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Need help upgrading my old computer

By sargeclive ·
hi everybody,
and congratulations for your great website.
i've found help here lots of times previously but its now time to ask my own question because i know, you will save me a lot of time and money.

im thinking of upgrading my old computer. and ofcourse its going to be hard to find the parts i want. The problem is i dont know exactly what parts i need to use.

i want to upgrade my RAM and also buy a new hard drive.

i ll paste you the SIW information, i think it will be the most convenient.

here's the motherboard page:

Property Value
Model Springdale-P

Chipset Vendor Intel Corporation
Chipset Model 82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface
South Bridge 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge
SMBus Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller @0500h

CPU Intel Pentium 4 HT
Cpu Socket Socket 478
Processor Upgrade ZIF Socket

System Slots 5 PCI, 1 AGP

Memory Summary
Location System board or motherboard
Maximum Capacity 4096 MBytes
Memory Slots 4
Error Correction None
Use System memory
Maximum Memory Module Size 1024 MBytes

Warning! Accuracy of DMI data cannot be guaranteed


and here's the memory page:

Property Value
Memory Summary
Location System board or motherboard
Maximum Capacity 4096 MBytes
Memory Slots 4
Error Correction None
Use System memory
Maximum Memory Module Size 1024 MBytes


Device Locator Slot 1
Manufacturer Transcend Information
Serial Number 00000000
Capacity 512 MBytes
Memory Type SDRAM DDR
Speed PC3200 (200 MHz)
Data Width 64 bits
Voltage SSTL 2.5V
Error Correction None
Refresh Reduced (.5x)...7.8 ?s
Manufacturing Date N/A
EPP SPD Support No


Device Locator Slot 3
Manufacturer Transcend Information
Serial Number 00000000
Capacity 512 MBytes
Memory Type SDRAM DDR
Speed PC3200 (200 MHz)
Data Width 64 bits
Voltage SSTL 2.5V
Error Correction None
Refresh Reduced (.5x)...7.8 ?s
Manufacturing Date N/A
EPP SPD Support No

Warning! Accuracy of DMI data cannot be guaranteed

(by the way i think my motherboard is Albatron,
965 tecpro or something :))

ok... what i want to do now
is remove the two memory chips i have and buy 4 new 1gb each.
i also want to add a new HD in the sata bus.

here are my questions:

1. exactly what kind of ram should i be looking for?
2. what is the best type my mb can take?
3.(what is the "Refresh Reduced (.5x)...7.8 ?s" in the memory description? is that bad?)

about the hard drives, i want to add a 500gb sata drive, but i dont know what kind of sata im after. i already have a 36gb WD raptror 10k rpm installed if that helps.

4. what kind of sata drive should i look for?

5. is there some site that you could suggest where i could order all these stuff in europe?

one more secondary question about something i dont understand: in the storage part of SIW i get these results:

Type Vendor Model Size Interface Temperature
Fixed hard disk media Western Digital WDC WD2000JB-00GVA0 200 GBytes IDE ATA 27 ?C (81 ?F)
Direct Access Device Western Digital WDC WD2000JB-32FUA0 200 GBytes IDE ATA
Fixed hard disk media Western Digital WDC WD2500JB-00GVC0 250 GBytes IDE ATA 29 ?C (84 ?F)
Fixed hard disk media Western Digital WDC WD360GD-00FLC0 37 GBytes IDE ATA 33 ?C (** ?F)
DVD Writer NEC _NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A IDE ATAPI
DVD SG7510M SG7510M UGS377L SCSI CdRom Device SCSI

6. why are all my drives labeled as "fixed hard drives" and one of them labeled as "direct access device"? is that bad?
7. ow, and do the temperatures look ok? :)


i would like to thank you in advance. i hope you can help me out as your reply will save me a lot of time and money

keep up the good work guys, i hope u all have a great xmass

cheers
Harry K.

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Not very old.

by Mayhem1969 In reply to Need help upgrading my ol ...

From the specs it doesn't look like your computer is that old. P4 with max 4gb memory, so you should be able to find everything you need.

Your looking for 4 sticks of 1gb sdram ddr with 200 mhz fsb non ecc, otherwise known as PC3200. Not difficult to find from any computer parts website. Crucial and Kingston are reputable, but if you never had a problem with the memory that's in there you could buy the same manufacturer. Don't worry about the refreshed reduced stuff.

As for the SATA drive, it depends on what your looking for or what you want to use it for. The drives you have in there are Western Digital ATA drives. All major hdd manufacturers that make ATA drives make sata drives as well. That includes WD and Seagate, either of which are good.

I can't tell the exact model of your mb from the information provided, although it is a board based on the intel springdale platform that uses the D865 chipset. That mb should support sata hdd.

There are any number of websites you can order this stuff from, including several in the UK.

A fixed drive is one fixed to mb as opposed to a usb drive or other removable mass storage device.

