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By FluxIt ·
What is the essential nature of information technology? That is to say what it is that makes IT, IT? Is there a virtue to IT? That is to state is there a natural truth to the being and character of IT? Can IT professionals think in philosophical terms?

Here is some basic background. There are 4 kinds of numbers; real, imaginary, complex, and surreal. Everything can be mathematically modelled and there is intelligent design to our universe. It takes more information to cause the universe than the universe can hold.

What are your views?

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Information is apart from the object it operates on providing the nature of that object. There are two kinds of objects; tangible and intangible. An object exists solely through awareness and cannot exist without information regarding its nature. So the minimal amount of information regarding an object is its state of existence. Therefore, the being of information is closely coupled with an object for which it provides the nature of that object and in essence becomes that object.

Regarding the character of information. Information is the essence of an object by providing the nature of an object. Therefore, information while apart from an object assumes the identity of the object. Information can also assume the identity of the non-existent and provide the nature of the non-existent. Therefore the character of information is such that it becomes the essence of that which is intended to be.

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The earliest IT.


The earliest information technology was Stone Age art. Cave paintings were an attempt to record an idea so that people who came later, even after the death of the painter, could access the idea. Carved figures also carried information, although not as explicitly as paintings.

This makes information technology -- what -- at least 25,000 years old?

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by FluxIt In reply to The earliest IT.

essence of those paintings? Did they convey laws or fictional stories?

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The essence of the paintings

by DC_GUY In reply to WHAT WAS THE...

Like any art they can be analyzed at several levels.

The most obvious is pure representation. They depicted humans hunting prey animals. At this level the painting was simply a record of an actual event. Just as, at its most basic level, a computer is a recording device.

But everyone speculates about the deeper meanings of the cave paintings. We know from other artifacts found at Meso- and Neolithic sites that the people of those eras had a sense of spirituality. A cave painting could have been an attempt to make something happen by showing the goddess a picture of it -- a successful hunt. Or an attempt to channel the spirit of the speedy horse or the brave bison into the members of the tribe by focusing it on the cave wall. Or an attempt to hasten spring by paying homage to it in the dead of winter.

Clearly we're simply applying what we know about the few Neolithic people still living among us to try to understand people somewhat like them who lived twenty or thirty thousand years earlier and were completely untouched by even the ghosts of the surrounding Industrial Era civilization.

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Earlier than cave paintings.......

by Choppit In reply to The earliest IT.

DNA has been around for billions of years and still continues to allow transferral of information. As far as I know there's nothing that even comes close to matching its storage density.

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by FluxIt In reply to Earlier than cave paintin ...

may be far more complex than DNA.

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The First IT People were mathematicians

by Black Panther In reply to PHILOSOPHICAL VIEWS OF IT

The early days of IT began with the Mathematicians. They introduced the Internet by "joining" Universities together with the almighy UNIX systems.

I know some people may take offence but if you had to "stereo-type" the early profession imagine a "grey bearded nutty professor who play chess well, usually "dorky" or "geeky", pretty poor communication skills but very factual.


**Over 20 years in IT***

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that a few IT pros out there might be thinking like Socrates, Plato, or Aristotle. Typically, philosophers think in terms of:

Virtue: A particularly efficacious, good, or beneficial quality; advantage.

Essence: The intrinsic or indispensable properties that serve to characterize or identify something.

Recently, I read a series of lecturers a Computer Scientist gave on IT, God, and the character of the Universe. In all six lectures he philosophized about IT. It would be interesting to hear other IT professionals thoughts.

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by FluxIt In reply to I WAS HOPING...

It takes more information to construct the universe than the information within the universe.

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by FluxIt In reply to I WAS HOPING...

Randomness is an intrinsic property 'built into' the universe. As an outcome, the future is unpredictable. Even using the best nonlinear models we can understand the behavior of systems but we cannot predict exact outcomes.

The Bible speaks of two senses of predestination; a strict and moderate view. Is God when acting in this universe bound by his own creation mathematically as we are?

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