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    MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

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    by Bill Detwiler ·

    A federal judge on Friday sentenced Jeffrey Lee Parson, a 19-year-old Minnesota man, to 18 months in prison for releasing the MSBlast.B worm. Parson will serve his time in a minimum security facility and is required to perform 10 months of community service.

    Read the whole story:
    http://www.virusthreatcenter.com/article.aspx?articleId=362

    Do you think Parson’s sentence is too severe, too lenient, or just right?

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    • #3342834

      18 months PLUS

      by maxwell edison ·

      In reply to MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

      .
      He has to pay restitution. Quite frankly, I’m not sure how total restitution can be paid to all the single users or small offices out there. Microsoft, for example, said to have suffered about 1 million in damages on this particular threat. It’s easy for MS to seek restitution, but for a home user or small office, if anything, the lawyers would get the “restitution” as a result of a class action suit.

      Personally, I think the punishment should fit the crime. I think the entire prison time and community service time should be spent fixing infected computers, whether he caused that particular infection or not. And if some schmuck is sued for millions of dollars in civil court, if he doesn’t have the millions, people will never collect.

      If I were Judge, Jury, and Executioner, here’s what I’d do for such offenders:

      1. Initial fine equal to an amount that would make the guy so broke that he couldn’t pay attention.

      2. Jail sentence — and the 18 months sounds reasonable, maybe a bit more.

      3. Estimate the number of computers effected, and in this case, I think I read that it was 48,000, and make him “fix” 48,000 computers, whether he caused that particular infection or not. After his prison term, make him work at a FREE “repair center” for 20 hours a week for the rest of his life until he fixed 48,000 computers.

      Let’s see, if he could fix 1 computer an hour, or 20 a week, for 2400 weeks, over 50 weeks a year (Hey, we can give him 2 weeks vacation), then he’d pretty much have a non-paying part-time job for the next 48 years. And if they run out of computers, make him change the oil in someone’s car.

      Sounds about right to me.

    • #3342818

      18 months in prison

      by ray3d841 ·

      In reply to MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

      It is my opinion that 18 months does not fit the crime. As a system administrator, I have seen the wasted man-hours by IT departments. Certainly 18 months does not come even close to the amount of money lost by companies.

      ray3d84

    • #3342816

      Should be FIVE YEARS

      by aaron a baker ·

      In reply to MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

      The Minimum sentence this vermin should be should be five years minimum. This community Service nonsense should be dumped and the first few years of thier salaries when they get a job upon release should have to pay for some fo the damage they did.
      The Damage these people cause ranges into the Millions of dollars and one heck of a lot of work on a lot of people’s parts to undo and/or prevent furhter damage. Ths is what should be addresed in these sentences, 18 Months hardly seems adequate and community service is a joke. They should be penalized to working for nothing for the firm that they have damaged the most upon release, this at least would be fair.
      So far, the law has been pathetic at stopping or even slowing down the onslaught of this vermin and ridiculous sentences like the aforementioned only add fuel to the fire. They certainly DO NOT Rehabilitate or teach them anythign other than comtempt for those who refuse to recognize thier “Greatness”, if that’s what you can call it.I have a few other dozen names for them but out of a deep respect for the August company in which I keep as a member of Tech Republic, I shall refrain from doing so.
      I close in saying this sentence at best,farcial and a perfect example of why it still goes on and will continue to do so until we become far more serious about the severity of the crime invloved. Trust me, it’s severe, it’s just that Judges and the legal system aren’t fully aware of it yet or just How Dangerous it really is. But the law however slowly, is opening it’s eyes and when it finally sees the damage and cost for what it’s worth,look out vermin.
      Thank your attention
      Aaron A baker
      Ottawa Ontario
      Canada

    • #3342807

      18 Months Could be Enough

      by wnix ·

      In reply to MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

      Eighteen months could be long enough provided he met with a different committee of IT professionals each day, alone, in a sound proof room. I believe that he could come to understand the weight of his crime and fully repent in that time. Finding volunteers to counsel him would not be a problem.

    • #3342800

      Too severe

      by mrafrohead ·

      In reply to MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

      If they want to get that bad on disciplining him for signing the virus, which if I recall properly, that’s all he really did.

      And that gets you ten years, then those that were dipshits and didn’t patch their boxes should get 18 months with him for negligence.

      That virus should have NEVER taken hold. It was broadcast in the news that the hole was open. But no one wanted to update. It was THEIR OWN FAULT when they got infected.

      Ignorant/lazy people that allow themselves to be infected like that, should have their net priveleges REVOKED!

      We weren’t talking about some 0-day, this was a well publicized hole and a patch was available.

      • #3342778

        duhhh!

        by husp1 ·

        In reply to Too severe

        what about the home users that don’t have access to the info that most techs do? from your statement the infection would be their fault. most end users dont receive vulneability notices and therefore are the reason that this type of infection grows. My opion is that he should have gotten a much larger sentence and a fine equal to the damage caused. perhaps you should widen your scope a bit and look at the big picture.

        • #3342757

          It was their fault.

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to duhhh!

          They played that crap out till it was old news in the media. You would have had to have been deaf and blind to not know it was coming.

          And I believe that if you are going to put your computer on the internet, you should be responsible enough to take care of it. If you aren’t, or you can’t, then you shouldn’t.

          It’s no different than wearing a condom, getting a drivers license, etc…

          Safe surfing!

          I think instead of blaming this guy for writing a virus that caused so many problems that COULD have been prevented, maybe you should look at those who got it. They were given plenty of notice, again, this was not a 0-day. There were weeks of notice released, and stupid users instead of acting on it, ignored it. It was THEIR own fault.

          Had they patched, the little piece of code that caused those problems, would have been insignificant and done nothing at all. We wouldn’t even be sitting here talking about it.

          Mrafrohead

        • #3343528

          YOU are wrong, and here is why

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to It was their fault.

          I SHOULDN’T HAVE to spend a lot of time patching just because some assclown thinks he has a right to write a virus?

          If you do something that causes a lot of damage, YOU are responsible for ALL the damage.

          If you leave a fire unattended and start a major forest fire, ALL damgage is your fault.

          ALL DAMAGE.

        • #3343335

          You’re silly…

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to YOU are wrong, and here is why

          Think of this, if you didn’t buy broken software to begin with, and didn’t allow people to sell broken software by supporting it, then there wouldn’t be a problem, now would there!

          So, now you bought your shitty software that was broken so this assclown (who didn’t WRITE that virus) can alter it and continue it on it’s way. Now that virus is flowing around the internet, infecting shitty OS software that had the vulnerability on completely incompetant peoples machines because they were too stupid, too lazy and not responsible enough to put a machine on the internet that wasn’t patched and didn’t want to patch.

          So, hrmmm, now why exactly is stricly the writers fault???

          Exactly..

          Now from your own words:
          “If you leave a fire unattended and start a major forest fire, ALL damgage is your fault.”

          Not patching your box is leaving that fire unattended. So now who’s fault is it?

