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    • #2671758

      www.crn.com/components/Nl/direct/article.asp?ArticleID=46360

      by pgm554 ·

      In reply to Politically Correct PC’s?

      The correct URL (love them xtra space in c&p on this site)

      Here’s a copy of the actual letter that was sent out by L/A. County: Subject: IDENTIFICATION OF EQUIPMENT SOLD TO LA COUNTY The County of Los Angeles actively promotes and is committed to ensure a work environment that is free from any discriminatory influence be it actual or perceived. As such, it is the County’s expectation that our manufacturers, suppliers and contractors make a concentrated effort to ensure that any equipment, supplies or services that are provided to County departments do not possess or portray an image that may be construed as offensive or defamatory in nature. One such recent example included the manufacturer’s labeling of equipment where the words ”Master/Slave” appeared to identify the primary and secondary sources. Based on the cultural diversity and sensitivity of Los Angeles County, this is not an acceptable identification label. We would request that each manufacturer, supplier and contractor review, identify and remove/change any identification or labeling of equipment or components thereof that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive in nature before such equipment is sold or otherwise provided to any County department. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and assistance. Joe Sandoval, Division Manager Purchasing and Contract Services Internal Services Department County of Los Angeles

    • #2671756

      Yup

      by thechas ·

      In reply to Politically Correct PC’s?

      I saw the news report a few weeks ago and could not believe it either.

      Personally, I think it started as someone trying to get some money for nothing.

      The terms master and slave are used throughout industry both mechanical and electrical.
      Many vehicles with hydraulic clutches have a master and slave clutch cylinder.

      All cars have master brake cylinders.

      Servo motor systems have a master and a slave.

      I wish I knew where this PC lunacy will end.

      Chas

      • #2671688

        Homophobic cables…

        by road-dog ·

        In reply to Yup

        Henceforth, all cables must be able to be connected male to male and female to female, as failure to do so demonstrates inability to accept same sex relationships.

        Any bid to supply products must include testing where all cables and interfaces demonstrate proper operation regardless of pin/socket contact. Any failure of a device such as inoperability, fire, or destruction of device are disqualified from selection for homophobia, as the vendor obviously cannot accept that all connections are equal, regardless of gender. Further, all cables must operate properly regardless of their connection between devices. A monitor that fails to operate properly when connected to an ethernet port is demonstrative of the manufacturer’s failure to embrace diversity.

        • #2670602

          actually…

          by john_wills ·

          In reply to Homophobic cables…

          Two humans of the same sex cannot connect in the way associated with two humans of different sexes. Those of different sexes can copy gays (buggary, fellatio, frottage), but two of the same sex cannot copulate, for the same reason that a male cable contact cannot connect with another male cable contact.

        • #2670553

          Biology Class

          by cactus pete ·

          In reply to actually…

          You’re right – that’s the way it is for humans. But many others in the animal [and others] kingdom will change sex if necessary, or don’t have a particular “sex” as you might define it for humans.

        • #2672131

          cable interfacing

          by john_wills ·

          In reply to Biology Class

          Are there cables with contacts which can be changed between male and female? If so, I imagine that the connecting cable’s contact must, at least for the duration of the coupling, be of the other sex.

    • #2671689

      Politically correct absurdity …

      by jardinier ·

      In reply to Politically Correct PC’s?

      When I was a teenager I was frankly shocked by the terms “male” and “female” plugs, or connectors.

      I can see no point in even taking the “master/slave” issue seriously. The terms “master” and “slave” are common terms in the English language, and if someone wants to “read into” these terms some personification which was never intended or implied, then the problem is with the person and not with the particular application of the term.

      I am wondering how long it takes before someone wakes up to the fact that “email” a sexist term.

      Surely if you can have ’emails (silent “h”) you should also be required to have “shemails.”

      There is a place for political correctness, but it is becoming sillier each day. Recently I learned in a restaurant that there are no longer waiters and waiters, as these people are now collectively known as “wait persons.”

      Perhaps soon someone will come up with a politically correct term to eliminate the discriminiation between terms for male and female genitals. [genitalia does not meet the standard as it is more of a medical term].

