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Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

By taieena ·
Hello! I work for an independent computer consultant, and we recently ran into a problem on one of our network accounts.
The previous network admin for this account had originally installed NetBEUI as the default protocol because the people didn't need Internet access. However, with it being a medical clinic, some of the nurses needed to be able to research things over the Internet.
When my boss originally took over the account, he added TCP/IP and DHCP via the router. The network is a small peer-to-peer network of about 8 computers. My boss, being self-taught while I'm still going to school, was not sure if he could just remove the NetbEUI without it affecting the TCP/IP.
I asked my teachers about this, and the answer I receivedwas that removing NetBEUI should not affect TCP/IP at all. However, here comes the problem.
I uninstalled the NetBEUI protocol, but doing so took me off the network completely. I can't find anything in my research or textbooks that explains exactly _why_ this keeps happening.
I was wondering if anyone out there might have any other ideas that I could try?

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Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

by cul8rm8e In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

i would uninstall (if possible) NetBEUI and install TCP/IP on all your other machines on your peer 2 peer network which would allow for all machines to access internal and external addresses(internet)&(LAN), other than this you can reinstall NetBEUIon your machine which would allow you access to your LAN and set up new connection to internet from your machine using only TCP/IP.

hope this helps!

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Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

by taieena In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

Please see the last commnet; it applies to all but one of the answers I've received thus far.

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Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

by R. A. Caluste In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

make sure your dhcp server is configured properly. you might have a misconfigured tcp/ip setting. with netbeui, you don't have to configure anything, while with tcp/ip, you need to consider subnets, dns and gateways. you can have your machines obtain these automatically via dhcp as long as dhcp is configured properly. another thing to note is that if one machine is using tcp/ip only, and the other is using netbeui only, then don't expect these machines to see each other.

hope this helps.

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by taieena In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

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by srespd In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

Just to elaborate on Answer #2: NetBUI is a protocol that allows Networking between P2P (peer to peer) workstations without using a hub or router. When you uninstall this protocol from one machine you essentially remove the "key" to letting that machine or the networked machines from "seeing" each other. TCP/IP is much more involved and requires the admin to either preset the IP addresses to each computer or let DHCP handle all of it with a router. Also note that NetBUI is also more secure than TCP/IP.

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Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

by taieena In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

Please see the last commnet; it applies to all but one of the answers I've received thus far.

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Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

by Joseph Moore In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

Ok, so 8 workstations using NetBEUI to talk to one another. You removed NetBEUI from one workstation, and now you can't see the network.
Well, of course! If you remove the networking protocol in use by the other systems, then you won't see anything. Even if you put TCP/IP on this workstation, the other 7 are NOT using TCP/IP; you have a machine speaking Spanish in a village that speaks Russian.
Not a lot of communication is gonna happen.
You can run NetBEUI and TCP/IP on the same machines at the same time with no problems. You can also run NetBEUI on all machines and TCP/IP on only some of the machines. But for all machines to talk to one another, they all need a common communication protocol.
So, if only some of the workstations needto go to the Internet (which is IP based), then on those machines install TCP/IP, and keep NetBEUI also for internal P2P communication.
Or, you can change all the machines to TCP/IP.
Now, if you want to go the DHCP server route (for dynamic assignment of IP addresses) or if you want to go the static IP route (where each machine has its own unique IP address), that is up to you.
Heck, you could install IPX on all of the machines if you wanted! OR all 3!

hope this helps

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Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

by taieena In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

Please see the last commnet; it applies to all but one of the answers I've received thus far.

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Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

by vh_s In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

If you are using Windows, the order should be adding TCP/IP and then remove NETBEUI. By removing NETBEUI as the first thing, you took off the network completely since the network card doesn't have any protocol to bind with. Therefore your network card (driver) would also disappear.

Adding TCP/IP retain this setting. Your network card would recognize the new protocol. Removing the NETBEUI would leave the network card to bind only with TCP/IP.

If the above is not your problem, then to my opinion it would be address assignment / subnet problem.

vh_s

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Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

by taieena In reply to Remove NetBEUI/Add TCP/IP

UNfortunately, I guess I didn't exactly ask the question clearly. All of the computers have been running TCP/IP _AND_ NetBEUI all along. For some reason, just removing NetBEUI takes the computers off of the network despite their having TCP/IP already installed and working.
I'm grateful to everyone who's answered this; unfortunately, I keep getting mostly the same answers, which is what I was kind of expecting since the NetBEUI shouldn't be affecting the TCP/IP protocol. So thank you to everyone who's tried to help me.
I'm just going to uninstall Client for Microsoft Networks, File & Print Sharing, and all of the protocols, and then reinstall the Client and sharing. This did work last night on the one computer I tried it onlast night.

Again, many many thanks to you guys for trying to help me with this problem.
~Steph

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