          Mrafrohead

        • #3341791

          Have you changed the locks on your front door today?

          by liame ·

          In reply to You’re silly…

          Have you changed the locks on your front door today Mrafrohead? Last week? Last month? Last year?

          No?

          I’m sure you’ve seen the adverts for new locks, but you chose to ignore them. I’m sure you’ve passed the hardware store dozens of times since the last time you thought of changing those locks.

          Its your fault when your house gets broken into then by your reasoning. Hell, we might as well throw in culpability for the death caused by the reprobate that broke into your house when he was high on drugs that the robery of your house funded. All your fault dont you see?

          Well, no.

          In society we are responsible for our actions and only responsible for our innaction when they ammount to negligence.

          Not watching TV is not negligence.
          Not switching on your PC for a few weeks is not negligence.
          Deciding to play a game instead of spending an hour letting your PC catch up with security patches is not negligence.
          Letting your less then media and tech savvy children/friends/family use your PC is not negligence.

          See where this is going?

          Not everyone is a techy. Get over yourself.

        • #3341765

          Yeah

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Have you changed the locks on your front door today?

          What LiamE said.

          You don’t have to sell me on how poorly M$ does the coding.

          You don’t have to sell me on the importance of patching.

          You don’t have to sell me on linux and open source.

          You DO have to sell me that it is the person who doesn’t patch is responsible because someone else wrote a virus to go out and attack someone else’s private property.

          If I don’t lock up my house when I run up to 7 eleven for a slurpy, that does not give you the right to come in and take what you want.

          You really need to grow up on some of these issues.

          People have a RIGHT to write any program they wish. But if that program does damage to ANYONE for ANY reason then the writer of that programmer is up $hit creek.

          If wasn’t for the assclowns running around, I shouldn’t HAVE to pay money for anti-virus/spyware/firewalls. I shouldn’t HAVE to have security at the front door, and guard dogs at the back. If I don’t have the guard and you break in, I am responsible? That is just not a creditable statement dude.

        • #3341593

          Responsibility.

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Have you changed the locks on your front door today?

          In your opinion it’s not negligence, but in mine it is.

          During those months that Blaster came out, it was ALL over the news. You had to live in a cave with no power to not know it was coming.

          Choosing to not upgrade to fix the whole that was a Critical Update, IMO is negligence. Plain and simple.

          There were THREEE weeks to do it.

          If you can’t take that amount of time to do an upgrade, when you know there is imminent danger of an attack, you are negligent.

          Plain and simple.

          Another thing is, a lot of people don’t read the paper or watch the news, but they’ll know at least one person that does, and they would have heard about it somehow.

          “Get over yourself.”

          I don’t understand what you mean.

        • #3341586

          @jdclyde – sales pitch

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Have you changed the locks on your front door today?

          “You DO have to sell me that it is the person who doesn’t patch is responsible because someone else wrote a virus to go out and attack someone else’s private property.”

          They are responsible, and here’s why.

          When they bought their computer with a piece of software that they knew was buggy and had problems, they knew there would be problems and they would have to patch. Windoze has always been this way.

          If they then went and decided to not patch because it wasn’t their problem, they were wrong.

          The person that wrote that code that caused those boxes to become infected really brought the problem out into the light and then forced people to take the measures that should have been taken in the beginning.

          Granted, it sucks getting infected. BUT it would have been prevented had they not been negligent in updating their systems that they knew had a problem. Windoze has always had holes, has always had problems. Microsoft will NEVER be able to write an OS that is completely clean, we ALL know this.

          In accepting to use the software, they knew that they would have to update. If they chose not to, who is to blame then?

          Think of it like this:

          When you buy a car, you know that you will have to change the oil in the car every 3 months/3,000 miles. If you do not, your engine more than likely will seize in time and you will void your warranty. Just because you shouldn’t have had to change the oil or were to busy to do it doesnt’ matter. You still should have. And because you didn’t you are responsible.

          Changing the oil and updating your Windoze is no different. You are servicing what you purchased and it is something that is necessary to do.

          ***

          As for the changing the locks on my door from a previous post by another person, I don’t need to change my locks, because I have a “Donk”.

          ***

        • #3343670

          MRAF, you give them too much credit

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Have you changed the locks on your front door today?

          Windows was written for people who didn’t have the mental abilities to remember difficult things like

          CD /123
          123

          Things were tough in the old days of DOS. It would take me at least 20 seconds of my life to type in those commands. I don’t have that kind of time.

          Windows is written so that people who are so mental they are barely sucking oxygen can still run their AOL accounts. They do NOT know about patching, or what the “quality” (kept a straight face) of the Micro$oft products.

          If more people knew more about computers, then MS would never have risen to the top. They make it simple and their isn’t a test given to be able to buy a computer. Grandma going into a department store to buy a computer from that same nice young man that sold them the toaster last week doesn’t understand that first, if the nice young man knew ANYTHING about computers he wouldn’t be working in a department store, and second that you CAN NOT buy a quality computer from a department store.

          Just not knowing anything does not make you negligent. Does not make it your fault that someone wrote a virus to attack you. True, you should always work to minimize your risks in everything you do. That did not excuse or take any blame of the viruse/trojan writers though.

          As long as you have your AOL “I have more money than brains” people using computers, there will be people who have unprotected computers.

          Be glad. If they knew about computers, why would you have a job?

          Bottom line, negligence on a users part does not license a codemonkey to be free of blame for writting malicious code.

        • #3341768

          Wrong!

          by jdmercha ·

          In reply to You’re silly…

          “If you leave a fire unattended and start a major forest fire, ALL damgage is your fault.”

          The correct analogies would be:
          If I started a fire that lead to a major forest fire, I would be responsible for all the damage.
          If somebody else started a fire by bruning a tree that I own. They are responsible for the ensuing forest fire. Not me.

        • #3341763

          And the difference is?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Wrong!

          The person setting the fire is to blame. End of story.

          The person NOT setting the fire is NOT to blame. End of next story.

          NO MATTER who owns the trees that were set on fire, the person setting the fire is to blame. On to the next story.

        • #3341583

          MS set that fire in the beginning.

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Wrong!

          By Microsoft releasing the code that they did, they started the fire (the buggy code). It just didn’t catch on until it got a little wind (the virus).

          Now the users could have used water (the patch) to prevent the fire, but they were too busy doing other things and they got burned (the virus).

          Does that help? (no sarcasm intended)

      • #3342760

        The Dreaded Automobile Virus

        by maxwell edison ·

        In reply to Too severe

        .
        I think someone should create an automobile virus that sneaks into your automobile and drains the gas tank, or wreaks havoc on the electrical system, or makes your rear wheels control your direction instead of the front wheels, or makes the air conditioner blast cold air in the winter and the heater blast hot air in the summer, or a myriad of other symptoms that renders your automobile absolutely useless. And if it causes automobile accidents all over the place, who cares?

        And hey, we should let these automobile virus writers run amok without any significant consequences. After all, if you just take your automobile out of commission for a while and pay somebody to take it all apart and put it back together to fix it, no big deal, right? But they don’t really have to pay somebody to do it. Anybody ought to be able to take their car apart and put it back together in no time at all. And if someone can’t do it themselves, heck, we can just call them ignorant or lazy.

