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June 21, 2009 at 8:20 am #2215335
NTFS or FAT what should be the choice?
Lockedby sunnyimran · about 14 years, 9 months ago
I simply have a dekstop with pentium D
HDD 250 GB,I wish to partition it in a nice manner, such that i can keep one ( or two OS ), one of which would be XP PRO. and rest of partitions for my various types of data.
having read lot about benefits of NTFS, I am still not clear what should be the choice for me?
one ( or a few ) NTFS partitions for OS’s ?
All partitions NTFS ?Half NTFS and half FAT32?
I do’nt want to utilize file encryption (if) in NTFS
in case of bad events of data corruption, are there good utilities to recover/ repair NTFS partitions?
for FAT32 I know few utilities which directly boot a PC independent of OS and provide recovery/repair environment at very deep level, fat32 file system is easy to understand in those bad days.
please suggest
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June 21, 2009 at 8:20 am #2958698
Clarifications
by sunnyimran · about 14 years, 9 months ago
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Clarifications
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June 21, 2009 at 9:14 am #2958688
re: NTFS or FAT32
by thumbsup2 · about 14 years, 9 months ago
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For the WinXP, you’ll want to use NTFS for performance. However, you don’t want to format it before the install. Let the install do it. Just create the partitions and install it in the first one. After installation, and after you’ve got your anti-virus and all the XP updates/patches installed, let WinXP format the remaining partitions that you want to use for data, again using NTFS for performance. There are plenty of tools available to recover data off of an NTFS partition. Don’t format, or even assign a drive letter, any partition you wish to install other OS’s on.
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February 2, 2012 at 4:35 am #2440792
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by michal101 · about 12 years, 1 month ago
In reply to re: NTFS or FAT32
Hey folk,,
nobody wants to lost the data. But when during the conversion of file system means FAT to NTFS if it corrupts or data be lost then what happened.
One must apply his logic to repair or get back his data. To get back the data you can use third party repair tool like Stellar Phoenix fat ntfs(http://www.stellarphoenixfatntfs.com) recovery tool. You can use it to recover or get back your file system or get back your loss data.
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June 21, 2009 at 9:46 am #2958681
FAT32 Limitations
by thechas · about 14 years, 9 months ago
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Well, I would make any partition for Windows XP be a NTFS volume.
First of all, the Microsoft FDISK utility is limited to around 137 GB for a FAT32 volume. If you have the last update that Microsoft sent out for Windows 98.
If you are formatting your drive with the Windows XP utility, you will be limited to 32 GB per each FAT32 logical drive. You will end up with at least 8 logical drives if you partition a 250 GB drive as FAT32 volumes.
The only exception would be if you plan to dual boot Linux on this system. Then you need to research the file system for the version of Linux you plan to use.
One final note: You do need XP Service Pack 1 or higher to have support for large hard drives.
Chas
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June 21, 2009 at 9:51 am #2958680
see here…
by balge · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to NTFS or FAT what should be the choice?
hi
check here for NTFS vs FAT32 –http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463
probably main consideration is partition size, max in FAT32 is 30GB (also max file size is 4GB)
If you want to run another OS you need the file system to be compatible with that file system and partitioning system
Most advanced repair software works with NTFS
anywayI use one partition for Windows and programs and another for data
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June 21, 2009 at 10:57 pm #2958544
hello
by nensi@nit · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to NTFS or FAT what should be the choice?
according my solution you have to take all NTFS partition
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June 21, 2009 at 11:48 pm #2958534
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by raraschek · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to NTFS or FAT what should be the choice?
years of using XP PRO, I suggest NTFS. The perfomance is better and you will have no problem with the HD size limit. I think there is no advantage to use FAT32 partition on a harddrive.
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June 22, 2009 at 12:07 am #2958528
Choices
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
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You would only need Fat32 if you intended to install Win98 or ME. If that is the case you should install either of them first so that it is set first in the boot priority and on the first Primary Partition. XP will add its Boot files in there as well. Having said that I personally would be installing Win98 or ME into a Virtual Environment………
If you have the XP or Vista DVD you can use DiskPart to build your Partitions and Format them.
When setting up a Dual Boot multi Partition drive I use Diskpart to create two Primary Partitions and set the first one Active.
