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By Sceva ·
I am running a Power Mac g3 with OS 8.6 as a file server. I have a couple of windows 2000 and xp computers that access files on that server. It is using Appleshare IP 6.2. The problem is that a windows user cannot rename folders. They can create new folders, but cannot rename them. It is also a problem with some applications that automatically create folders.
I did a little research and saw something about a smb problem, but didn't find a fix, other than to upgrade to Appleshare 6.3 and OS 9.something.
Does anyone have any fixes that would be simpler?
Thanks.

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by Sceva In reply to renaming files on Mac ser ...

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by lyon_bleu In reply to renaming files on Mac ser ...

It is possible that disabling the option "Folders will inherit their
privileges" can fix this. Enabling that option resets the owner as
well as the privileges, thus making it impossible for anyone but
an admin to rename objects.

Let us know if that helps.

Peace,

paul

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by Sceva In reply to

I assume this is a setting on the MAC side? I looked in the appleshare admin but didn't see where to set that option. Could you please be more specific? Thanks.

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by lyon_bleu In reply to renaming files on Mac ser ...

The "Folders will inherit their privileges" option is enabled or
disabled in AppleShare IP Advanced Setup on the Mac. There is a
related problem with ASIP 6.2 and copying a folder that contains
folders, even from another Mac OS client. Hopefully this simple
fix will get everything running smoothly.

Otherwise, upgrading to Mac OS 9.1 and ASIP 6.3 is not all that
painful, with a little preparation. Moving all applications and the
"Utilities" and "Apple Extras" folders into a folder named
"Applications (Mac OS 9)" before the update makes things much
smoother

HTH,

paul

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by Sceva In reply to

I checked the ASIP Web and File Admin and couldn't find any settings that talk about inheriting priviledges. In the area where you look at the info on the shared files and it shows who gets what type of access there is a button that says make all inclosed folders received the same settings, and I have tried that a couple of times. But still no luck.

I contacted Apple and they said ASIP 6.3 would run on OS 8.6, but other documentation looks like ASIP 6.3.3 only runs on certain versions of OS 9. If I buy it from Apple it is going to be close to $600 to upgrade. I think I can find a cheaper workaround and try to get a new server next year...

Let me know if you have any other notes, and I will award the points. Thanks.

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by lyon_bleu In reply to renaming files on Mac ser ...

My bad for not being more clear. "AppleShare IP Advanced
Setup" is a different utility from the Admin utility. What you did
copies the settings from the parent folder to all enclosed folders
recursively just that one time. What I am suggesting as a
possible work around is to play with the advanced setting to
force the ownership of new folders to be that of the group rather
than the individual user. Here are two links that demonstrate
how enabling or disabling this setting can manage undesirable
changes of ownership and loss of privileges:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=31022
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=30961

I'm just guessing that unanticipated changes in the SMB client
between 1999 when ASIP 6.2 was released and the release of
Win 2k are the real root of this problem, yet tweaking the folder
settings might give you some quick relief.

Peace,

paul

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by lyon_bleu In reply to

BTW, I agree with how confusing the online documentation is on
whether OS 9 is supported or required. In the same article it says
that the utilities will run under OS 8.6 and that OS 9 is required.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=26200
Not clear at all.

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by Sceva In reply to

I will try and find those settings and let you know how it goes. (I am out of town for a week of training ,so I will let you know next week)

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by lyon_bleu In reply to renaming files on Mac ser ...

It is possible that the permissions for the new folders are not
allowing users to rename the new folders. Using the Advanced
Setup utility for ASIP, one can have any new folder created in a
containing folder inherit the settings of the parent folder.

To test this would require setting the parent folder's ownership
to that of a group, rather than an individual, whose permissions
include the ability to alter the properties of a folder which it
owns, and then using the Advanced Setup utility to force all
newly created folders to inherit that ownership from the
containing folder.

Hope that works for you,

paul

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by Sceva In reply to

Thanks for the help!

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