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By Sandman28 ·
Howdy guys,

I up till a week ago had a P4 3 Ghz Cpu in my comp while parents had a core2 duo 2Ghz. Anyway I swapped both of them over as some of the games i now play have a minimum requirement of 2Ghz dual core and I was going to overclock it. Originally I got the-

CPU is unworkable or has been changed. Please recheck - CPU SOFT MENU

-error at startup and so had to go into bios and just set the processor details manually (I made sure the details are correct) and then even tried overclocking it and got it to speeds of 2.4. However using the operating system the computer would boot up get past the welcome screen then sorta freeze/stop for ages and then load everything (msn and such) really quickly(all at once) after the pause. At this point I was like hmmm I'll change it back to normal speed.

Similarly with other programs (opening Feedgator, dvdshrink, using draw pad in msn, itunes especially) i would click to open them and then the computer would appear to be computing but was in actual fact sorta frozen, I could alt+tab to other processes (I.E Firefox and such) but the taskbar would not respond and if I opened Itunes from start menu the start menu would remain there plastered across my screen not doing anything.

I have applied the hotfix for improving Dual core in xp and doen the other steps associated with it.

Cheers
Sandman28

Specs:
IB9 mobo
2gb ddr2 ram
2*360gb HDD + 50gb Xp partiton drive
8500GT card
XP Pro SP2

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Please go back into the bios..

by Peconet Tietokoneet-217038187993258194678069903632 In reply to Problems with CPU

And click on "Load default drivers" then "save and exit".

Please post back if you have any more problems or questions.

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yeh I tried that... well sorta...

by Sandman28 In reply to Please go back into the b ...

Yeh, sorry for the wait since last reply, have been quite busy.

Had done it before but decided to try again to rule it out and so I went back into the BIOS, I dont think my bios has load default drivers but it has something which I assume is the equivilant, 'Load optimum defaults' and 'load fail-safe defaults' are these correct? well either way tried both on seperate attempts and then during boot it threw the 'Cpu is unworkable or has been changed - Please see CPU softmenu' error thingo at me.

Any other ideas?

Cheers

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When you get this message then you need to..

by Peconet Tietokoneet-217038187993258194678069903632 In reply to yeh I tried that... well ...

Access your bios again and set the processor (in the processor section) to "enable", in all sections make sure they are set to "Enable". Because this processor is more than "one" it has to have a different instruction set in the bios, that is why it is giving you this message.

Please post back if you have any more problems or questions.

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yep

by Sandman28 In reply to When you get this message ...

Howdy,

Before I noticed your new post I went and updated my bios to latest version and then it seems not to have that problem now (no error code), however the o/s still seems to hang for long perios of time then do everything really quickly.

eg booting- windows welcome screen is fine then I log in, once in, only a few things start in the taskbar (lan notification, realtek audio) and I can start up Ie although it takes some time, however I can not do any browsing of computer files and the start menu will hang if I try and open anything from it.
After about 2 mins or so all at once, msn/zone alarm and other programs will load and then the computer will be fully operational until i try and load some programs (itunes, office ect). Any ideas?

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event viewer

by acracker In reply to yep

Hmm, that sounds like a problem with Windows itself. I know my Vista computer takes a few minutes to become fully operational after I log in. Perhaps there is some service that is slowing down your computer's boot process?

I'd check the event viewer, go to Start->Run and type in 'eventvwr.msc' (w/o quotes) and then check through all the events there. You might find that a service is failing to start, in which case you can probably just disable it.

If you find anything suspicious, copy and past it into a reply so we can work it out.

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some interesting results

by Sandman28 In reply to event viewer

Howdy

Well I tried once again overclocking my CPU and changing the voltage values following some online guides and got it running at 2.6ghz each core which was stable and when i booted seemed to remove a lot of the wait (but i only booted it once in this setting so it may be a fluke) anyway when booted up the computer today it has for some reason automatically changed back to 2ghz and the slow load and then the system hang for opening itunes/other apps appeared again.

So I followed your advice and looked in event viewer, found nothing remarkable for the **most recent** boot, but just kept scrolling and found some recurring errors and then after scroling down further found a whole page worth of errors, anyway will attemp to post them here:

Recurring Errors
1)

Faulting application nvcplui.exe, version 1.5.30.38, faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, fault address 0x05ba2b94.

2)

The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( STVMSJavaNTService ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and Support for details. The following information is part of the event: STVMSJavaNTService error: 0, stop.

3) - this actually was on my most recent boot

The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( iPod Service ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and Support for details. The following information is part of the event: Service started.

