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By James Schroer ·
How do you relocate when moving from one company to another. I'm currently looking for another job but the job market in St. Louis is not worth a hoot. So I would be willing to relocate. I've never done this befor and was wondering what it takes to do this. If I find a company in a diffent place should I ask for there help? If so how much? How do you get a company to reconize you when your not in their area? Any information would be great.

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by maxwell edison In reply to Relocating

You'll need two things. . .

....Time and money

I've relocated to take a different job 4 times in my career.

Time:
You'll need time to travel to whatever city (or cities) to seek and interview for jobs. This could take weeks, or possibly even months.

Money:
Air fare (and/or gasoline if you drive), rental cars, meals, hotels, etc. This can add up really fast.

But first of all, be moving TO something, and don't give the impression you're running FROM something. For example, your reason for moving is not a depressed job market in your current location, but rather a benefit of the new location. You're moving to San Diego because you love the weather and the ocean. You're moving to Colorado because you love to ski and hike in the mountains. You're moving to Austin because the university there offers the programs you want, and you can take the classes at nights. You're moving to Memphis to be closer to your family. You're moving to Chicago because you love the Cubs. Okay, the Cubs thing might be a little much, but you get the idea. Just be positive about where you are attempting to go.

Many employers will indeed help with moving expenses, but only if they can justify the additional expense. It could always be part of the salary negotiation stage. You could say something like, "well, I was looking for a bit more salary than what you're offering, and my experience would certainly justify a higher wage. But if you could pick up my moving expenses, perhaps we could make it work for both of us." It's a difficult thing to wiggle into the negotiations and conversations, but it's not out of line at all.

My first move was entirely on my nickel, and I didn't even consider asking for help with moving expenses. After I wised up a little, I asked the next three future employers to help with moving expenses. One paid the whole thing. Another offered about $1,000 to help. The third one flatly turned me down. That third one was twelve years ago, and I'm still at the same company that turned me down. (Yea, I took the job anyway.)

It might help if you can take a different, but temporary, job for a while. (You don't necessarily have to reveal this to potential employers.) Wait tables or bartend to make a few bucks while you're someplace. Quit after a month or so, who cares? There are all kinds of "off-hours" jobs (usually lower paying) that are relatively easy to obtain, and could still allow you the day-time hours for your search and interviews. Restaurants, security guards, taxi drivers, and on and on. During one of my job searches, the one that landed me in my present position (12 years ago), which took over six months to find, I put on my "second career" hat, which was remodeling houses, and I did odd-jobs, painting, building decks, remodeling bathrooms, and so on. Knocking on doors and passing out flyers and business cards at strategic locations did wonders. But I came up with a neat twist on the knocking on doors thing. I went to garage sales where people are always welcome, and the door is always open. I was (and still am) a record collector, so I would often buy stuff from them. Give them a few bucks and a business card. I found some great albums for my collection, I found some great deals on other things, which I turned around and resold at one of my own garage sales for a nice profit, and I found all the work I wanted, all while remaining flexible to travel and interview. This one lady who was having a garage sale took me up on my painting offer and gave me a one day job painting the inside of her garage for a couple of hundred bucks. That job led to building a deck for her plus two of her neighbors, and a bathroom remodel for one of her relatives. (Being friendly and talkative was very helpful.) But there are a lot of creative ways to make a few extra bucks.

By the way, how many people do you think are relocating TO St. Louis because the job market in their location seems depressed? The answer is, just about as many who are moving FROM St. Louis for the same reason. (Give or take a certain percentage depending on the comparison city.) This could apply to just about any metropolitan area in the country. You don't believe me? Do a search for U-Haul destinations (or something like that), and you'll discover that quite a few people are moving INTO the St. Louis area. And one could certainly surmise that a good percentage of those are for job relocations. Sure, some cities have a higher destination rate, but I'd bet that St. Louis is in the top 20-30. The grass certainly does seem greener on the other side of the fence, but how many people have their eyes peering over the fence at your grass?

