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sata drive, via controller, no boot

By jimbacks ·
I get a PXE boot failure message but I think it is because the drive and controller are not being recognized. Here's the spec's:

ASUS A7N8X-E w/ Uberbios R1013
Phoenix Award bios
on board sata control not being used (kept failing)
VIA sata controller card in PCI slot #5
Seagate Barracuda 160 connected to controller
NO IDE drive installed

***Used Seagate drive cloning software to xfer my system from IDE drive to SATA. Windows recognized SATA drive if IDE was still attached. When I tried to remove IDE to use the larger faster SATA drive system would not boot to drive.****

no SATA selection in bios, tried booting with SCSI boot enabled and choosing HDD 0, HDD 1 - no success
tried booting with RAID enabled (choice is RAID or SCSI) with HDD 0, and HDD 1 - no success

Any suggestions?? I don't use the onboard sata because it fails after setting up drive with WinXP CD. Repeated failueres led me to believe the onboard sata control was fried. Now I wonder if it is something else.

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See if this helps

by Jacky Howe In reply to sata drive, via controlle ...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;824125

The problem you are having is to do with the Hardware Abstraction Layer or HAL. When you try and use the drive in a different PC it is trying to load the wrong drivers.


1. Boot the PC system using the existing motherboard. If you've installed the UltraATA Driver (if so, Device Manager, IDE Controllers, Primary Channel will be lacking its usual "Advanced Settings" tab) then uninstall said driver from Control Panel and reboot before continuing.

2. From the Device Manager, open up the "IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers" section. On a typical system there will be three entries under this - the controller itself, and then the primary/secondary IDE channels.

3. Double-click on the entry for the controller, and change the driver to Sata.


Tip: <i>Don't forget to do the pagefile mod to turn off on shutdown to save a bit of space in the Image. Local Security Settings, Local Policies, Security Options, Shutdown: Clear virtual memory pagefile.</i>

4. Now shut down the system, and take your image.

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same pc

by jimbacks In reply to See if this helps

thanks for the reply but the drive was cloned in this pc. I had a maxtor ide primary drive, added the sata controller and sata drive, used Seagate software to 'clone' the original drive to the new sata. Then I removed the ide drive and tried to boot up with the sata drive alone.
all this on one computer. So I thank you for the suggestion but I'm not sure it applies here.

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If thats the case

by Jacky Howe In reply to same pc

follow nepenthe0's advice and make it Bootable. You should be up and running.

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Is the SATA drive a primary drive?

by nepenthe0 In reply to sata drive, via controlle ...

It goes without saying that you cannot boot from a drive without an intact boot sector in the master boot record. Sometimes the simple things are overlooked during troubleshooting.

To determine boot partitions, type bootcfg /scan
To list the entries in boot.ini, type bootcfg /list
To rewrite the MBR on the boot partition, type fixmbr
If the boot sector is corrupted, type fixboot C: (if C is the drive letter)

Rick/Portland, OR

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If I am reading this correctly you have

by OH Smeg In reply to sata drive, via controlle ...

Cloned a IDE Drive to a SATA Drive and removed the IDE Drive after the clone is complete and you have checked that it is booting right?

If that is the case the Hardware tries to look at a IDE Drive for the initial Boot Files required to Boot Windows and as you now do not have the IDE Drive available the Necessary Files are missing. As you also do not have the SATA +Drivers included in the Boot Files the system will remain unable to be booted till you perform a In Place Install and install the SATA Driver by pressing the F6 Key when the very first Blue Screen appears on the Windows Installer and when prompted insert a Floppy with the SATA Driver copied to the Root of a Floppy in the A Drive and press enter. This will allow you to load the SATA Driver so that the system can install the OS to the SATA Drive and allow it to boot after it is installed. Windows doesn't Natively Support SATA Drives.

http://tinyurl.com/g4bv8

To perform the Repair Install you will need a M$ Branded Install Disc as the System Makers Recovery DiscDo Not that option available as they are not a Full Install Copy of Windows but a cut down Slipstreamed copy of the Drivers and OS that only suit the hardware that they where supplied for.

If you don't have a floppy drive available you can make your own Slipstreamed Install Disc and add the SATA Driver to it by following the directions here

http://tinyurl.com/6pfqo8

or here for the down loadable copy of the same thing

http://tinyurl.com/5q2jsw

If you find this too hard you can use a program called nLite to do the same thing available free from here

http://tinyurl.com/e2mo4

But if you use nLite you will need to look at the Guides section on the Web Page to see the directions on how to use it.