        May the Bird of Paradise fly up your exhaust pipe.

        • #3342753

          Bug Guard.

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to The Dreaded Automobile Virus

          Just think, if a bug guard was all that it took to stop the bug from infecting your car, and the media told you THREE weeks in advance, that there was a terrible Automobile Virus coming. But this special bug guard would fix the problem in it’s entirety, and it’s completely free, then if you chose not to do it in those three weeks, who would be left to blame for it?

          The person who chose not to install the bug guard.

          Don’t get me wrong here, I think that virii suck too. I don’t care for them. I hate having to clean them off of peoples computers. I think that those that are caught with a 0-day infection and are the first to get it without knowing about it (hence the 0-day) are exempt from my comments, those are different. Blaster was a well known, it’s coming bug.

          BUT, at the same time, the users that get them get them all by themselves. They are asking for it when they do. They have not applied their patches, they are not running firewalls, they are not keeping their AV up to date. They are not practicing common sense on the internet.

          You know, I have been online for a very long time, many many years. You know how many virii I have caught? Take a wild guess…

          None that were not intentional. I got Code Red once, but that was because I was curious about how it would work.

          Do you know why I haven’t gotten one, because I pay attention and I follow all of the advice that those that are smarter than me have given me.

          A simple, free bug guard that is installed in 5 minutes or less… That’s all it would have taken.

          Mrafrohead

        • #3342742

          Your forgetting……

          by dafe2 ·

          In reply to Bug Guard.

          There are millions of people out there that don’t ‘care’. Although (we) do pay attention to trade rags & news about technology……there are literally millions of people that really only care that their PC turns on when they hit the switch. This probably includes businesses.

          In your scenario the innocent are blamed. Sort of like ‘she was raped for wearing a mini skirt and deserved it.’

          In any case, IMO he should have received at least 5 years + restitution as maxwell edisson suggested.

        • #3343334

          Not just the innocent.

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Your forgetting……

          My point is this. Everyone here is mad at the virus writer exclusively.

          It’s NOT just HIS fault!

          The dillholes that DID NOT patch are also to blame.

          Granted whoever wrote the code did start it, but those that did not patch knowingly because they didn’t care are aiding the writer. They give up their right to complain.

          And I can’t argue with your opinion, because you’re more than entitled to it 🙂

        • #3341767

          Sort of

          by jdmercha ·

          In reply to Not just the innocent.

          Yes, those who do not patch their machines are at fault for contributing to the spread of the virus. But that does not diminish the responsiblity of the virus creator.

        • #3341581

          true it doesn’t

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Sort of

          But it also doesn’t make the writer soley responsible either.

          The person who wrote that code IS NOT the only person at fault! IS NOT.

          You can place blame where blame is due. Yes the coder was partly to blame, but not soley. The negligence of the infected is also to blame.

        • #3342735

          ZERO TOLERANCE

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Bug Guard.

          .
          No more, no less.

        • #3343333

          PATCH THAT BOX!!!

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to ZERO TOLERANCE

          No more, no less…

        • #3342734

          I don’t want to buy A BUG GUARD

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Bug Guard.

          .
          ….to guard against BUGS that someone else throws at me. And to suggest that I should is absolutely crazy.

        • #3343332

          I said FREE

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to I don’t want to buy A BUG GUARD

          And no one is throwing bugs at you when you drive down the road, you just hit them. Can’t avoid it.

          Maxwell, you’re an incredibly intelligent person, I know you know what I was getting at.

          I completely understand what you are saying, I just don’t agree with it. You don’t need to pretend like you don’t get what I was getting at.

        • #3341694

          Mrafrohead – I think I know

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to I said FREE

          I do know what you were getting at, at least I think I do. You’re suggesting that an IT professional worth his salt will do whatever necessary to protect the computers under his umbrella of responsibility — it’s his job.

          However, not all computers or computer users are created equal, nor do they all enjoy the protection of your umbrella. Just because an automobile driver doesn’t have the wherewithal to change the motor oil, it doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t enjoy safe driving without having to avoid the shots being fired at him.

          Moreover, in a corporate environment that does enjoy the protection of your umbrella, for every hour you spend protecting that company from some idiot taking pot-shots at you, it’s a hour you’re NOT spending helping your company use Information Technology for the betterment of their product or mission.

          So no, I don’t excuse the behavior, I will not make excuses for them, nor will I capitulate to them.

        • #3341576

          Oil analagies, spooky…

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Mrafrohead – I think I know

          That’s just wierd. I made an analagy up above about oil and cars. Then read what you wrote. How wierd that we were thinking almost exactly along the same lines of a topic… ;p

          **Start Twilight Zone theme now…**

          Maxwell,

          I see your point. I understand what you say. And from the looks of it, you are properly intepretting what I am trying to conveigh. BUT, I don’t agree with what you are saying.

          I would have to say at this time, we will just have to agree to disagree… 🙂

          I stand firm in my opinion on this one. I don’t believe it was solely the virus writers fault.

          And the “B” variant wasn’t even anything big. It was just signed basically, like writing your name in the snow with your piss. Something you shouldn’t do, but didn’t really change anything.

          If they really want to throw someone in jail for 18 months, find who wrote “A” and go after that one. “B” was no more than a kiddie…

        • #3341570

          mrafrohead – agree to disagree – however

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Mrafrohead – I think I know

          .
          Sure, we can just end the discussion with an agreement to simply disagree. Discussing it any further would be pointless.

          However, I’ve never wished this upon anyone, but I hope a virus bites you in the cyber-butt and brings your network crashing down all around you. If anyone “deserves” it, you do.

        • #3343906

          @Maxwell – fair enough…

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Mrafrohead – I think I know

          “Sure, we can just end the discussion with an agreement to simply disagree. Discussing it any further would be pointless.”

          I concur.

          “However, I’ve never wished this upon anyone, but I hope a virus bites you in the cyber-butt and brings your network crashing down all around you. If anyone “deserves” it, you do.”

          Maybe I do deserve it, but I am not trying to tempt fate here. That is not my intention. I try my best to keep everything I have running as well as I can and as safe as I can.

          If I do get bit, I can tell you it will be a hard enough bite to make me seriously question myself and my abilities. Enough to make me leave the profession.

          I take this type of thing more seriously than most anyone I’ve ever talked to, and I try my damndest to make sure I’m safe.

          But accidents and 0-day do happen, so who knows.

          If it’s something that I do to myself due to negligence, then I deserved it. If not, then I just got bit with bad luck.

          But if I get it due to me thinking I’m safe and doing my best and I find out otherwise, I will more than likely accept defeat and cut my losses as that would be proof to me that I am making no difference in this world with this aspect of things. It would then be time to move on.

          Mrafrohead

        • #3343426

          That’s a crock

          by wordworker ·

          In reply to Bug Guard.

