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pagefile

By STM ·
DEFRAG shows me several (3) large blocks of unmovable files, that I take to be Pagefile.
However, I specified 'NO PAGEFILE' in System Tools. What's more System information shows me the following:
Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 835.05 MB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
Page File Space 3.63 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

Can anybody help out please?

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What do you mean, you specified 'No Pagefile' ? ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to pagefile

Where did you specify that within System Tools?

The normal route to disabling the Pagefile is:

Start > right click 'My Computer' > select Properties > select 'Advanced' [TAB] > under Performance heading, click 'Settings' button > click 'Advanced' [TAB] > in Virtual Memory area, click 'Change' button > click beside 'No Paging File' > click 'Set' > click 'OK' > click 'OK' > click 'OK'.

NOW, when you invoke a defragmentation routine, the Pagefile is no longer active and can be defragged as well.

As to the other blocks you are seeing, one of them is the reserved space for the System Files (the files that are currently being used for Windows).

Depending on what type of computer you have, you didn't specify, the other block is probably your Hibernation File.

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re.:What do you mean, you specified 'No Pagefile' ? ...

by STM In reply to What do you mean, you spe ...

Sorry... I'm running XPpro SP3. Hibernation switched off (it never was on)
As you described above I have done in order to do a defrag, prior to that I always had only one chunk of unvovable files.
After I done the defrag(during which there still was the block of unmovable files, and I took to be normal) I turned the paging file back on as it was before --> System managed.
At the next and susequent defrags I noticed that there were now three chunks of unmovable files
thanks for replying
cheers

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Just guessing here.....

by ThumbsUp2 In reply to re.:What do you mean, you ...

Chances are the first block of unmovable files are the original install, the second block is probably the SP3 files which wouldn't fit in the first block and, of course, the third block is the pagefile created when you turned it back on.

No matter what you do, as long as you defrag from within windows itself, there will always be at least one block of unmovable files.

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Yup, that makes sense. I have also seen systems where ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to Just guessing here.....

When the Pagefile is revoked from within system properties, and also in some cases when the hibernation capability is turned off - it is necessary for the user to physically delete pagefile.sys & hiberfil.sys before they are freed up from the system.

When I turn mine off they don't automatically disappear - they just remain on the drive.

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Yep... and....

by ThumbsUp2 In reply to Yup, that makes sense. I ...

You can even set your security settings to always empty the pagefile on shut down, yet that block on the hard drive will still be immovable until you physically delete it. It's kind of like pouring the water out of the glass. Even though the glass is now empty, it's still there occupying space waiting for you to fill it up again.

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Use a 3rd party defrag if you want to defrag system files...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to re.:What do you mean, you ...

A defragmentation program like Diskeeper or Perfect Disk (or any number of other programs) will let you defrag at boot, thereby accessing system files that would otherwise be resident in memory when Windows is running.

You cannot defrag any file that is already resident in memory, because when it is written back to disk the defrag will have relocated it's position on the hard drive - causing the system to crash.

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by STM In reply to Use a 3rd party defrag if ...

Hi all, thanks for your replies and suggestions.
Unfortunately the 'problem' still persists. I've done a defrag with Sysinternal's PageDefrag at bootup with pagefile disabled and enabled (respectively).
Here's the System Information:
OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name BLUEYONDER
System Manufacturer GBT___
System Model AWRDACPI
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~2612 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date Award Software International, Inc. FD, 2005/08/19
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale South Africa
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)"
User Name BLUEYONDER\Stephan
Time Zone South Africa Standard Time
Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.03 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
Page File Space 2.86 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys
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I wanted to delete the pagefile but couldn't--> there's none!
I checked in Folder Options that hidden files and folders are shown, looked in the rootdrive and ran a search.....nada, nix, zip!
It's not a trainsmash as such,the PC works just fine, but it irks me. Surely there should be a physical pagefile somewhere when System Information says there is?
cheers

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All fixed up

by STM In reply to pagefile

firstly, re. my previous post, I missed the setting 'Hide protected system files' in Folder options. I unchecked it and promptly found pagefile.sys and then proceeded from there successfully.
Thanks guys for your input

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