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Praise the Lord

By HAL 9000 Moderator ·
I've just had a 12 hour Vista Brainwashing Session with MS at one of their Certified Partners Roadshows and I'm impressed.

7 versions of Vista coming out as soon as MS can get the code to work and then another 7 versions coming out in 64 Bit so over all that will eventually be 14 versions of Vista for us to play with. B-)

But the really great news is this if you buy a 64 Bit version and load even 1 32 Bit piece of Software the OS will default back to a 32 BIT OS and not work as a 64 Bit OS. ?

For home there are 3 versions

1 Home Basic

2 Home Premium

3Home Ultimate

Small Business


5 Ultimate

Medium to Large Business

6 Business

7 Ultimate

Although I can only see 4 different versions the Sales Guy insisted that they actually have 7 and it will be the Big Business Ultimate Version shipping starting in November Well Maybe but it could be pushed back to December or even February.

Now for the Good News Volume License will only be available on two Versions the Business and Ultimate and Software Assurance will only be available on Ultimate so that sort of limits the opportunities for us all doesn't it?

However as the Sales Guy says Dell, HP and all those guys Will Not Have the Ultimate version so we'll all either be loading White Boxes with Vista Ultimate or buying more Volume Licenses and loading the off the Shelf Stuff if we want to have Software Assurance. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling in the stomach that one. Knowing that MS will be being paid twice for OS's on the one machine. :)

Then there is Office 12 we where given a 60 minute presentation on all it's new features and they have Tags so it's easier to find the tools that you want in the application and they change as you change the work so you always have the necessary tools available.

We where shown Word, Excel & Power Point all with the new interface and Frontpage has gone the way of the Dodo to be replaced with Sharepoint. Then they spent the last 40 minutes showing off Exchange which has the ability to hold more Mail Boxes and more mail but the down side is it only comes in the 64 Bit version so there will be a need for those 64 Bit Versions of Vista which we where told is built on the reliable 2003 & XP Kernels though that bit did lose me slightly, but it was such a fun time that no one bothered asking the obvious question of What The Hell Are You Talking About? Mainly because the Genuine Ferrari NB looked So Nice!

Anyway I'm getting all washed away in the MS BS and I did approach this very nice gentleman and ask him which Processors would be Fully Supported with which version of Vista, That raised a funny look with the expected response All will be supported by our Products. So I pushed a bit harder and asked did that mean that a Pentium Extreme would be fully supported by Vista Home Basic he just gave me a funny look and said Of Course Why did you bother Asking I then explained that a Pentium Extreme was a Dual Core CPU with HTT so it effectively looked like 4 CPU's to the OS not just a single core without HTT and I got a OH Hum! And a really dumb look and he pushed his Ferrari NB at me and said that it works on this as if I was to be impressed by that and ASUS single Core AMD running a 2 GHZ with 1 GIG of RAM. But it was a Nice Red Colour.

So that question remains unanswered I don't know which if any version of Vista will support the Dual Core with HTT or whatever AMD calls their process that effectively does the same thing.

The 2 base models Vista Basic & Premium are Workgroup Only and the rest are Domain Capable though for the life of me I can not see the difference between the Ultimate Small Business and Ultimate Big Business versions but we where told that they where different so it must be so.

I can just see all the Exchange Managers rushing out for Exchange 12 or what ever it ends up being called as being a 64 Bit application it will require an all 64 Bit system to run on and NO 32 Bit programs installed or Vista will default back to a 32 Bit OS. The Do More With Less Marketing push seems to be rubbing more than a bit thin as it now looks as if you'll be pushing Do Less with More as there are no where enough 64 Bit drivers available so MS isn't going to be pushing the 64 Bit OS's until the customers have the available drivers and software then they mentioned Exchange seems that the Right Hand of the Marketing Department doesn't know what the Left Hand is doing but I'm sure that as everyone with current SA will be rushing out to install the new Software when it hits the streets we'll see a Merry Time.

The next Beta Version of Vista should be available in 3 weeks for download along with Office 12 and Exchange 12 all from the same MS Site in the US but that's also flexible as the code is still being written and they where very careful not to use any functions that didn't work. Actually come to think of it we saw very little of anything that had not been prebuilt and it was more of a Show & Tell rather than a genuine show of the new product.

But a few little Gems where dropped things like We are finding 5000 problems per day with the version of Vista that they where using. That alone really instilled confidence in the True Believers while the real people looked Horrified at that little gem.

Parent Controls look great if they actually work as they will not only show where the Children/End Users have attempted to go but everything that they have done on the computer and I do mean Everything I can see a lot of SYS Admins turning this option off for their own stations. After all not many would want it known what e-mails they had received & Sent this includes the complete contents what was in any Instant Messaging that they had received & sent as well as any actual Web Sites that they had attempted to visit and what they had visited and attempted or actually downloaded, then there are the internal Office Documents all are available through the Parental Control option doesn't matter if they where deleted or not by whoever they all remain available to the System Admin or anyone with the Admin Password.