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thanx for the reply

by sargeclive In reply to Not very old.

thanx for your help Mayhem1969
ill go around and look for that memory
actually i have 2x512 on right now so, ill have to remove the old ones and buy 4 new sticks.

about the hard drives.
all of them are internal hard drives, 2 on the hdd IDE bus, one on the cd-rom IDE bus and the 36gb one connected through sata. maybe the drive labeled as fixed is the master on the first bus?
anyway
thing is im kinda confused with sata versions...
there is ata, sata and sata2?
and im looking for a 500gb sata drive for storage right? thats all the features i need to know right?

thanx again mate :)

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Save some money

by IC-IT In reply to thanx for the reply

Your OS will likely not be able to use the entire 4GB. Buy two matching 1GB sticks and add those to banks 2 and 4.
You can check your Motherboard (or system) manufacturer's web site to determine if you have SATA 1 or 2 controllers (ATA is refered to as PATA, IDE or EIDE).

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thanx for your replies

by sargeclive In reply to Save some money

thanx for your replies guys,

ill go ahead and start lookin for parts online.
by the way, are 4gb of ram too much? should i go for less?
wont 4gb be usefull for photoshop or video editing?
ow, and i should have same ram chips in slots 1-3 and 2-4 right? should i go 2x1gb on 1-3 and 2x512 on slots 2-4? or there's no difference if i go the other way around?

hanx again

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Your welcome.

by Mayhem1969 In reply to thanx for the reply

I think you meant the one labeled "direct" drive is the master and your probably right. I don't think it matters. I don't know the exact motherboard model you have, but I doubt it is equipped with SATAII controllers if its the board I think it is.

The ATA drives are the ones you have in there already. Your looking for a SATA drive. You didn't say your OS, but if its at least XPSP2 you shouldn't have a problem with the 500gb hdd. Make sure your up to date. You can get either an internal drive and connect to the remaining SATA controller, except you have three drives in there already which may make it crowded and hot. Or another option is a 500gb external usb hdd.

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looking for ram :)

by sargeclive In reply to Not very old.

ok, here i am again.
i found this Samsung ram on ebay
which is supposed to be 2 dims of 1gb
but it has some spec of high density (128 x 64 configuration.)
and i have no idea what that is... my MB is not included in the list of MB's that the ram is known to work with.
nor my MB manual sais anything about that.

btw, i found my motherboard is: Albatron PX865PEC Pro
(http://www.albatron.com.tw/English/product/mb/pro_detail.asp?rlink=Specification&no=193)
here are the specs of the motherboard and here's the ebay item with the specs of the RAM. (:AAQ:US:11)">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280181216614&sspagename=ADME:AAQ:US:11)

im sooo lost :S

also inside the manual it says this: "it supports DDR266/333 when installed with CPU's thaqt have clock speeds of 133MHz and supports also DDR266/320/400 when installed with CPU's that have CPU clock speeds of 200 MHz"

help me out guys please :)
i got a photoshop work to hand in untill 1/1/2008 and i really need that upgrade fast:S

thanx a lot for every help so far, and thanx in advance for every helo to come :)


here's the SIW info about my CPU:

Property Value
Number of CPU(s) One Physical Processor / One Core / 2 Logical Processors
Vendor GenuineIntel
CPU Full Name Intel Pentium 4 HT
CPU Name Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
CPU Code Name Northwood
Technology 0.13?
Platform Name Socket 478
Type Original OEM processor
FSB Mode QDR
Platform ID 2
Microcode ID 2E
Type ID 0
CPU Clock 2793.05
System Bus Clock -1.0
System Clock 199.50
Multiplier 14.00
Original Clock 2800.00
Original Bus Clock 800.00
Original System Clock 200.00
Original Multiplier 14.00
L2 Cache Speed 2793.05 MHz
L2 Cache Speed Full
CPU Family / Model / Stepping F / 2 / 9
Brand ID 09
HyperThreading 2
L1 T-Cache 12 K?Ops
L1 D-Cache 8 KB
L2 Cache 512 KB

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Not Sure, link came up as sold!!

by ComputerCookie In reply to looking for ram :)

what you want is the same as you already have;

YOUR POST

Device Locator Slot 1
Manufacturer Transcend Information
Serial Number 00000000
Capacity 512 MBytes
Memory Type SDRAM DDR
Speed PC3200 (200 MHz)
Data Width 64 bits
Voltage SSTL 2.5V
Error Correction None
Refresh Reduced (.5x)...7.8 ?s
Manufacturing Date N/A
EPP SPD Support No


Device Locator Slot 3
Manufacturer Transcend Information
Serial Number 00000000
Capacity 512 MBytes
Memory Type SDRAM DDR
Speed PC3200 (200 MHz)
Data Width 64 bits
Voltage SSTL 2.5V
Error Correction None
Refresh Reduced (.5x)...7.8 ?s
Manufacturing Date N/A
EPP SPD Support No

i.e. PC3200/ 400MHZ DDR

It would be easier to go to a shop and buy. Otherwise with Ebay you may get some crap!!!

and you're in a rush.

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