          Okay let’s take your preposterous premise one step further. Say we accept the notion that everybody should have seen it coming. What if, oh I don’t know, you were on vacation for two weeks around the time the kid loosed the beast? What if you were in the hospital with pneumonia? What if you were out of the country doing missionary work.

          I hope you’re intentionally yanking everyone’s chains just for the sake of generating lots of posts, because if you’re serious, then you should turn in your access card and exit the building quickly and quietly.

          You might as well say “Well the people in Tower 2 knew something was coming and they should have gotten out…” I agree with the person who said his punishment isn’t long enough.

        • #3343330

          Be careful

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to That’s a crock

          “What if, oh I don’t know, you were on vacation for two weeks around the time the kid loosed the beast?”

          The news covered the release THREE weeks before exploit hit. You do the math.

          “What if you were in the hospital with pneumonia?”

          Then your firewall should have taken care of it. OH but wait, you were probably thinking that all of the press about A/V software and Firewall’s was a joke didn’t you…

          “What if you were out of the country doing missionary work.”

          Then you’re gone a long time, someone should be looking after your box if you didn’t set it to do it itself.

          Also, y’all are forgetting about Windoze Updates. You can configure your Win2k and XP boxes to automagically update themselves. Not that hard to do, even my mom did it on her own.

          “I hope you’re intentionally yanking everyone’s chains just for the sake of generating lots of posts, because if you’re serious, then you should turn in your access card and exit the building quickly and quietly.”

          I’ve already voiced my opinion on this previously. My stance is known by a few people here posting now. Granted, I am dead serious in my intent, I am partially posting because it is kind of funny to me how many people here will “pass the buck” and say that it’s not their fault that they got infected. People need to suck it up and stop lying to themselves. Not to mention, I also like to show the other side of the coin. I have no problem admitting fault, if I am convinced otherwise, Maxwell has done this to me many a times. But this is one topic that I see no fault in. I do not agree with majorities stance on this one.

          “You might as well say “Well the people in Tower 2 knew something was coming and they should have gotten out…” I agree with the person who said his punishment isn’t long enough.”

          And on this one, you can go screw yourself! I NEVER said anything about people dying. Losing all of your pics and getting your box 0wned are COMPLETELY _COMPLETELY_!!!!!! different than those poor souls that were needlessly and wastidly lost. Maybe if you would pull yourself out of your little box, and watch some documentaries or read, you would know that people WERE trying to get out! Jerk!

        • #3341762

          You don’t agree with the majority’s stance (edited)

          by wordworker ·

          In reply to Be careful

          Nuff said. You’re entitled to your opinion. But you’re getting reamed because a) you are a jerk and proud of it, and b) you’re insinuating that the victims deserved what they got. That’s what is patently ridiculous about your “argument.”

          EDIT: I called Mafro a jerk because he called me one first. Immature of me, I admit. I shouldn’t lower myself to his level. The example I used of victims in Tower 2 is preposterous, yes, and in my mind, just as preposterous as Mafrohead’s nonchalant attitude toward the victims of the virus. Just because “the kid” wasn’t the originator doesn’t mean he is less guilty than the original writer; just because someone didn’t see the warning in the news doesn’t make them stupid or unprofessional. The release of the variant shouldn’t have happened, period.

        • #3341690

          In all fairness to mrafrohead

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to You don’t agree with the majority’s stance (edited)

          .
          He and I have conversed on a number of subjects over the years, and he’s neither a jerk or mean-spirited — and he’s a pretty smart guy himself. If his stand actually is what we all have assumed, I think he may be a little misguided on this particular subject.

          However, perhaps he’ll enlighten us and clarify what is probably a misunderstanding of his position or a misreading of his messages. I must admit, I’ve tried to interject certain “tones” into some of my messages, but on the reading end it came across entirely differently. Perhaps that’s the case here.

        • #3341682

          On second thought. . . . .

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to You don’t agree with the majority’s stance (edited)

          .
          After reading ALL the messages, maybe a “second thought” is in order here.

        • #3341601

          Wouldn’t say jerk, but I would say

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You don’t agree with the majority’s stance (edited)

          sounds more like a closet hacker wannabe.

          Anyone who advocates or condones any of the snooping/hacking/coding of this nature must have watched that terrible eyecandy show “hackers” too many times.

          Not saying for sure that this is what mraf is, but is there any working professional out there that sees this differently?

          Does this make him a jerk? I didn’t get that from his posts.

          Just not someone I would want to work with or have work for me.

        • #3341573

          Not insinuating, flat out saying it: THEY DESERVED IT!

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to You don’t agree with the majority’s stance (edited)

          There’s no insinuation about what I am saying.

          EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT GOT INFECTED WITH BLASTER DESERVED IT!!! EVERYONE ONE OF THEM!

          Does that make you feel better? Now there is no question as to what I am “insinuating”.

          ————————————————-

          Now to address your post piece by piece:

          “I called Mafro a jerk because he called me one first.”

          Fair enough, but just so you know, I edited the crap out of what I wrote according to what you said that got me to say what I said.

          Just so you know, what you stated in your first post that got me started is fighting words. That was NOT a cool thing you stated earlier. They are so different they can not be compared.

          “Just because “the kid” wasn’t the originator doesn’t mean he is less guilty than the original writer”

          Sure he is less guilty. All he did was take a note that someone wrote, sign it and forward it on. He didn’t write it, just signed it. There is a difference, albeit a small one, but there is still a difference.

          “just because someone didn’t see the warning in the news doesn’t make them stupid or unprofessional.”

          For home users:

          I agree with you, it doesn’t make them stupid or unprofessional, it makes them negligent.

          For Admins and Professionals:

          I disagree with you completely. It makes them incredibly stupid, unprofessional, incompetent and Liable!

          “The release of the variant shouldn’t have happened, period.”

          I can’t knock this one. Though I will say this, just for the sake of looking for some light in the dark:

          It sure as hell opened up the worlds eyes to the reality of not patching didn’t it???

          So in the long run, maybe something good did come of it…

        • #3341564

          Maxwell – thank you for the kind words

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to You don’t agree with the majority’s stance (edited)

          “He and I have conversed on a number of subjects over the years, and he’s neither a jerk or mean-spirited — and he’s a pretty smart guy himself.”

          Thank you very much for the kind words 🙂 They were nice to read!

          “If his stand actually is what we all have assumed, I think he may be a little misguided on this particular subject.”

          I don’t think that I am misguided. I just don’t believe that the person who got into trouble for variant B is THAT bad that he deserved that amount of time. I would think for variant A maybe, but not B.

          I do think that the users seriously are also to blame, NOT just the writer.

          “However, perhaps he’ll enlighten us and clarify what is probably a misunderstanding of his position or a misreading of his messages.”

          I’ll try my best here.

          I think that the person who got infected is just as liable for not taking care of their computers as the person who sent out the code. They allowed themselves to have this happen. When there are so many different things that can be done to deter this type of problem it still happens.

          We are talking about a main stream virus here. Something that people knew about three weeks before it hit. Something that people had time to protect themselves against. Something that was in the media for a long time repeatedly before the actual problem happened.

          There are free firewalls that are available that would have helped, there is AV software.

