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SCSI Partitioning during NT 4.0 Setup

By denver.drake ·
I have an NT server, with a 4GB SCSI drive, and a new 9 GB drive. I doing a complete new install of NT 4.0. When I get to the partitioning section, the old drive shows 1 small FAT partition (C) and 2 NTFS partitions (D&E). The new drive shows Unpartitioned. I want the entire 4GB drive to be the FAT boot partition (C), and the new drive to be 1 big NTFS partition for data. I prefer this to be F, but I can live with D. However, if I delete the partitions, it won't let me combine them into one giant partition. It keeps holding them open, at the exact same size they were, only unpartitioned. It won't even let me delete the one NTFS partition (that it wants to call D). What gives here? How can I get it the way I want it?

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by Shanghai Sam In reply to SCSI Partitioning during ...

Hi draked,
first: you DO NOT want to make a huge FAT partition. I can't see reason for such throwing disk space with clusters bigger than whole disks were yesterday.

Second: it sounds as you haven't deleted extended partition from 4GB drive so partitioning software offers you chunks it can allocate.
I don't know if WinNT setup can do the task, but if you are doing clean install be sure to wipe your disks partition table before starting 'winnt'. Partition Magic or similar tool should do thetrick, fdisk doesn't.

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by denver.drake In reply to SCSI Partitioning during ...

You're right about the large FAT partition. Other than that, I don't have Partition Magic, or similar tool.

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by Riann In reply to SCSI Partitioning during ...

Let me rephrase your situation. You will be installing NT with FAT Partition on the 4 GB SCSI Drive. You want to combine all the old partitions(3). And Create a partition of 9GB with the new disk. You also prefer that it will be drive F.
NT setup will let you delete partition. Try to check if how many logical and primary partition there is. Try to delete the logical first. It won't let you combine all if there is one partition in between that is existing.
One situation that NT won't allow you to delete a partition during installation is when the source files are in the partion. This happens when you install using winnt32 /b. Try to install using the 3 Setup disk. I have also encountered problem installing to 4GB of Disk. Fat only allows2GB. so you might also encounter not able to create a FAT partion. Try to check kb of microsoft (i forgot what kb #) for dlls needed to install NT on unpartioned disk more than 2GB. These dlls are found on the Service packs.
You might also want FATif you dual boot.
If there is no need for dual boot I recommend using NTFS on all partition.
Ignore the 9GB disk until you finish installation NT and from Disk administrator create a partition and format the disk. Also assign it to what ever drive letter you want it to be.

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by denver.drake In reply to SCSI Partitioning during ...

Thanks for the input. I realize now that I really wanted a very small FAT and a 1 GB or so NTFS as the System partition. The suggestion to leave the rest of the partitioning till later, and use Disk admin, is well taken. However, the initial problem remains. I see no info here to help fix the original partitioning problem.

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by Riann In reply to SCSI Partitioning during ...

Let me rephrase your situation. You will be installing NT with FAT Partition on the 4 GB SCSI Drive. You want to combine all the old partitions(3). And Create a partition of 9GB with the new disk. You also prefer that it will be drive F.
NT setup will let you delete partition. Try to check if how many logical and primary partition there is. Try to delete the logical first. It won't let you combine all if there is one partition in between that is existing.
One situation that NT won't allow you to delete a partition during installation is when the source files are in the partion. This happens when you install using winnt32 /b. Try to install using the 3 Setup disk. I have also encountered problem installing to 4GB of Disk. Fat only allows2GB. so you might also encounter not able to create a FAT partion. Try to check kb of microsoft (i forgot what kb #) for dlls needed to install NT on unpartioned disk more than 2GB. These dlls are found on the Service packs.
You might also want FATif you dual boot.
If there is no need for dual boot I recommend using NTFS on all partition.
Ignore the 9GB disk until you finish installation NT and from Disk administrator create a partition and format the disk. Also assign it to what ever drive letter you want it to be.

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by Shanghai Sam In reply to SCSI Partitioning during ...

I don't see why you want to make HD0 FAT but if you want: Boot with a Win98 startup disk. Run FDISK and answer yes to big hard drive support. Then select 4(delete disk partition) and delete all of the partitions on the hard drive (There is an optionthere that will allow you to delete non DOS partitions like NTFS). Create a partition that will take up the 4gigs.

I don't like FAT partitions on servers. I suggest deleting all partitions in FDISK and starting the setup. When you create the bootpartition it will have to be 2440MB. NT will not take more than that, unless you do some other complicated steps that I can explain if you are interested. Then install NT on the partition and partition the rest of the drives within NT. Don't try to partition everything from the setup menu because it is easier from Disk Manager.

Have fun

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by uru_98 In reply to SCSI Partitioning during ...

I don't see why you want to make HD0 FAT but if you want: Boot with a Win98 startup disk. Run FDISK and answer yes to big hard drive support. Then select 4(delete disk partition) and delete all of the partitions on the hard drive (There is an optionthere that will allow you to delete non DOS partitions like NTFS). Create a partition that will take up the 4gigs.

I don't like FAT partitions on servers. I suggest deleting all partitions in FDISK and starting the setup. When you create the bootpartition it will have to be 2440MB. NT will not take more than that, unless you do some other complicated steps that I can explain if you are interested. Then install NT on the partition and partition the rest of the drives within NT. Don't try to partition everything from the setup menu because it is easier from Disk Manager.

Have fun

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by denver.drake In reply to SCSI Partitioning during ...

FDISK will not work here. It shows the Primary DOS partition and an Extended DOS partition, and says that the EXT one contains Logical DOS Drives. However, when I try to display or delete the logical drive information, it says that there are "No logical drives defined". But, if I try to delete the EXT partition, it says that it can't be deleted while logical drives exist. It's just a vicious circle that FDISK cannot handle.

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