      Oh, and by the way, PC is a politically incorrect term in itself. It is of course an acronym for “Personal computer” and so should also cover Macintosh personal computers.

      • #2671644

        shemails or shemales

        by mrbill- ·

        In reply to Politically correct absurdity …

        There are shemales so we can not use that term or we will be sued by the hermaphrodites and transexual comunities.

      • #2670836

        It will become

        by jimhm ·

        In reply to Politically correct absurdity …

        It will become the “Plug thing-a-ma-ju” and the “Receptor-thing-a-ma-bob” — or the “Who-da-watda-dig” or “do-hicky” or “that aminal thing” –

        Hello – world – these people in California need to get a life – I guess over there the only thing to worry about is – That silly Master / Salve thing… no guns – no drugs – no other problems – its all green hills and peaceful fields of clover they are dancing through…

        • #2670828

          I do agree with…..

          by jkaras ·

          In reply to It will become

          your post that this is getting out of hand, but this isnt just a California thing. Everyone nation wide has embraced politically correctness as a means to elevate themselves from their mundane existence or a payday. People know the difference between good and bad behavior, they merely choose to act like iddiots. Proper behavior is taught in the home not by a mantra.

      • #2670811

        Waiters and waitresses …

        by jardinier ·

        In reply to Politically correct absurdity …

        I have only just noticed that I wrote “waiters and waiters” instead “waiters and waitresses.” But it appears that others have recognised this as a typo, and gleaned my intended meaning.

      • #2670600

        education

        by john_wills ·

        In reply to Politically correct absurdity …

        No, no, Jules! “e” is for electronic. For political correctness we require both email and efemail.

        • #2670598

          e/education

          by john_wills ·

          In reply to education

          The title of the preceding post is not what I wrote. I wrote “e” and found when I had closed it that “education” had appeared. There must be some kind of default extension going on.

      • #2672208

        Let’s not mention Christmas

        by hereinoz ·

        In reply to Politically correct absurdity …

        Jules, I notice that there are many USA organisations who do not mention the word Christmas, for (apparently) fear of offending the non-Christians. Check out (for one instance) http://www.traderslibrary.com
        You will see graphics of presents and holly and all that stuff, but no mention of the “C” word. And that isn’t the only situation.

        Perhaps if all the people on this fair planet could stop taking themselves too seriously and realise we are here for a good time, but not a long time, much of this political nice-speak would cease!!

        Cheers,
        Alan (in beautiful downtown Adelaide)

        • #2672196

          website not helpful …

          by jardinier ·

          In reply to Let’s not mention Christmas

          I could not find the material you referred to at the website which you gave. Can you provide a website which demonstrates the subject more clearly?

          [My first view of Adelaide was from Mt Lofty, at night, and no-one had told me what to expect. Wow!]

        • #2671061

          It is an absence

          by hereinoz ·

          In reply to Let’s not mention Christmas

          Hi Jules,

          It is more of an absence of the word christmas rather than a presence of anything. You will notice that the website referred to has all the Christmas finery and look about it, but no mention of the word Christmas.

          As another example, I produce emails for a group of companies, one of which has a USA ownership, and we create the same email and change the graphics to fit each company, but the content is basically the same.

          With the client who is USA owned, we are not allowed to mention the word Christmas in the e-mail, so if we do use christmas in an e-mail, we then need to change the particular e-mail for this company to say Holidays or something similar.

          I believe it is because people get offended being wished a merry christmas when they are not christians.

          Hell, I’ll take a happy anthing, whether it be christmas, ramadan, chinese new year, I don’t care, but apparently some people get offended.

          I have noticed this absence of the word christmas on many US sites.

          I hope I have explained it well.

          And yes, the lights are pretty special!

          Alan

    • #2671681

      OMFG!

      by joseph moore ·

      In reply to Politically Correct PC’s?

      See, I am not the best at being PC anyway!
      Come on, people! We are not trying to remind anyone of times in history when intolerance and hatred were the norm.
      We are just trying to get a couple of hard drives to work on the same IDE cable here!

      I can’t stand the lunacy….