          There are FREE updates to fix the crappy code that they are running.

          There was no reason that MSBlaster should have hit as hard as it did, other than sheer negligence on behalf of all of those who got themselves infected.

          I can tell you this much, my parents are not very big into computers, and they didn’t have a problem with it. They updated their computers like good netizens and because of that they were fine.

          Just as anyone else could have done. If you aren’t responsible enough to update your shit, or don’t have the time, disconnect your modem and cancel your account.

          If you can’t do it, it’s okay, just don’t open yourself up to the chances of being infected and then to infecting the rest of us.

          Being safe on the internet is just as important as wearing a condom nowadays. And I’m not being silly when I say that, I’m serious. You don’t wear a condome and you can get something bad, or die. You don’t use protection on your computer when you are on the net and you can get something and lose all of your stuff, or lose your identity.

          These are very serious things, and if people don’t want to accept that, then they shouldn’t be on it.

          I hope that I never have to experience my identity being stolen. I can tell you that no matter how many precautions I take, it is always a possibility as there’s always someone smarter than me or you. BUT at least I try!

          Not patching is not trying and that’s negligence. If someone applied the patch and it just didn’t work, then I can’t bitch about that, they tried. Those mistakes I would fix for free, but if you just didn’t want to apply it because you had something better to do, I’ll charge you twice as much.

          “I must admit, I’ve tried to interject certain “tones” into some of my messages, but on the reading end it came across entirely differently.”

          They do do that sometimes. I’ve run into it many a times myself with things I write… ;p

          And at times verbally say… ;p

          “Perhaps that’s the case here.”

          Not this time.

        • #3343910

          @jdclyde

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to You don’t agree with the majority’s stance (edited)

          “sounds more like a closet hacker wannabe.”

          I don’t see anything wrong with hacking. Nothing at all. I wouldn’t mind falling into ranks with Hackers, BUT I think that you are talking about Crackers. That I am not, nor will I be.

          I see nothing wrong with finding holes in software and notifying the vendor to fix the problem. But I do see something wrong with holding on to that information for your own personal gain, or to cause misery on others.

          “Anyone who advocates or condones any of the snooping/hacking/coding of this nature must have watched that terrible eyecandy show “hackers” too many times.”

          Actually, I still watch it ;p Love that movie, BUT probably not for the reason that you watch it. I like to see Angelina Jolies breasticles in it ;p It’s hilarious how they are just ass backwards in that show about what hacking is, and I love how they talk about the older technologies like they’re just the shiznit… ;p

          “Not saying for sure that this is what mraf is, but is there any working professional out there that sees this differently?”

          Most working professionals in a shirty and tie organization probably would not understand. I don’t expect them to.

          I think that those with a little more of an open mind are willing to at least acknowledge what I am claiming in this thread.

          “Does this make him a jerk? I didn’t get that from his posts.”

          Thank you!

          “Just not someone I would want to work with or have work for me.”

          Just so you know, I am more of an ethical person and trustworty person than you would ever know. I’m one of the safer people that you would have to work with you.

          I dont’ stab people in the back and I’ll tell you how it is to you face. And if I”m wrong, I’ll admit it.

          I don’t lie cheat or steal. And I believe in treating others as you wish to be treated. Therefore i try to be nice and courteous to everyone, till they do otherwise to me.

        • #3343655

          Peace Mraf

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You don’t agree with the majority’s stance (edited)

          I just see a few flaws in your argument.

          We won’t get into the blurring of hacker/cracker. Moot point because it doesn’t matter what something really means if the majority of the global population believes it is something else.
          Example, gay uses to mean happy. Not no more.

          The writting and releasing of a virus is the work of a Cracker, not a Hacker.
          “But I do see something wrong with holding on to that information for your own personal gain, or to cause misery on others.”
          The guy caused misery.

          That is where you should be having a problem.

          In the true heart of a hacker, you do no damage and they never knew you were even there except for maybe your computer would run a little better for some reason.

          Do you see where I am coming from on this now? You seem to have come up with the idea that just because MS products are buggy, they deserve to get cracked. Everyone deserves to be left alone. Someone climes in your open window, it isn’t your fault. We know MS has a lot of open windows, that doesn’t give anyone the right to clime into them. If they want to explore the software or whatever, fine. You NEVER have the right to cause damage to someone else’s property. Even if they didn’t do something as simple as close the window with a patch.

          As for the working with, I would be uncomfortable with anyone who thinks it is alright to come in to any window they find and break stuff like he did with B. Doesn’t matter if the original tool used was his own work or not. I didn’t make this gun but if I shoot someone with it I am the one to blame, not the manufacture of that gun and not the person who got shot.

        • #3341592

          In another discussion you said. . . .

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Be careful

          .
          “….there’s just something wrong being a jerk and affecting other people when you don’t have to.”

          So why are you giving virus-writers a free pass?

        • #3343909

          I’m not.

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to In another discussion you said. . . .

          I’m just saying that “in this case” the person sent to jail, didn’t deserve it.

          This particular virus, was preventable. That’s it.

          On another note, I don’t think that there is ANYTHING wrong with writing a virus. POC is a necessary thing. I think that there is something wrong with releasing it into the wild.

          That isn’t cool.

          The guy with Variant B, didn’t release it into the wild. He just tagged the beast. That’s all.

        • #3322081

          MR afrohead

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to In another discussion you said. . . .

          His mistake, slapping his name on it so he could be the big guy.

          My sister used to graffiti benches and bus seats when she was younger, her problem though was that instead of placing her initials, or having a nickname or alias, as most would use, she would slap her full name on stuff. It didn’t take too long for it to catch up with her. 😀

          We still laugh about that one , DOH!!

        • #3322048

          nevermind – deleted post

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to In another discussion you said. . . .

          fd

      • #3342613

        Sounds promising

        by awfernald ·

        In reply to Too severe

        But totally from a fantasy world.

        The people who should be shot are the people that sell the piece of crap computers with no virus protection, no training, no anti-spyware, etc…

        I’m planning on selling some custom made computer systems starting in a few months, and every single one that I sell will NOT be guaranteed virus free, however…. they will all go out the door with a good virus protection installed, and 3 forms of anti-spyware, all of which will be auto-updating.

        Part of the “price” of the computer will include 3 years worth of auto-update/upgrade, and a couple of hours installation/training for the end-user in case they wish to use the service.

        Yes, it will cost THEM more up front, but, I am estimating that it will save them a considerable amount more than it will cost them.

        • #3343328

          Reply To: MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Sounds promising

          I am from a fantasy world ;p

          As for your boxes that you’re about to sell, I wish to you the greatest of luck and fortune!!! I truly hope that they take off well!

          You are taking an extremely pro-active response to a very serious problem.

          Kudos to you!!!!!

          Mrafrohead

      • #3342596

        Using that same argument…

        by jdmercha ·

        In reply to Too severe

        If I go into east LA and kill someone, I should get 18 months. Unless he is wearing a kevlar vest, in which case I will get life.

