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NT 4.0 Server/Win98 dual boot...Strange?

By smittyrt ·
First of all, thanks for reading this over asked question. I feel I must be overlooking something since I have done this many times successfully in the past. I need to get NT Server 4.0 running on my home machine (studying for 70-06. Here are the specs of that machine:
AMD 700 Duron, 256MB Ram, 30 GB IBM Deskstar drive, WD Caviar 1.5 GB, Geforce2MX video.

I have Win98 on a 4GB FAT32 partition on the 30GB drive. (To get under the 8GB limit of NT SP1). There is a small 600MB FAT partition on this drive so that NT will install. The other drive is formatted FAT. The install program runs and when I reboot the system for the first time during the install...the system hangs at "verifying DMI setup". I have let the system sit for at least 30 min. and still no luck. To get Win98 back I use fdisk to set the active partition back the way it was. Everything seems to be installing (I can see all the drives in Win9 but for some reason NT is not wanting to boot off the 600mb FAT partition. It's under the 8GB limit and the 1024 cylinder....?? I'm definitely bewildered here. Any suggestions? If you need more info...don't hesitate to ask.

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by mpastore In reply to NT 4.0 Server/Win98 dual ...

1st of all the limit of NT 4.0 sp1 is 4 gig, not 8 gig. 4096MB, have you tried ghost ?

Is the systems hanging on the BIOS screen, or the software screen, another words does your bios state updating DMI and then halts.

I need more info ? How many partitions ?, and is NT on the 1st formated FAT partition ?

let me know, later.

Marc A Pastore
(A+ N+ I+ MCP+I MCSE+I CCSE CCNA CNE)

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by jfp51 In reply to NT 4.0 Server/Win98 dual ...

First download the updated ATAPI driver from Microsoft. I think it is here:

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-unsup-ed/fixes/nt40/atapi/ATAPI.EXE

Install using the floppies (not booting from CD) when it asks you to detect additional mass storage adapters, choose Other..., insert your floppy with the ATAPI drivers and then your install should work.

JF Prieur

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by tony.colgrove In reply to NT 4.0 Server/Win98 dual ...

The statements of answer one are missleading. NT4 SP1 is limited to seeing only the first 8G of your drive (the 1024 cylinder limit), NT4 (setup) is also limited to creating a 4G (4096KB) partition, this is because it is first formated in FAT (64K clusters) then converted to NTFS. NT4 is NOT limited to 4G if the partition is format (created) before the install.
On to your problem.. I will assume the 600MB FAT partition is your primary active partition, that the MBR is on.
Although setup should be able to install properly using the standard PCI IDE/ATAPI drivers detected, I would download the NT chipset drivers for your motherboard. ie. if it has the VIA chipset, get those drivers and as answer 2 states, boot from the floppy disks, andsupply the VIA drivers first. If you boot from the CD, NT loads all default drivers first, which detects the motherboard chipset and assigns the generic IDE/ATAPI driver too it, so if you then specify the VIA drivers it says there are no other controller found. Booting from the floppies allows you to supply the MB drivers first, before the autodetect.
Once you get everything running go to www.sysinternals.com, they have utilities that allow you to read FAT32 partitions from NT, and read NTFSpartitions from Win9x.
Have fun and good luck.

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by smittyrt In reply to NT 4.0 Server/Win98 dual ...

Let's see if I can't provide more info:
The first partition on the drive is the 4GB Fat32 for Win98...second primary partition is the 600MB FAT16. The system is halting just before the Win98 or Winnt splash screen appears...at Verifying DMI pool data...... I'm not sure if that is considered the BIOS screen or a DOS screen..my guess is a BIOS screen. I have Partition Magic 5.0 installed in Win98 and I'm thinking that maybe the first partition should be the FAT with winnt boot files on it. I can move stuff around thankfully....is this part of the problem? I'm trying the ATAPI drives and the VIA drivers tonight. Thanks to all for the help....keep it coming!

Randy

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by tatarinov_mike In reply to NT 4.0 Server/Win98 dual ...

Hi Smit!

You say this:
The first partition on the drive is the 4GB Fat32 for Win98...second primary partition is the 600MB FAT16

If I think right - the first boot! partitional is FAT32!
If it's right, - NT CAN'T WRITE OWN
BOOT FILES ON FAT32 PARTITIONAL!!!
YOU MUST HAVE FOR NT BOOT PARTITIONAL ONLY
WITH NTFS OR FAT16 file system.
You may convert with Partition Magic your
FAT32 to FAT16 and it will be all right or
you can temporaly do your FAT16 partitional
like BOOT(active) with FDISK and then install
on it NT, but your computer always will be
boot only NT - if you want to start Win98,
you must run NT disk administrator and set active partitional - your Win98 FAT32 partitional and after reboot will be run Win98.
Whenyou want to start NT from
Win98 - you must boot Win98 to command prompt
and run FDISK and set active partitional - NT
NTFS partitional and after reboot you'll see
Win98.

Mike Tatarinov, Russia.

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by Woody H In reply to NT 4.0 Server/Win98 dual ...

Answer #4 is correct when he mentions the Fat 32 problem with NT. However, there is a way to put Windows 98 on your Multiboot menu. This is how I have done this for many computers. I would take your partition magic, and move your Windows 98 partition, leaving whatever size partition you want to install NT on as the primary DOS partition, formated in FAT, and make it active. Then I would go through the NT install, telling it to install on the first partition. Once your are done installing NT, you are ready to add Windows 98 to your multiboot menu. You need to get a program called Boot Partition. If you can't find it, email me, and I will send it to you. This program will add Windows 98 to your multiboot menu, and it will write a file in your C: root directory telling NT how to handle the Fat 32 partition. Lets assume that on your primary HD, you have the NT partition, and your Windows 98 partition. The NT partition would be partition 0, and your 98 partition would be partition 1. The command line would be:

bootpart 1 Win98.bin Windows 98

Now you will be able to access both NT and 98 from your multiboot menu. You can even convert your Fat partition to NTFS and it will still work. Hope this helps.

Woody

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