    • #2671658

      I guess – LogON and LogOFF – and others could be considered

      by jimhm ·

      In reply to Politically Correct PC’s?

      I guess the terms “LOGON”, “LOGOFF”, “HARDDRIVE” and some other words could be considered Sexual and should also not be used. Or Bite – Nibble – Monitor – “Flat Screen” –

      The US is spinning into the Black Whole – of Stupidity – thanks to our Liberal Judges and Laws… And Gee where did that come from – California – can’t wait till the Big One – and they all Become their own Island… or fall in to the Ocean…

      • #2671625

        To quote Bill Hicks

        by madroxxx ·

        In reply to I guess – LogON and LogOFF – and others could be considered

        And then we will have Arizona Bay.

      • #2670783

        Not laws and judges

        by thechas ·

        In reply to I guess – LogON and LogOFF – and others could be considered

        The root problem is not the laws and the judges.

        It is the change of focus in education.

        The sad reality of mandatory student testing is that the schools now focus on training students to pass the expected test questions.

        Only a very few students manage to learn to think.
        Even fewer develop any form of common sense.

        It does not help that far to many parents scream at the teacher and the school board when their little darling does not get an A, just because they did not work for it.

        The root problem with education IS NOT the schools and the teachers. It is the lack of involvement and support from parents.

        Yes, charter and private schools do produce graduates with a higher average level of intelligence.
        Keep in mind though that these schools have few if any problem students. And, the parents are heavily involved in their child’s education.

        The answer to the growing ills of society is concerned and caring parents who are willing to take the time to teach their children to think!

        Chas

        • #2670615

          You mean to tell me that the Public Liberal schools in America r failing?

          by jimhm ·

          In reply to Not laws and judges

          Oh – come on you trying to tell me the the Government Liberal School and those great teachers employeed are failing our children. Not teaching them – but indoctranating them into the Liberal mind set of the Left Wing?

          Tell me it aint so ….

          Just kidding – Today the parents just toss the kid off to the school system – here you teach him right from wrong – here you teach her morality (BJ’s is not sex) – here you educate my kid to get out of school, but can’t pass a college entrance exame.

          If you want a good education for kids – the parent needs to be involved, watching the system, checking homework, instilling morale and values that the parents believe in, ensuring the kids are disciplined – the parents of today are lazy – or overworked or just don’t care….

          But – you still have to pay taxes to keep these deadbeat teachers employeed – the buildings open – sporting activities (football, basketball, on and on) Johnny can’t read but boy can they run for that touchdown….

          It isn’t what the late great Billary said – “It takes village to raise a child..” what it does take “Is Loving concerned Parents to raise a child”… Chew on that one Billary..

        • #2672263

          Impressed With my local Public School

          by thechas ·

          In reply to You mean to tell me that the Public Liberal schools in America r failing?

          I had my kids in private school through 8th grade, and was a bit nervous at the move to a public high school.

          I have to admit, that I am very impressed by the teaching staff at my local high school.

          They are both concerned and caring.

          The primary thing holding them back, is the students who’s parents are not involved, and don’t really care.

          Perhaps we should require people pass a parenting test before they can have sex!

          Chas

    • #2671583

      I hope to dear God this is a JOKE

      by mrafrohead ·

      In reply to Politically Correct PC’s?

      Whoever put up that web page is good.

      If government tax dollars go towards that, I’m going to have to sue someone, because that is rididulous. What a freakin waste of skin. JFC. I can’t believe that.

      What would they rather them be named.

      Actually the more that I’m thinking about this, this really is sad. I thought that we were so far beyond this crap. Unbelievable…

      phart

      Mrafrohead

      • #2670837

        Also on CNN site

        by mrbill- ·

        In reply to I hope to dear God this is a JOKE

        I’m sorry but I saw the same story on cnn web page. It is becaming a sad world we are living in.

        http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/11/26/master.term.reut/index.html

      • #2670667

        Follow the money!

        by pgm554 ·

        In reply to I hope to dear God this is a JOKE

        Having worked as a consultant for the insurance industry,the bottom line is MONEY.

        Not only do risk managers have to look at situations that might be dangerous from a workplace perspective,they now have to figure out stategy that protects them from the “PC” demon unleashed upon us by the government and the legal system.