4)- massive amounts of these a few days/week ago

Failed extract of third-party root list from auto update cab at: <http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3/static/trustedr/en/authrootstl.cab> with error: The data is invalid.

5)

DCOM got error "The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fashion. " attempting to start the service dlcf_device with arguments "" in order to run the server:
{323CE21C-A448-40AA-BA74-7FCF1E441060}

6)
The dlcf_device service failed to start due to the following error:
The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fashion.

7) - a whole massive amount of these as well
Event Type: Error
Event Source: Cdrom
Event Category: None
Event I 11
Date: 9/05/2008
Time: 11:38:01 PM
User: N/A
Computer: SAM-DESKTOP
Description:
The driver detected a controller error on \Device\CdRom1.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 03 01 68 00 01 00 b8 00 ..h...?.
0008: 00 00 00 00 0b 00 04 c0 .......?
0010: 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0018: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0028: ff 3f 09 00 00 00 00 00 ??......
0030: ff ff ff ff 03 00 00 00 ????....
0038: 40 00 00 c4 02 00 02 00 @..?....
0040: ff 20 0a 12 4c 02 00 40 ? ..L..@
0048: 00 10 00 00 88 13 00 00 ....?...
0050: 00 00 00 00 20 7d 36 8a .... }6?
0058: 00 00 00 00 40 49 31 8a ....@I1?
0060: 28 f0 2f 8a 00 00 00 00 (?/?....
0068: 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 (.......
0070: 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0078: 70 00 04 00 00 00 00 0a p.......
0080: 00 00 00 00 3e 02 00 00 ....>...
0088: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........


yeh sorry about the long post, it appears that errors 2 & 3 occur on nearly every boot close to the boot times, however I removed the source of error 2 by removing a specific application last boot which is why I believe it did not appear for this most recent boot although the freezing still did.

EDIT: Checked my bios settings and they still say that the cpu should be running at 2.6ghz(using speed of 260 multiplier of 10x) but when I check dxdiag it still says only 2ghz, however system information says they are running at 2.6ghz, any ideas why?

Once again thanks for the help
Cheers

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frequency and startup

by acracker In reply to some interesting results

Ok, I know the reason for the perceived slower speed. dxdiag is reporting 2.0ghz because that is what the processor is classified as, it's not actually measuring the clock frequency. System information shows it correctly. If you want a really detailed report of your CPU/Memory/Motherboard, download and run cpuz (http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php) which will show you a ton of information about your hardware.

Now, for your startup programs, I would recommend running msconfig (Start->run->msconfig) and then disabling all your non-essential startup programs under the Startup tab. Also, you can click on the Services tab to disable useless services. Be more careful with the services though because most of those matter. Go here (http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tr/downloads/home/windows_xp_services_that_can_be_disabled.pdf) for a good list of what you can and can't disable. Oh, for the iPod service problem, maybe you could try uninstalling/re-installing iTunes. Let me know how that works for you.

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your motherboard

by acracker In reply to Problems with CPU

Could you post the make and model of your motherboard? You might want to double check that your motherboard can support a C2D processor, even though they have the same connector as most P4's.

Also, did you raise the voltage when you overclocked the processor? A higher voltage is needed to keep the processor stable when you increase its default speed. Just make sure that you have proper cooling!

One more thing, install a temperature monitor like speedfan (http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php) to keep an eye on your system temperatures. Your processor should be below 62 deg/Celcius under load. Sustained higher temperatures than that can cause serious damage to your CPU/motherboard.

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Specs

by Sandman28 In reply to your motherboard

Howdy,

Using a Abit IB-9 motherboard which as far as I know some forum users have been able to use a quad core. As far as raising the voltage I dont think I did when I overclocked it but at the moment the CPU is running at 'normal' un-overclocked speed and power is set to default, should I try increasing this?

I have the ABit Fan-EQ thingo installed and it appears my CPU doesnt really run to hot at all, running in the low 40's.

Have tried the methods posted on other forums to clear CMOS, both by jumper and by removing the battery- connecting the terminals on motherboard, but both tims when I entered the BIOS to re-enter all values nothing appeared to have reset, any ideas from here?

Cheers

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Is this your motherboard?

by Peconet Tietokoneet-217038187993258194678069903632 In reply to Specs

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127019
How much memory do you have?
If possible get two x 1gb and two x 512mb memory this will give your system 3gb and then Windows will (should) double this to 6gb, so giving your system ample power for your games and apps.

Please post back if you have any more problems or questions.

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