mail, Chat….

      With FireFox Mozilla is going Moduler. Firefox is the browser with whatever extensions you use. If you want e-mail then download Thunderbird, etc etc etc….

      I think this is a good idea, Mozilla was to slow with all the extra weight.

      Long Live Firefox.

      • #3306609

        Thunderbird

        by jomoweb ·

        In reply to FireFox to replace Mozilla

        Firefox has found it’s way to my default browser. It reminds me of when Netscape was good, and not some overdone AOL hunk o’ jizz.

        I would like to know more about Thunderbird– does it have the features to replace Outlook (mainly, how does it inteface with an exchange server)?

        IE still has my respect for two reasons:
        1. Has the market share
        2. Renders

          ‘s with a round bullet. I hate that stupid diamond bullet, and have to CSS to make it go away.
        • #3305878

          See PC mag

          by don.goodenow9 ·

          In reply to Thunderbird

          The October issue of PC Magazine does a comparison of Thunderbird to Outlook Express. They rate Thunderbird as the better of the two.

        • #3307387

          On thing it seems to be lacking

          by richard.desmond ·

          In reply to See PC mag

          I just reviewed Thuderbird for a client. As a standard email client it is OK and will work with exchange, however it is lacking collaboration tools in an enterprise environment and the message handling rules are very weak compared to Outlook 2003.

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