        • #3343327

          or

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Using that same argument…

          You could sell a dime bag and get five years…

          Funny how that’s so backwards isn’t it???

          Please remember, we’re talking about computers here, not life and death.

          Life and death are two totally seperate things.

          We’re talking about little boxes with parts in them that are replaceable and OS’s that are sold broken. We’re talking about things that when they break, they’re inconveniencing, NOT things that will cause life to suddenly stop.

          People functioned just fine and were just as productive with pencils and paper, we’d be able to do it again if need be.

        • #3341756

          The don’t know how anymore

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to or

          Most of the tasks have been so automated, most of the people don’t understand what it is they do every day. They just know “click this pretty picture and type this in and I get a scooby snack.”

          They don’t know OR CARE why they are typing that in. Seen this so many times.

        • #3341653

          Look for the pretty blue “e”

          by cp7212 ·

          In reply to The don’t know how anymore

          I was waiting for something in the posts like this to come up. I used to consult and work in a PC shop. I agree with you jd, most people that buy PCs just take it out of the box, click on IE and they are on the Internet. They only do it this way most likely because this is what they have seen all of their friends do.

          Mrafrohead, I don’t agree with your comments. I can’t believe that you’re so naive to think anyone that buys a box should know everything about it. Do you honestly think the person that is selling them the box is going to take the time to explain to them the dangers of the Internet? Heck no, they’re already heading to their next commission.

          By the way, if every user in the world was an instant expert at computing, we would be out of a job. You say you have had no viruses. Honestly, you probably had an interest in computers before you had one or had friends in the field and learned beforehand.

          The Internet now is not what it was five (or ten) years ago. When I was first on it was Usenets and chat rooms. Now it is a multimedia circus. People just don’t know any better and their eagerness to experience the Internet gets the best of them.

          I’m not going to use any metaphors, but I just don’t believe people have the right to give newbies a virus, under any circumstances.

        • #3343897

          n00b’s

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Look for the pretty blue “e”

          “Mrafrohead, I don’t agree with your comments.”

          Fair enough.

          “I can’t believe that you’re so naive to think anyone that buys a box should know everything about it.”

          I’m not. They shouldn’t know everything about it, but they should know enough about how to very basically protect THEMSELVES while using it. Updates, AV and FW.

          Simple, basic things that usually come preconfigured.

          “Do you honestly think the person that is selling them the box is going to take the time to explain to them the dangers of the Internet?”

          That’s not their job, that would be their ISP’s.

          Speaking of n00b’s, AOL is n00b heaven, and they are now including AV with all subscriptions. A step in the right direction.

          “Honestly, you probably had an interest in computers before you had one or had friends in the field and learned beforehand.”

          Actually, to be completely open and honest, I was just one lucky SOB. That’s it. I didn’t know up from down when I FIRST got on the internet. But as I slowly went along, I picked up this and that. I learned just like a big kid, all on my own.

          Now this was back when the internet was still new. Back when you were on it. And exploits and all of that was a real “secret” still.

          It isn’t that way anymore, and there isn’t an excuse for people to get infected anymore.

          “People just don’t know any better and their eagerness to experience the Internet gets the best of them.”

          For the tricky exploits, I agree. The jpg vulnerability and now we have infected WMV files due to MicroSnatches bitch ass DRM. Those a user will have problems protecting themselves against, and those types of things I am not talking about.

          Those are different beasts.

          ” but I just don’t believe people have the right to give newbies a virus, under any circumstances.”

          I dont’ think they do either, but the n00b should just listen to the basic advice, update, av, fw. it’s all over the place.

        • #3321939

          Sooooo….

          by liame ·

          In reply to n00b’s

          I think I can encapsulate your reasoning througout this thread Mraf as…

          Its not your fault if someone breaks into your house through a locked door but if you leave a window open you are to blame.

          Please form an oderly queue outside Mraf’s house this June I guess.

          Luckily the law in all western countries disagrees with you mate.

          Want a really nasty analogy to get your head round this? Lets take a yourng girl wearing sexy clothes out in a rough part of town alone at night. She hasnt got a rape alarm, despite them being freely available (just like MS patches) for a long long time. Yes she might be being naive (just like those that are slow to patch), but no one has the right to rape her whether or not she has put herself in a bad postion through her own carelssness or not. It does not matter one iota that she could have done more to protect herslef – she has a RIGHT not to be raped.

          And everyone that owns a computer has that same right when it come to people screwing with their systems. Or the stuff in their house even if the window is open.

          It doesnt matter even if MS produced an OS or app that is full of holes and that they never bothered to patch it. Or if the users make use of available patches or not. That does not matter. It is NEVER the software producers fault nor is it the users. The only people at fault are those that produce and/or distribute malicious code.

        • #3341713

          You seem to think this is just a small crime

          by liame ·

          In reply to or

          You seem to think this is just a small crime Mrafrohead. Have a look at http://www.vnunet.com/news/1160924

          $166,000,000,000 a year is a lot of inconveniencing for companies and home users to deal with, dude.

          Its time the law caught up with how much damage these clowns are doing to the world economy between learning to speak klingon and having the 5th toss of the morning whilst wondering if they will ever get laid.

        • #3343894

          This particular one I think is.

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to You seem to think this is just a small crime

          “$166,000,000,000 a year is a lot of inconveniencing for companies and home users to deal with, dude.”

          It is a lot. But a lot of it could have been prevented…

          Should the companies and users not try to prevent the problem, then they got what they deserved. If they were honestly trying, then I can’t knock that. Then it’s just a case of really bad luck and some little pimple popping kid that needs to be smacked around a little.

          “Its time the law caught up with how much damage these clowns are doing to the world economy between learning to speak klingon and having the 5th toss of the morning whilst wondering if they will ever get laid.”

          I agree with you on most aspects, but NOT on the case in this thread.

          The one in this thread didn’t cause this to happen. He didn’t write the code, he just “signed” it. That’s all…

        • #3321938

          If he just signed it…

          by liame ·

          In reply to This particular one I think is.

          If he just signed it how did it get out.

          He distributed it too, which is every bit as serious as writing the code in the first place.

      • #3343529

        If the news would get it right

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to Too severe

        and report on how this took hold of ONLY systems that someone who didn’t BOTHER to apply a patch that had been out already, then maybe some of the clowns that run around with the title Sys Admin proudly on their desk because they add and remove user accounts would be removed.

        This would be a service to everyone else in the field that is made to look bad because people see these clowns and assume that is what we are all like.

        • #3343326

          I hope that’s not what people see.

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to If the news would get it right

          “This would be a service to everyone else in the field that is made to look bad because people see these clowns and assume that is what we are all like.”

          This statement I COMPLETELY agree with. That’s an incredibly good idea!

          If you don’t mind, the next time one of these infections happen (the kind that were preventable) I would like to forward your post to the local media outlets in my area to see if they will take the suggestion.

          I think you have a fantastic idea here! I would like to see how the media would react to it.

          I hope that the rest of us though, don’t look bad because of a few bad apples. I hope.

          Mrafrohead

        • #3341760

          Cost you a nickel

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I hope that’s not what people see.

          everytime you use my intellectual property.

