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Need direction/advice....

By cp7212 ·
I moved to a small town to pick up an IT job, which I have been in for 1 1/2 years. I was out of school for a year and a half, doing nothing in my field except for helping my friend do a few consulting jobs. I have an Associates' degree in Comp Sci/Networking, A+ cert, and MCP. The job I have is desktop support, a far, far cry from networking. I have been passed over for three networking jobs. Two times I wasn't even given the benefit of an interview by my manager and one time the other job wasn't even posted, just granted internally. My co-worker is the other half of the problem. She is considered "cute" amongst the male management. I think they need to get to a real city to see what cute is. Anyway, just recently she was doing a job that had high priority. She had two days to do it. She blew it off, emailed me on the second day after I went home, saying that she couldn't complete it and would I finish it. I come in the next morning and find emails blaming me for not having it done! I sent my manager and the production managers the email that she sent me saying she didn't do it. My manager sent an email to the production managers "apologizing for my behavior". This is not the first time something like this has happened. About six months ago, my manager made her my "boss". She has no education or certs, just seniority. I couldn't believe it. This is my only real experience to go on a resume. From what I read, the IT field is not on a hiring streak. My director told me that they don't really want to move me out of my site, because "I'm more valuable down here". I have learned some client-based wireless and can troubleshoot our wireless system pretty well. Which, by the way, my co-worker (boss) cannot. My first manager was awesome and I really enjoyed my job. He made what he told me, a lateral move, because he didn't like the office politics. My director, who has saved me from a lot of what I have described, is leaving in January of 2005. So the cream has separated from the milk and the milk is spoiling. I can't believe I worked two jobs and went to school for this. Has anyone ever gone through this that can offer some advice? I would really appreciate it. Happy holidays.

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Bad companies are a bummer

by Prefbid II In reply to Need direction/advice....

I think I know how you feel. My first job out of the military was really messed up. I kept asking myself, "is this the way all jobs are? Is this what corporate IT work is like?" Along the road I have met a lot of people who have had similar experiences. The simple and plain answer is, "no that is not what all companies are like." In fact, I suspect most companies are much nicer places to work.

You have two options. 1) Find a different job or 2) Tough it out. To tough it out, you'll have to do some confrontations -- primarily with your boss and HR. You need to let them know what you believe is going on. You have to be polite, respectful, and CALM when you do it -- otherwise it will **** up in your face.

To move to another job -- you just have to find one. Put a positive spin on your resume as far as what you have learned so far. If anyone asks why you left your last job -- tell them the truth, "I'm looking for growth opportunities". Don't ever mention any disagreements you have with your current supervisors.

I personally recommend the new job, especially since you only have 1.5 years with the company. If you stay, the politics won't get better just because you win a battle here or there.

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Good Advice

by A_dangerous_mind In reply to Bad companies are a bumme ...

It's true that there are nicer companies to work for. It sounds to me like there's an old boys' network still entrenched where you are, and usually that situation means more personality based politics than you might find elsewhere.

While IT isn't hiring anyone who can put an acronym on his or her resume anymore, certifications + experience are still worthwhile. In addition, I recommend Martin Yate's book Knock 'Em Dead for a job search. It's a worthwhile read not only because of the techniques, but also the actual EMPOWERMENT that comes with knowing how to conduct a professional job search for what works for you.

It's also possible to be in IT and have a life outside IT as well. There are times you do need to network and improve your skills outside your normal job parameters, but, if you will pardon the cliche, take the time to smell the roses as well. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy . . . All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy . . .All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy . . .

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Book recommendation

by cp7212 In reply to Good Advice

Thanks for the "shining" recommendation. I received a Waldenbooks certificate for Xmas, I'll check it out. Thanks again.

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by Oz_Media In reply to Need direction/advice....

Unfortunately I can only see that they are hiring based on personailty fit as many companies do these days. I amnot saying you don't have a good personality or social skills in anyway, just that perhaps YOUR personality doesn't fit THIER people.

