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rotten apples?

By Alex Gerulaitis ·
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Mac Pro ($5.2K) vs. HP Z820 ($4.7K)

by Alex Gerulaitis In reply to rotten apples?

(continuing PC vs. Mac Pro debate from here:

Specifically, this claim:

"Mac is considered the best Windows computer on the market when matched against spec-for-spec, feature-for-feature non-Apple computers."

My take: with all due respect to Apple and the quality of their products, the statement above is false and the opposite is true.

HP Z820 Workstation 850W B2C06UT Smartbuy - $3,399
- Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
- Intel Xeon Processor E5-2630 2.3 15M 1333 6C
- 8GB DDR3-1600 (4x2GB) 1CPU Unbuffered
- AMD FirePro V7900 (2GB)
- 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 7200 rpm
- 16X DVD+/- RW DL SuperMulti
- 3 years parts, labor and onsite service (3/3/3) standard warranty

Add HP Intel Xeon E5-2630 2.30GHz 15MB 1333 FSB 6 Core 2nd Processor A6S88AA) - $1100
Add HP 4x HP 2GB (A2Z47AT) - $200

Total: $4,699.00

Opponent's example:

"The Mac Pro, with dual 2.66 GB Xeon processors, 12 GB RAM, 1 TB 7200 RPM SATA HDD, and ATI Radion HD 5870 graphics was $5199."

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Alex you really should keep this with the thread in question

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Mac Pro ($5.2K) vs. HP Z8 ...

Otherwise one of the Moderators here will see this and think that it's spam and delete it if you are lucky.

Clicking on the Take Off Line option starts a new thread in the Water Cooler Area and is unrelated tot he thread that it came from.


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by Alex Gerulaitis In reply to Alex you really should ke ...

I didn't feel the Mac Pro vs. PC discussion belonged to the original thread. If the moderators nuke it, so be it. :)

(The link is back to TechRepublic - will moderators see that?)

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Yep well see that

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to thanks

But the majority of the other Peers here will not. I'm constantly posting to click on the Blue Type to get to the original article when people ask.


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Don't know what it's like in the US but here in Australia when

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Mac Pro ($5.2K) vs. HP Z8 ...

you get around to comparing comparable systems as a total system then an Apple Mac is a better cost deal than an equivalent performance PC with the same amount of proprietary software - and that's something a lot of people forget when doing the Mac vs PC discussion. To get a PC equal to an Apple you have to spend about as much again as the hardware to match the software. However, if you go for as much free or open source software, then you can get a match for a lot less as a PC.

The thing is not everyone wants or needs all the software you get with an Apple, and that's why they see it as dearer.

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by NickNielsen In reply to Mac Pro ($5.2K) vs. HP Z8 ...

Really? Somebody who disagrees with you is an "opponent"? This is a discussion, not a war.

You referred to certain models of computer, saying the claim that one was much cheaper than the other was the equivalent of trolling. I used the examples you provided to show that one was much cheaper than the other. I made no claims about the equivalence of the systems. I am not familiar with either system and assumed that, since you had compared them, they were in fact equivalent.

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by Alex Gerulaitis In reply to Opponent?

It was rigged, I explained why, but didn't see an admission of error.

Further, unlike the Mac store, HP web prices are often hiked 20-30% vs. what you can get from resellers or with coupons or with the so called "smartbuys".

Sure, we can still get the general idea what the price discrepancies are, but pitching a $4K Quadro 6000 vs. a $400 ATI card - that's just rotten apples, gentlemen.

I believe the term "opponent" is a correct one for a discussion. Isn't it "enemy" for a war?

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show me the ... example

by Alex Gerulaitis In reply to rotten apples?

You may have noticed that I put actual numbers in my first post. I haven't even started comparing those Mac Pros to Core i7 configs that offer a vastly superior performance-for-the-buck ratio than anything HP or Apple could ever come up with. I was trying to compare apples to apples.

Have you tried that?

Talk is cheap. How about a real world (and realistic, commonplace) scenario where a Mac is a "is a better cost deal than an equivalent performance PC"?

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Here's a couple of examples based on what's available down here in A$

by Deadly Ernest In reply to show me the ... example

The Apple iMac with it all in the monitor - 27 inch 2560 x 1440 screen, i5 3.1 Ghz, CPU 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD, 1 GB ATI Radeon graphics, and usual extras is A$2,299.00

Try to match that as a similar all in one from Dell Aust - XPS One 27 inch system with nVidia graphics -with just MS Windows 7 and MS Office 2010 it's $2,547.00

Build it as a standard desktop box and the hardware alone is A$1,787.00, add in MS Win 7 and Office 2010 and it's up to $2,620.00

The Mac comes with a lot of extra software that's not on the MS systems above, like a good image manip program equal to Adobe CS 5.5 at A$331.00.

Now you can cheap down the MS system by going with a much lower level version of Windows or Office, or you can step right outside the Windows world and go with Linux like I do with Zorin OS, at which point the hardware price of $1,787.00 is the total cost.

Interestingly when I went about customising the Dell systems to find comparable prices there, Linux was NOT an optional OS for any of the systems I looked at.

In short, where you come out ahead in the Mac world is the total cost if you want more than a very low end MS Win OS like Home or any full software. Want to netsurf only, get a cheap Windows Netbook or better still and cheap Linux Netbook.

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by Alex Gerulaitis In reply to Here's a couple of exampl ...

Of course. Including MS Office with a Windows machine is a requirement for a Mac to be a "a better cost deal".

How did I not think of it?! :)

You Mac fans are just hilarious.

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