I like to work in multiples of 4096 so multiply that by 6 or 8 and you have a Primary Partition of 24576 or 32768 depending on what you intend to install on the Primary Partition. The smaller the better as the read and write heads don’t have to travel so far.This is an example using DiskPart with a brand new untouched hard drive.
using DiskPart. For example, from a command prompt, type in these commands and press Enter after each one.
diskpart
select disk 0
clean
create partition primary size=32768
activeMeanings:
diskpart = runs the DiskPart program
select disk 0 = selects the first Hard drive
clean = erases the drive
create partition primary size=32768 = creats the Primary Partition
active = marks the Primary Partition as the Active Partition, BootableNow you can format your partition by typing Format FS=Fat32 for Win98, FS=NTFS for XP
To creat another Primary Partition follow the previous steps omitting a couple.
diskpart
select disk 0
create partition primary size=?size=? = Get the calculator out and make your decisions
Note: type EXIT to exit the diskpart session.
Tip. To find out the physical size of the Drive to help your calculations type: list disk at the DiskPart command prompt.
Read up on the documentation that comes with the software.
Virtual PC 2007 Release Notes
http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/4/c/44ccd131-67fb-4224-a96e-193be1765b43/relnotes.htm
Download the full version of Microsoft Virtual PC 2007
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June 22, 2009 at 5:40 am #2958452
FAT32 vs. NTFS – Depends on end use.
by charles bundy · about 14 years, 9 months ago
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In your case if it’s just a vanilla desktop WinXP install go with NTFS. Several open source tools exist to work with NTFS file systems (NT Offline Password/Registry editor, SysRescue)
FAT32 is typically faster than NTFS at the expense of security. Size wise FAT32 supports up to 2TB and some of my media recorders require FAT32 for streaming. I think the folks who are quoting GB limits on partitions might mean there are FDISK limitations on partition creation, not FAT32 limits. 🙂
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June 22, 2009 at 7:51 am #2958384
After many replies….
by sunnyimran · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to FAT32 vs. NTFS – Depends on end use.
First of all thanks to all you guys for peeking in,
almost all choice go for NTFS here. I am convinced to use NTFS at least for system partition.
be patient, a long story starts here >>>
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previously
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one of my PC in last 8 years is Intel P4 1.8Ghz,512MB RAM, two 80GB drives, normally with only winXP PRO, but sometimes install UBUNTU 8.2/MANDRAKE 9/…. on 2nd drive’s ( slave normally)it gives me freedom of ‘keeping two lions in separate cages’ ( winxp and ….) there food and messes also become separate
when i need to taste ubuntu/…, i can easily swap drive 0 and 1 and make little changes, and it is there.
due to FAT32 all partitions accessible in both situations. I know NTFS is also accessible in LINUX, but LINUX partitions not in XP
black outs (sometimes) while this system is running XP,on the next boot i always face SCANDISK
which i never skip, let it work and boot to normal XP again.
sometimes system fails to boot due to corruption in drive bot areas r registry corrupt, i have various tools to peek in depth ( if neccessary) FAT32
repair MBR, boot sector, registry, ..and everything is back to normalI usually keep some recent work in my XP desktop ( temporarily), if system does’nt boot properly, i have tools to access my desktop outside XP and collect my things.
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on my DELL OPTIPLEX 745, intel P-D 3.0 GHz presler, 1GB RAM, Q965 chipset, …..250GB HDD
======================—please shed some light now ————–>
I did’nt get two 120GB drives, unlike before, due to price difference much higher in two 120GB then one 250GB.
I would use new OS choices on this DELL, win 7 , win Vista, UBUNTU but initially XP.1- few LARGE parttitions are better ——–OR——– more small partiotns in this case?
( currently: one whole primary NTFS partition shows 232GB in winxp on 250GB drive,thinking of roughly 15 partitions of 15 GB each, first two partitions for two OS’s )2- Pentium-D is 64bit CPU, so putting winXP 64-bit would be and advantage?
3- NTFS has more disk accesses than FAT 32?
(when you access many files in bulk, e.g. aggressive search in whole HDD, NTFS updates its logs too often unlike FAT32.)4- does NTFS has some tolerance for HDD corruption on frequent black outs and power fails while system is running ?
Well thanks for reading this far
mdimran1
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June 22, 2009 at 8:00 am #2958382
NTFS Does not corrupt easily
by slayer_ · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to After many replies….
NTFS does not write data until it is ready, it won’t start writing and wait for a process, thus locking a file open for an extended time. It will gather all information then in one motion write it.
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June 23, 2009 at 5:47 pm #2758259
OS Partitions
by thechas · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to After many replies….
IMHO, 15 GB is too small for an OS partition. I would seriously consider going with 64GB or so for each OS.
But, if you normally end up with 5 GB or so of free space on a 15GB OS partition, it could work.