I hope I gave you some helpful suggestions and some food for thought. Best of luck to you.

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touting while doing a different job

by john_wills In reply to

While I was basically unemployed but working as a U.S. Census enumerator I took my professional resume with me and gave it to people I was counting if their trade seemed like a lead-in. I didn't get a job that way, just a rejection letter or two, but perhaps a home decorator could try the same - low-probability leads are better than no leads.

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By the way - one more thought

by maxwell edison In reply to Relocating

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None of my jobs came from the newspaper listings. I've never used a head hunter. I've never been referred to a job.

All of my jobs came from cold calls. All of them.

I compiled a list of companies that fit my area of expertise and interest, and I approached them with an offer explaining how I believed I could help them. "I want to work for you", I may have said, "because your company is blah blah blah, and my expertise of blah blah blah would fit in very nicely to help you blah blah blah.

(Note: interpret blah blah blah to fit your own circumstances.)

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Depends on a lot of details.

by DC_GUY In reply to Relocating

Eveyone is relocating these days, so I'd respectfully put Maxwell's experiences in historical perspective. (That's so September 10th, as the kids say.) Don't worry about explaining why you're moving; at least you're remaining in the same country! You don't say much about yourself so it's hard to tell how much job security you're looking for and how big a hassle it will be to move. Try to pick an area that won't disgorge you in five years. Follow the money: Washington DC has historically had the strongest economy; even during the Great Depression its unemployment rate was lower than Silicon Valley today. Any employer worth considering can be negotiated into a relocation allowance equal to two or three weeks pay. If not, it's a red flag; what other self-destructive penny-pinching policies do they have? You may not need to fly yourself dizzy; the world is adapting to the Information Age and many companies fill even top-end jobs based solely on phone interviews. (Hint: polish up your oral skills and take all the advice you can get on putting together an enticing resume.) Once again with no disrespect to Maxwell, IT is the one industry that actually uses the online job boards it built. Log into Monster and some of the others. But by all means take charge of your own destiny. Figure out what you want and look for it. Good luck.

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Thanks all

by James Schroer In reply to Relocating

That all gave me some good ideas and things to think about. O And Maxwell, I would move to Chicago for the Cubs. LOL!! But seriously, this all gave me a little to think about. I'm not unemployeed so I'll keep those side job ideas for a rainy day. Two questions I have, One is how do you get people to respond to your resumes when sending them and they notice you are out of state? The few I've sent out I've tried follow up calls and don't get nothing but VM then when I get a hold of someone they say "we're looking for local canidates only" My second question is Cold calling. I know what that is but how did you get a companies info to know if you fit? Again thanks for the info.

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Don't be discouraged

by DC_GUY In reply to Thanks all

There certainly are companies that are looking for local candidates only. But you wouldn't want to work for them anyway. It's a clue to any of a variety of problems: A. They don't expect the job to be long term, B. They're so cheap they won't pay relocation, C. They don't expect to measure up to the competition if you're looking at the national job market and not just local, D. It's really a contract position but they don't want to say so until they've got you in the interview. Most firms of any size recruit nationally and pay relocation. The relocation allowance may be limited, and these days $3,000 (for example) doesn't really go very far. And it may require that you don't resign or get fired for one or two years or you'll have to pay back a pro-rated portion of the allowance. Say thanks and good riddance to these employers and move on. You have to be very patient. Finding a great job isn't as easy as it was thirty years ago, and perhaps it never will be again.

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by James Schroer In reply to Don't be discouraged

Thanks I really never thought if it that way. That's another thing that drives me nuts is there will be 10 postings for the same position because of all the contrators are trying to fill it. That's another story.

But then again how do you get around these "contrators?" It seems so hard to find a posting by a real company and not some 3rd party company try to contract you out to the real company, even for full time permenat positions.

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