Whatever you chose to do here you need a M$ Branded Install Disc and not a System Makers Recovery Disc and if you only have a System Makers Recovery Disc you will need to start over from the beginning and install from scratch.

Col

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Truly a bit of work

by nepenthe0 In reply to If I am reading this corr ...

OH Smeg, this is what the French call a tour de force (a feat or display of strength, skill, or ingenuity). I'm more than impressed.

Most computer manufacturers supply bundled installation/repair disks. When I purchased a stand-alone copy of Windows XP Pro (to replace that gawd-awful Windows ME), I had the functionality of an original Windows repair source, at the paltry price of $299 each (ouch!).

Obviously you think that jimbacks needs to go through all this just to recover the boot sector/MBR of his SATA drive, which is depressing if true, so I hope jimbacks will respond in this thread and inform us what worked, and what didn't.

Thanks again, OH Smeg, for a brilliant post. I have archived it for posterity, and will be making a bootable Windows recovery CD following Louis Nel's TR post.

Rick/Portland, OR

P.S. - At $50-$60, the Spotmau disc is looking more and more like a necessity, as one cannot make a bootable Windows CD without the original Windows OS disc. Even nLite requires the original Windows disc.

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still no boot

by jimbacks In reply to If I am reading this corr ...

thanks for the tip, and all your interest.
I followed suggestion to use XP install disk to put OS on Sata drive (I had thought the 'cloning' had already done that but I guess not)
It didn't work. Here's what happened.
First I booted to IDE drive with Sata drive installed as drive "F". I formatted the Sata drive and then removed the IDE drive.
I set boot order to CD drive first, booted to Windoze install disk, press F6, loaded the drivers from floppy when requested.
Windoze install disk recognized Sata drive, I proceeded with install of OS. When install disk finished loading files and rebooted, the computer never recognized the Sata drive.
Sequence went right to CD boot and tried to install system files again on same drive (SATA)

Not sure what to try next. I guess I'll try changing the boot order on the phoenix bios. I tried HDD "0" with no luck. I'll try HDD "1" next, or "SCSI". These are all choices in the Boot sequence of the bios.

Glad to have any more suggestions.

I just don't understand why the install disk sees the sata drive but when I try to boot directly to the drive it is not seen.

Jim

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See if this helps

by Jacky Howe In reply to still no boot

Go back to the Basics and remove the addon card and connect the Drive to Sata_Raid1. Go into the BIOS and see if it is detected. If it is there see if it will boot now that you have installed the Sata Drivers.

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Which SATA Driver did you use here

by OH Smeg In reply to still no boot

The SIS one for the M'Board or the VIA one for the Plug in card?

If it was the VIA one for the Plug In Card what Make & Model is the card? Also are there any setting on the SATA Controller Card?

If you did the Repair Install with the SATA Driver for the SIS M'Board SATA Controller that will not be the correct one for the Plug In Card.

Also how have you got the BIOS Set in relation to the SATA Controller? Is it set to RAID?

Right at the moment I can not get a copy of the Owners Manual for this M'Board as all the ASUS Servers are telling me that they are busty and this service isn't available at the moment so I can not you exactly where to look in BIOS for this but if you look at the Manual that comes with the M'Board it is defiantly in there.

Col

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drivers, et al

by jimbacks In reply to Which SATA Driver did you ...

I used the VIA drivers for the add on card because I'm running the drive from the card. But even though the XP install disk does recognize the card and drive, and begins to copy files to the drive, when it reboots to complete the install the bios does NOT recognize the drive. I've set "raid" in bios, along with various different selections for 1st boot device.

I finally decided to stop trying to make the SATA the "boot" drive and just use it with the IDE as a second drive. But that also caused problems today.

Now, when booting to the IDE drive with SATA for an "F" drive I'm having problems with system hang ups. I opened a Quicken window and the system froze while loading it. Then proceeded to load, then froze again. It happened again with some other programs. Mouse pointer freezes, I get weird echo's on my speakers, windows take minutes to open. This has happened before when I tried to run both drives connecting the SATA to the mobo direct.

I am now convinced that this mobo is never going to run SATA successfully. I don't know whether it's a problem with windows, ASUS, or just this board, or something I'm doing. But I'm not wasting any more time and energy on this. I'm giving the drive and card to my son-in-law for his use and I'm going back to good old reliable IDE drive land.

I do thank you all for your suggestions. This is a great web site and great forum. I will visit again.

Jim

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