        If there were no chances for financial gain,there would be a whole lot less of this “victim” mentality.
        Litigation gives lawyers a cash cow and politicians get votes from those who feel they are opressed.(take a listen to NPR if you want find out who the opressed group of day is).

        The US ,being far from a homogeneous society,there are those among us that think nothing of using any excuse to gain status and power.
        We used to be a “melting pot”,now diversity seems to be the mantra of the PC sect.

        Look ,I can remember being in East LA,doing an install of a computer system in a health center.I had a question concerning the install.NOBODY spoke english.

        Same thing in San Francisco,I got a service call for a system issue.The only person that spoke english was out to lunch.I asked what was wrong,the reply was “computer no work”.Well gee, could you tell me what doesn’t work?To which the reply was “computer no work”.

        During the great immigration of the late 19th and early 20th century,we did indeed become that melting pot.

        Now ,there is no incentive, and this will come back to haunt us in that lack of nationalism, (a very powerful economic and political tool),will cause our society to fragment into bunch of feudal fiefdoms, always fighting ,and never accomplishing anything of merit.

        • #2670607

          Follow the money!(revised)

          by pgm554 ·

          In reply to Follow the money!

          Having worked as a consultant for the insurance industry, the bottom line is MONEY.

          Not only do risk managers have to look at situations that might be dangerous from a
          workplace perspective, they now have to figure out strategy that protects them from the
          “PC” demon unleashed upon us by the government and the legal system.

          If there were no chances for financial gain, there would be a whole lot less of this “victim” mentality.Litigation gives lawyers a cash cow and politicians get votes from those who feel they are oppressed. (Take a listen to NPR if you want to find out who the oppressed group of day is and thank you Mrs. Kroc, for giving these PC clowns more money).

          The US is not a completely homogeneous society and nor should it be, but there are those
          among us that think nothing of using PC as an excuse to gain status and power.

          During the great ?legal? immigration of the late 19th and early 20th century, we did indeed
          become a melting pot.
          The “melting pot? is being dismantled in favor of a diversity concept, which seems to be the mantra of the PC sect

          Look, I can remember being in East LA, doing an install of a computer system in a health
          center(funded by the government). I had a question concerning the install. NOBODY spoke
          English.

          Same thing in San Francisco, I got a service call for a system issue. The only person that
          spoke English was out to lunch. I asked what was wrong, the reply was “computer no work?.
          Well gee, could you tell me what doesn’t work? To which the reply was “computer no work”.

          If there is no incentive to assimilate, this will come back to haunt us. A lack of nationalism, (a very powerful economic and political tool), could cause our society to
          fragment into bunch of feudal fiefdoms, always fighting, and never accomplishing anything
          of merit.

        • #2670596

          integration need not be assimilation

          by john_wills ·

          In reply to Follow the money!(revised)

          Consider Palestine in, say, 1920. There were Bosnians, unrecognizable except for their surnames: assimilated. There were Armenians, a nation within the nation for centuries, but they knew enough Arabic to be part of the higher-level community: integrated, but certainly not assimilated. And various other immigrant groups had intermediate relationships to the dominant culture.

        • #2670549

          The Return of the Archons

          by pgm554 ·

          In reply to integration need not be assimilation

          These two area?s (Balkan?s and the Middle East) are not great examples of how well an integration mechanism works. The last time I looked, they weren?t very socially stable places.

          True, integration is a tool to be used to keep frictions at a minimum, but a long term goal of secular assimilation, (in my opinion) is the best way to keep racial, ethnic, and religious problems at a minimum.

          I come from a small town in Pa. which was populated with the European immigration of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

          Poles, Jews, Russians, Slovaks, Irish, Catholic, all live together with fewer ethnic/religious problems because the ideal was to assimilate.

          They wanted to be Americans, not (insert variable du jour)-Americans.
          The open wounds and ethnic/religious hatred from the old country had been replaced by a new national identity of Americanism.

          I have a degree in Political Science and studied how and why these social mechanisms either have worked or not. Social science is not an exact science (as every 101 course stipulates). But from a pragmatic point of view, assimilation should the standard, not the exception. (Yeah, I know this sound?s a bit like the Landru episode from Star Trek, but?)