The new Graphics look nice though for the life of me I can not see it being used much and that nasty Start button has been replaced with the MS Pearl so I'll no longer have to have arguments with my Mother as to why I click on Start to shut the thing down. :^0

As MS sees most of the market growth next year being on NB's they are pushing the idea heavily that the Graphics cards will need at least 32 MEG and better if they have 64 MEG even if it's Shared Memory available to run these graphics on your new NB or you just will not see them.

Well Boys & Girls I've seen the Official Presentation and am now making arraignments for a nice long hospital visit to start the Day that Vista gets released so I can have a nice quite time while you lot are tearing your hair out insisting that as 90% of the people use Windows it's Best and finding all the little problems that where patched in XP and have been left open in Vista.

The other big announcement was that every 24 months MS is going to be rolling out a Major Release from now on and Vista is the Basis of the next 10 years of Windows so about 24 months after Vista Hits the streets you'll all see a Major Service Pack and the another 24 months latter there will be a replacement Version of Windows to replace Vista that's of course if MS can get their act together and do it properly even if the new release is only a re-badged copy of the previous version so they can keep the income stream coming in. With the 4 yearly replacement to their Flagship OS Windows.

Now remember that Vista as it stands now represents 1,000,000 Man Years of Work so hopefully it might part way work even in the stripped down versions that well be seeing sometime starting from November on wards to the unknown release date. :^0

Edit All the above quoted figures are supplied directly from MS and while I don't necessarily believe everything the numbers are interesting and frighting. So don't pick on me if you consider the figures wrong that are directly from the MS Presenters.

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by Jaqui In reply to Praise the Lord

and here I thought you was gonna post a relious thread.
and I was gonna post a funny

heck, I'll post the funny anyways. ]:)

You do realise that Jesus was GAY don't you?

After all, what straight guy would say:
"Get Thee behind me Satan" ]:)

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Yeah but you didn't finish the expression, he said .............

by sleepin'dawg In reply to awwwwww

"Get Thee behind me Satan
and give me a push."

Dawg ]:)

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Sorry about that Mate

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to awwwwww

But after 12 hours of being locked in a convention room with all those MS Junkies That's exactly what I said as I was kneeling down on the carpet kissing the floor as I escaped.

Col ]:)

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by Old Guy In reply to awwwwww

That was completely uncalled for and in fact was rather insidious even for you! Whether you believe in Christianity or not you have no reason to make statements such as that towards any Deity. I have been able to give you the honor of disagreeing with my beliefs as a Christian but you have gone too far on this one. I would expect a decent person to apologize for a statement such as you made but I don?t see how someone as low as you just went to have the ability or common decency to even realize you should apologize.

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sure thing

by Jaqui In reply to Jaqui,

as soon as christianity apologizes to the millions of people it has abused for 200 years, and pays damages for the abuse.
burning at the state, the spanish inqusition, the forced conversion, the persecution of all other religions.

christianisty is the least tolerant religion.
says it's about love, yet preaches hatred for everything non christain.

I posted it, stating it was meant humourous, if you are offended, that is your problem, the insistence of christains in trying to get everyone else to share their mistaken beleif structure is an insult to everyone they try forcing their beleifs on.

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You failed to mention

by pennatomcat In reply to sure thing

the practice of protecting and enabling priests who molest our children. Yes, I'm a FORMER Catholic.

By the way, is Bill Gates the AntiChrist?

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just because

by jdclyde In reply to You failed to mention

you seem to have been molested as a child, does not excuse you confusing that Christian does not equal Catholic.

Sorry about the childhood.

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Sorry about touching that raw, open nerve and

by pennatomcat In reply to just because

sorry about your personal problems.

On the second point, I agree that Christian does not equal Catholic. Last time I checked, though, Catholic did equal christian. I suppose that depends on your own narrow views, though.

This world would be a much better place if people would quit trying to impose their own narrow-minded views on each other. I believe that Jaqui already explained this point.

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And speaking of narrow-minded

by jdclyde In reply to Sorry about touching that ...

When you start making generalizations, you generally are wrong. (did you follow that?)

This would be like a rape victom claiming that all men are evil and should die. A stupid thing to say, just like what you said WAS a stupid thing to say.

There are always bad people in any organization, but they don't represent the whole.

Yes, I agree there is corruption in the ADMINISTRATION level of the Catholic Church and they should have their feet held to the fire with criminal prosecution for each and every infraction, either by the culprits or anyone that helped cover it up. Just like anyone in life, the few bad people do not make an organization bad.

Do you so openly condemn each and every Muslim then? Instead of molesting children, they just cut your head off. Or do you realize that there are people in each group that need dealt with?

My personal problem? Not a Catholic, and not the one molested as a child. I am doing good.

Who is trying to impose their views on you in your daily life? Christians beating on your door telling you to repent? Somehow I doubt it.

Get help for your anger management issues.

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by mordacity In reply to You failed to mention

Bill Gates can't be the Antichrist, because the Bible says the Antichrist will be well-liked.

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