Keep in mind that at least for the OS partition, Windows does need to have a minimum of 4 GB of free space or 20% of the hard drive if the drive is larger than 20GB.
If you want to be able to do a good post mortum when Windows crashes, your page file or virtual memory on the boot drive MUST be at least as large as physical memory.
For partitions under 20 GB, I would say the choice is yours for NTFS versus FAT32. You know how you plan to use the drive and what works for that usage.
As to the 64 bit version of XP. Unless you have 64 bit software that you need to run, I would stick with the 32 bit version.
I usually find that system crashes are related to running out of memory. Real or virtual. If your OS partition is too small, you may not have enough virtual memory space. Also if you install and uninstall application software a lot, you can create memory leaks.
Chas
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June 22, 2009 at 6:52 pm #2957178
RE: After many replies
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to NTFS or FAT what should be the choice?
1- You will end up getting lost with 15 Partitions. I would personally purchase a Hard drive for each Operating System and use a Bootloader to switch between them or Use a Virtual Environment.
You can have four Primary Partitions.
By replacing one of the four primary partitions with an extended partition, you can then make an additional 24 logical partitions within the extended one. The table below illustrates this.Partition Table
Primary Partition #1
Primary Partition #2
Primary Partition #3
Primary Partition #4 (Extended Partition)
Logical Partition #1
Logical Partition #2 and so on…2- Source your software that you will be using before going down this track. There is no sense installing 64bit if you can’t find anything to run.
3- NTFS file system provides for greatly increased security, file?by?file compression, quotas, and even encryption. Another good reason to choose NTFS over FAT 32 is the stability of the file system. NTFS handles space management much more efficiently than FAT32. Cluster sizes play an important part in how much disk space is wasted storing files. NTFS provides smaller cluster sizes and less disk space waste than FAT32.
4- Any Operating system on any Hard drive can suffer from a sudden power outage. The answer to that is to use an (UPS) Uninteruptable Power Supply.
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June 23, 2009 at 5:50 pm #2758258
Just add
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to RE: After many replies
that there were a few more Helpful replies. Thanks for the Thumbs.
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June 25, 2009 at 12:45 am #2756763
NTFS Imaging?
by sunnyimran · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to NTFS or FAT what should be the choice?
Well having had much discussed on NTFS,
Please suggest some good imaging softwares which works on NTFS
I am used to GHOST for CREATE <----> RESTORE bootable images of Windows OS with FAT32.
THANKS
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June 25, 2009 at 3:21 am #2756748
I used to use Ghost as well but now I use ImageX
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
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anyway here is a list of freebies and an extra bit thrown in.
The HDClone Free Edition
http://www.miray.de/products/sat.hdclone.html#free
http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/backupandimage.shtml
http://www.gmgsystemsinc.com/fau/
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115587
Tip: Don’t forget to do the Pagefile mod to turn it off and later turn back it back on Shutdown to save a bit of space in the Image. Local Security Settings, Local Policies, Security Options, Shutdown: Clear virtual memory pagefile.
A bit more advanced but also free and great for a complete backup.
The capture and restore commands are in the link below. If you want to be able to do this yourself download and install the AIK.
Quick and dirty guide to create PE boot key and capture/apply images using imagex
What is ImageX?
With a decent size USB drive you can capture and save the Operating System to a USB drive.
Read the .chm help files in the AIK
The Vista Recovery CD can read from USB.
The Windows Vista Recovery CD can be used to Boot to a Command Prompt where you can run certain Commands.
Boot from the CD and on the first screen click Next, click Repair your computer, click Next and select Command Prompt.
It does’nt matter if the Default OS is XP it can still be used on XP PRO or Home.
Creating a Windows Vista Recovery CD
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=622
Edit: LOL formatting again
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June 26, 2009 at 1:25 pm #2756569
Wow I wish I could give you several thumbs up for helpfulness!
by charles bundy · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to I used to use Ghost as well but now I use ImageX
Beacuse of you I have discovered HDclone and MS SyncToy! Thank you!
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June 26, 2009 at 1:37 pm #2756566
LOL
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
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only the the OP can award Thumbs. But I’m glad that I was able to help. 😉
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June 26, 2009 at 1:53 pm #2756559
send money !!!
by computechdan · about 14 years, 9 months ago
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the poor bugger is umemployed
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June 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm #2756555
ROFLMAO
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
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Thanks for the thought. 😉
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June 26, 2009 at 10:50 pm #2756498
NTFS
by oz_media · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to NTFS or FAT what should be the choice?
Anything from Win2K onward, your best bet is NTFS. FAT is far to limited, I didn’t think anyone still used FAT partitions.
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