    • #2672194

      Feminist movement started the ball rolling …

      by jardinier ·

      In reply to Politically Correct PC’s?

      In my generation, females had no trouble distinguishing whether the masculine pronoun was intended to be generic, or specifically masculine. The difference had to be TAUGHT to them by aggressive feminists.

      So now, as no new generic term has been provided, we have been forced to revert to the gramaticaly incorrect plural, as in “a person does THEIR thing.

      In Australia we have a serious problem as a by-product of sexual harrassment laws. Teachers cannot dare to touch a student in any way. This is particularly frustrating to primary and pre-school teachers, as they cannot give the young child a pat on the shoulder for encouragement, or soothe an upset child with an innocent pat or hug.

      • #2672099

        The ones that I really like

        by hal 9000 ·

        In reply to Feminist movement started the ball rolling …

        Are the ones who insist that they are being demeaned by refering to them as Miss/Mrs or whatever but at the same time will gladly get up and sy they have a Bacolers in XXX from what ever Uni and I just have to laugh at these women. They want to be PC when it suits them but are unwilling to alter the qualifications that they have obtained and see nothing wrong with this.

        Several years ago when I was consulting in the motor sport area we where all told that we could no longer refer to grease nipples as nipples. When I asked why I was informed that as women had nipples it was demeaning to them by a very assute female instructor. I then stated that as all mammels have nipples and we humans where mammels with both genders having nipples just how was this demeaning to the females in our society? The reply was that men did not have nipples so I just pulled up the T-shirt I was wearing and asked what she would call these things on my chest?

        End of that story for the time being but if it had been left unquestioned it would have passes without any trouble.

        • #2671195

          Guess it Nipples are better than calling it

          by jimhm ·

          In reply to The ones that I really like

          I guess – maybe you all should of started calling them a Grease Tit – then Nipple wouldn’t of been so bad … I guess she wanted them called a Grease Fitting –

          People need a live …

    • #2672096

      Not for the easily offended

      by maxwell edison ·

      In reply to Politically Correct PC’s?

      .
      The PC (politically correct) movement was born out of liberalism run amok.

      This may surprise some of you, but in my “political infancy” I was quite the liberal. Robert F. Kennedy was one of my high school heroes, and I literally cried the day he was killed. (“Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream things that never were and say why not.” – RFK) The first vote I ever cast was in 1976 for Democrat Jimmy Carter. I saw the unfairness caused by the racism of the 50s and 60s, and believed that non-whites and women were not treated as equals in many, if not most, aspects of society. I was appalled (even though I laughed) at how “Archie Bunker” behaved, and could relate more to the philosophy of the “Meathead”. But then I grew up.

      A saying that has been incorrectly attributed to Winston Churchill goes something like this. If you’re in your 20s and aren’t a liberal, you don’t have a heart; If you’re in your 40s and you are still a liberal, you don’t have a brain. Not that I fully agree with the saying, but I certainly understand its meaning. Just like anything else, liberalism can take things a bit too far. And making policy decisions based on emotion rather than reason is a consequence, whether it’s intended or not, of taking liberalism too far. In the quest to combat racism, racist tactics were instituted. In the battle to combat the extremists, the combatants became too extreme in their tactics. In the desire to be fair to everyone, unfairness was forced upon someone. And in the crusade to offend no one, we should all be offended.

      In today’s politically incorrect CHRISTMAS season, we should all be reminded of the lunacy of it all. Regardless of one’s religious beliefs, to think that a community can’t display a plastic statue of the baby Jesus in a public setting is pure nonsense.

      Eleanor Roosevelt once said that a person can’t be offended without one’s own consent. Why, oh why, do these lunatics choose to be offended? Why, oh why, do these lunatics practice intolerance in the name of tolerance.

      Political Correctness will continue to rear its ugly head as long as it’s given legitimacy. Just as the extreme right-wing factions are considered whackos, so should the extreme left-wing “politically correct” thought police.

      Mankind should not be a slave to those who wish to be the master of all thoughts.

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