          Please forward via TR board.

          Why do you think that there are a lot of Admins by default out there? A smaller company that looks and says, “that person is great with MicroSoft Word. They could run our network too on the side”.

          For decades, IT was under the Acounting department because they were the only people who used computers. The company I work for didn’t start to advance until they took IT out from under, and made it it’s own department. (just before I got hired on)

          Another fact, Windows Admins get more respect from non-techies than *nix Admins. The windows admin has to come along and save the day several times a week when the server hoses up. They are heros because they can reboot the server. The *nix admin puts the box up and people forget all about it. It just works, so they take it for granted.

        • #3343891

          ;p

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Cost you a nickel

          “Cost you a nickel everytime you use my intellectual property. Please forward via TR board.”

          I’ll let the media outlets know so they can get you your nickels.

          Though just so you know, I don’t believe in putting a price on intellectual property. I think that it’s something that benefits the good of society and you can’t put a price on that…

          “Why do you think that there are a lot of Admins by default out there? A smaller company that looks and says, “that person is great with MicroSoft Word. They could run our network too on the side”.

          If they accept the job, then they need to do it. Otherwise step aside and let the big boys do it.

          “For decades, IT was under the Acounting department because they were the only people who used computers. The company I work for didn’t start to advance until they took IT out from under, and made it it’s own department. (just before I got hired on)”

          You know that feeling you get when you watch a scary movie, that chill that gets sent down your spine? Well thank you for reproducing that in me… ;p

          “Another fact, Windows Admins get more respect from non-techies than *nix Admins. The windows admin has to come along and save the day several times a week when the server hoses up. They are heros because they can reboot the server. The *nix admin puts the box up and people forget all about it. It just works, so they take it for granted.”

          Sad but true. Kind of like a good wife. Keeps the house clean, fixes your food, and she rarely gets a thank you… It’s a sad thing.

          Let’s try to not be like that.

        • #3343639

          Price on intellectual property

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to ;p

          Gotta pay for my caffine fix somehow. Just as long as it is reasonable.

          Have you ever tried to sell the idea of a security solution to non-technical people? First, but big “X” on brick wall, then procede to slam your head into that “X”.

          If they don’t understand security, there is no way a bean counter will ever fork out the money for it. That is how you can have your part-time admins.

          What is even scarier is there are many companies without even that. They pay someone to set everything up and then call them back in when it stops working or they need to change something.

          And believe me, there is NOTHING worse than an accountant when it comes to being cheap for their computer needs. I had to go through my old parts pile for my bud because he had to “fix” a windows 95 system and didn’t have a hard drive small enough that the BIOS would accept. And they wanted this to be networked and on the internet and all. No, they wouldn’t buy new systems.

          When I got hired where I am now, the second in charge of accounting was still on a 386 running windows 3.11. The only reason she allowed us to upgrade her is because she couldn’t open the newer files in her old system.

        • #3322083

          Then again

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Price on intellectual property

          There is the flip side.

          I met with a busienss owner last week who gives all his employees $1500 after 6 months toward a computer, for themselves not the company.

          That’s like half my notbook paid for just like that!

          The desktops ALL had 17″ or 21″ LCD’s, ALL were top of the line pruducts, most dual processor and high end graphics for their gaming at lunch.

          There were staff taking their dogs out for a walk because it was nice and sunny (they bring pets to the office). What a cool place!

          Also a VERY big company, branches across Canada etc. But people seemed to just LOVE working there, a great energy in the office etc.

          Too bad I was just there for a quick meeting and lunch with a friend. I’d take a job there anyday.

        • #3343234

          Accountants, not companies

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Price on intellectual property

          Yes, many companies are willing to treat their people well because they know that the happy employee will go the extra mile, stay the extra hour or whatever it takes to get the job done.

          I get treated well where I am, which is the only reason I drive an hour each way every day.

          When I first started working here, money was tight (with new twins) but I needed to upgrade my computer. Asked my boss if I could get a company loan of a computer (they would give emergency loans as needed to help people through). My boss’s boss decided that because 90% of the useage for that computer was for the company that the company would just buy if for me. So cool.

          Then I went back to school. The do tuition reimburesment, but not enough to go full time all year. They removed the cap for me and are now spending three times what the stated “cap” is for the last two years.

          Not quite as peaceful and relaxing at the company you described OZ, but there were really there for me when I needed them. Means a lot to me.

        • #3344227

          That’s the funny part

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Price on intellectual property

          It was a family owned busienss at one time, now it is owned and operated by two acocuntants and that’s when it was turned around. It’s not that the former owners had failed (quite the contrary), just failed to keep up with modern operational concepts.

          Go figure, huh?

    • #3342710

      Too right

      by tony hopkinson ·

      In reply to MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

      Git will probably write a book on internet security, sell his life story to two tabloids and be given a job in an anti-virus house on his release.
      Then he’ll sue his parents for bringing him up with no moral values.

      • #3342652

        Naah………………….he’s

        by dafe2 ·

        In reply to Too right

        He’s just a sc.umbag. We can only hope he drops the soap when he showers……………Then again they probably put him in the same ‘hotel’ as Martha Stewart.

        On the other hand, the way TV is going I wouldn’t be surprised to see some kind of reality series come out of this. LOL

        • #3343294

          I hope not.

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Naah………………….he’s

          If they did a reality series, sadly enough some little script kiddie might get the idea to try it themselves. That would blow as then we’d really have a problem.

          I would hope the tv show producers would be smart enough to not glorify this type of activity.

        • #3343287

          LOL…think about it though

          by dafe2 ·

          In reply to I hope not.

          These same producers are putting out:

          Gerry Springer, That Hilton chick, Donald Trump and Gotti…..and whatever other cr.ap.

          These guys could probably do something like ‘who wants to hack a millionaire’ LOL

        • #3343275

          If only I was a TV show designer!

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to LOL…think about it though

          I would totally have to use that phrase.

          That’s BRILLIANT!!!

          Who wants to Hack a Millionaire!!!!

          Shite man, you’ve got something there.

          That could be a great theme for a hacking convention 🙂

          I can see it now, some kid in black and white stripes eyeing the camera, “see Trump, I told you we would meet again!” ;p

          That’s great!

          Seriously though, those other shows tend to not glorify breaking the law or harming others so much as they are entertaining.

          Where as the spreading of virii isn’t exactly legal and isn’t exactly something that Karma will probably shine on in a positive light.

        • #3341777

          What was that crap film that came out a while ago

          by tony hopkinson ·

          In reply to I hope not.

          Hackers.
          They were doing good in the world against a nasty corporate type.
          They were all young and attractive as well, maybe this chump just wanted to get laid. Most of these a***s do get portrayed as anti-corporate warriors in quite a lot of films.

          Should be another plot Jude Law valiant IT consultant battling against the nefarious hackers who’ve targeted him as a prime supporter of their arch-enemy Gill Bates illegitimate son of Norman perhaps. He saves the day with an agressive three tier defense strategy and gets the MD’s PA and a pay rise as a reward.