THis is exactly WHY companies hire on personality fit more than certs these days. MOst IT tasks can be learnt reasonably quick these days by people with a good working knowledge of computers. Unfortunately, certs just don't have the same effect as they used to. I remember a time when ONLY a certified tech would know how or what to do, with it becoming such a widely used field now, most people are hired based on proven ability (seniority) or potential and personality as opposed to paperwork.

You may find the opposite happened at another company, SHE would stay put and YOU get promoted ahead of others with more experience, it's just the FIT that counts.

I would suggest getting into a networking group (not servers but PEOPLE networking). THis is where most positions come fromas a result of personality fit and if you are picked up THAT way, your combined skills and personality will see you rise to the top.

I'd be putting irons in the fire and gettng the feelers out on the market. A networking group is a great way to meet potential employers without HR being involved, you just sell yourself. Send out some resumes and get a feel for how things are accepted there, CHANGE your resume repeatedly until you get the desired results. REALLY work on your cpver letter, explain what you have done to help companies you have worked for, instead of listing certs and systems.

Sell yourself, you will do much better then the girl who was promoted in the long run.

Good luck and keep your chin up, it's rarely YOU that's the problem, it is most often someone else that simply shines brighter in their eyes.

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two words:

by apotheon In reply to Need direction/advice....

Paragraph breaks.

Seriously, use 'em.

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by dafe2 In reply to two words:





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C'mon mate!

by Oz_Media In reply to two words:

That's not very constructive, Chad.

We have often tossed around the importance of grammar here and found that, due to the diverse culture of the peers on TR, spelling and grammar have always been ignored. They have added the edit bar though, for quick typists with poor keyboarding skills like myself.

This is a forum, not an informal application/presentation process.

Cut the guy some slack, he's actually got a fair issue to discuss and stated it quite well. This COULD be a decent thrread and I am sure one you could offer some worthwhile input on.

Have a safe and happy holiday!


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basically . . .

by apotheon In reply to C'mon mate!

If I find that I can't be bothered to read something because it's too obtusely presented for me to muddle through it, I figure that the person posting the mess might benefit from a little bit of critique of posting style. If he/she learns to break paragraphs, all is well. If not, nothing changes, including the fact that I (and others like me) won't offer any help because I (and others like me) won't read the post.

The title of the post looked like it might indicate a discussion I'd like to be a part of, but I'm not interested enough to sort through a post with no paragraph breaks at all. It's that simple. Spelling and grammar can be overlooked sometimes, but a complete lack of paragraph breaks in a post this long is a bigger problem. Reading someone's post shouldn't be hard work.

If edited so that it's more readable, I'd be more than happy to contribute. In fact, someone else with a paragraph breaks problem edited his post appropriately earlier today, and I immediately (upon noticing this) read the post and responded in some depth. That, of course, was because the post was suddenly readable without straining my eyes.

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That's the beauty of a discussion isn't it?

by Oz_Media In reply to basically . . .

If you don't have the patience or don't want to take time to read a post, you simply don't have to.

I don't think it's the posters DUTY to provide you with an entertaining read.

If you are interested in what he wasnts to say, he is welcoming your input. If you are not, c'est la vie.

Some people simply don't know how to structure a thought or they may think while they type in run-on sentences, they are still entitled to share their thoughts though without being corrected or expected to 'do better or you're not interested'.

I just got a bad vibe from your reply, and the guy who replied to it.

If the poster had said he couldn't understand why he wasn't promoted as a journalist, well...some input like that may help.

The format and gramar was irrlevant to the topic, that's all.

I have been making a concious effort to accept people here because at one time I would not have let that go myself, people come here for help and opinions about their issues, not to get grammar lessons or apply for a job.

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I was kidding........

by dafe2 In reply to That's the beauty of a di ...

It was I who replied and I hope you did not missunderstand. (Bad Vibe?)

In fact I thought your (original reply) said it all.

Speaking for myself, I read the post, your (favorites) answer was sufficient, "apotheons" reply (struck) me as hillarious (sorry) but no ill will was intended. As a matter of fact I was actually poking fun at myself...if you had of read my last line.

No offence meant.

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