          Forget the pay rise the film would lose all credibility at that point.
          LOL

    • #3342636

      Not Enough

      by gario ·

      In reply to MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

      I think Jeffrey-boy should have to serve at least 3 years in prison, and then 10 years probation. As far as restitution, you’ll never see it, because this guy is going to be a loser for the rest of his life. Just check that box on the job app where it asks “Have you ever been convicted of a crime?”

      • #3343289

        McDonalds is always hiring…

        by mrafrohead ·

        In reply to Not Enough

        ;p

        The title says it all…

        • #3343887

          Hey…in all fairness

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to McDonalds is always hiring…

          I have never had the forced displeasure of donning a McPukes uniform but they have a noted history of creating a good employee from young students.

          As a company, it’s a great way for kids ot break out into the working world, they get to meet great people and they get to me jerks all day too. They get phenominal team training and working experience. They learn service, cash handling, entry level management, grill skills etc. that all progress to other careers.

          On the other hand I can’t stand the dump, unless I’m unforunate and hungry enough to find myself stuffing down a few of their new subs.

          It’s quite refreshing to see you back and hammering along full steam. Won’t say where I stand on this issue but it is amusing to see I’m not the only one who is firm on his stand. 🙂

        • #3343848

          fast food isnt’ that bad to work…

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Hey…in all fairness

          My point of the previous post was more of a, if you really screw up and can’t get work anywhere else, mcdonald’s will always hire you…

          And yes, they do train people well. That’s why some of the employee’s never leave there and go to management.

          I honestly can’t knock a person who is earning their money honestly, no matter what they do. At least they’re doing something!

          Come on now, it’d be great to hear your opinion on the matter? I’m curious.

    • #3343888

      BTW – OZ where are you?

      by mrafrohead ·

      In reply to MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

      Dude, I’da expected you to get involved on this one, where are you?

      • #3343845

        Mafrohead is a big baby, or Satan

        by wordworker ·

        In reply to BTW – OZ where are you?

        You want fighting words? You’re a goofball, picking a fight just for the sake of a fight. That’s not acting like the intelligent person Max thinks you are. You can take your attitude of “they deserved it” and…. Let your imagination run wild.

        • #3343832

          LOL

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Mafrohead is a big baby, or Satan

          Is that the new guage of character? Your rating on the Maxwell meter? 😀

          As for fighting words, you better slow down before someone gets hurt!

          Big Baby
          Satan
          Goofball

          You kiss your mother with that mouth?

        • #3343825

          damnit oz – i’m suing

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to LOL

          “You kiss your mother with that mouth?”

          I laughed so hard from that, I hurt myself…

          I’ll see you in court punk!

          ;p

        • #3343637

          Did I miss the Max Meter post?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to LOL

          Well, I must have slept right through that one to see how we all stand in the ratings.

          As for the kisses, just hope there is no tongue involved.

        • #3343578

          The meter

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to LOL

          “That’s not acting like the intelligent person Max thinks you are.”

          I figure now people are being measured up against Max’s thoughts, pretty scary concept really.

          You wouldn’t want to fail on the Max meter!

        • #3343831

          :o) – why thank you…

          by mrafrohead ·

          In reply to Mafrohead is a big baby, or Satan

          You gave the fightin’ words when you posted about the wtc…

          Calling me a goofball… well that’s just entertaining.

          I’m not picking a fight just for the sake of doing it, that’s how you get your butt kicked. I’m voicing my opinion. I find it humorous how me voicing my opinion on this particular topic ruffles feathers because I dont fit in with the status quo.

          Wordworker, you musta been one of them huh??? Man, I know, it’s okay. Sometimes the truth hurts… ;p

          Happy hump day!

          Mrafrohead

        • #3343827

          I’m not surprised

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to :o) – why thank you…

          The US has pretty tough laws, another reason I wouldn’t mix well down there. I like the rubber arm of the law we have in Canada. RCMP can be the coolest people sometimes, especially around here where they get to drive 4X4’s around lakes and up and down mountains all day.

          I agree people are stupid when it comes to patching and they deserve what they get for not taking care of their security.

          But then again, to knowingly and willingly attempt to effect business is pretty nasty and you can only expect a kick in the butt when you get caught.

          Especially considering how water tight US security paranoia has become, people don’t know what to lock down next and it is still breached daily.

          Oh well, such is life.

          Hell get a slap and be let go for good bahaviour, minimum security and community service? For what I know, that’s a pretty light sentence for the US.

        • #3343634

          Like a day camp

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I’m not surprised

          Minimun security.
          The doors aren’t locked and people have been know to just walk away from them before. OF course that sort of behavior is what moves them from the country club life up to lock down.

          Tear up the environment with a 4×4? Oh cry for the trees, OZ is coming……

        • #3322251

          Tear up the enviro?

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Like a day camp

          No there are logging roads all over the North Island. More logging roads than highways really.

          As for the trees, I have no beef with logging, I’m not a tree hugger in any way. Many of my friends are lggers (or fishermen). Some even work for US company that bouhgt half the forests on Vancouver Island, other than the protected ones of course, and those are gaining more and more security as we watch them log out the mountains. You should see the size of the logs they pull out of here. Some trucks only carry on etree in two or three pieces, instead of about 50 little logs that you see elsewhere, until of course all they pull out of here are tiny trees too.

          RCMP drive around the mountains at about 10 kmph, windows down, drink in hand. They idle around just in case they run into stranded vehicles junked off the side of the roads etc. Sometimes I bomb around in my 4X4 just to make dust on the roads it seems.

          I love to go out and pound on th eworld but i have respect for the environment too. I am a VERY clean camper, VERY aware of what can and what an’t be destroyed/replenished, I hate noise when camping (anyone who pulls up cranking Guns and Roses (yeah they STILL do that for some reason) on a long weekend doesn’t last too long.

          All in all it’s fun, bvut I fear I may have to move back to the big city pretty quick because projects are getting harder and more expensive from here now.

      • #3343834

        It seemed to be a repeat discussion

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to BTW – OZ where are you?

        I just got the been there done that attitude and left it be.

        I’ll probably post when there’s more time, laundy’s beeping at me and I am gonna run into town in a bit.

    • #3343051

      What a Joke….

      by flyers70 ·

      In reply to MSBlast.B author gets 18 months in prison

      He did not get nearly enough time. I don’t care a whit how much blame you can lay at the feet of admins who didn’t have systems hardened against this attack. Creators of these high profile viruses need high profile sentences for the amount of $$ that is spent to correct their misadventures. This guy should be viewed as a thief. His misappropriated resources for malicious intent.

      18 months is not much of a deterrent and he’ll probably have a job as a security admin after it’s all said and done.

      • #3343042

        He is a thief

        by dafe2 ·

        In reply to What a Joke….

        And should have got a whole lot more time & forced to pay restitution.

        As far as:

        “I don’t care a whit how much blame you can lay at the feet of admins who didn’t have systems hardened against this attack.”

        Neither does anybody else.
        No admins (or users) can or should be blamed.

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