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Servers to Desktops?

By the_webninja ·
I am posting this message in this Category because I know that Server people have a better idea of what is going on than Desktop people, and I need a Super Tech to answer some Questions for me.

Okay, short and sweet, my Goal is design an Outrageous System, cost is not an issue. Performance is the only issue. Now that the Dual Processors are out for Desk Tops, I am a little Confused. I was under the impression that certain everday desk top Software was not able to handle Multiple Processors. Now we have Mulitple Processors. So can I build a Desk Top with 2 Dual Xeon Chips or 2 Dual AMD Opteron chips and have a Quad Processor Desk Top? And would it work with Windows XP or Vista? Or Only with Linux?

I want to Build a Machine capable of Outrageous Server type Preformance, but be able to Play Games and do everything that a Normal Desk Top does.
Now if I Load up a Dual Socket Motherboard with 2 Separate Dual Chips, and about 8GB of DDR2, will it function as a Desk Top, and will I get a Noticable amount of increased performance from doing this?

That's what I want to know.
Mark*

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Dual Core Technology

by w2ktechman In reply to Servers to Desktops?

I beleive shows as a single processor to applications. The second processor talks to the first internally (outside of the applications knowledge).

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Look at the graph on

by TonytheTiger In reply to Dual Core Technology

the performance tab of Task Manager :)

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It will work

by faradhi In reply to Servers to Desktops?

My question will be why?

Servers are loaded because it does several intensive processes simultaneously.

A dual process desktop is fine. Using a server as a desktop is a waste of money. Remember that there is a point of diminishing returns. I think you will be hitting that around the 3rd or 4th GB of memory.

Even if money is not an issue, wasting it is stupid.

If you are looking for performance, get two quality high speed processors, A couple of GB of fast memory, an a couple of high speed sata drives running RAID0. Add a really good video card with a lot of VRAM. Your set.

In my opinion, any more than that is a waste of money.

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Especially with XP

by TonytheTiger In reply to It will work

Which maxxes out at two processors (dual core counts as two).

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OS limitations will be an issue

by mjwx In reply to Servers to Desktops?

You won?t be able to run more than two logical or physical processors on XP nor will you be able to run more than 4 GB of RAM, (Actually it can?t use more than 3 GB effectively, they just ticked the 4GB box on the QA sheet).

In order to play windows games (you can use Linux with Cedega you wont have OS limitations like Windows but you will get a whole bunch of other problems) you will need to use a server OS for 4 processors and 8 GB of ram, which BTW is the limit for Windows 2000 and 2003 Server Standard editions (not too sure about enterprise). Anything greater and you will need the Advanced Server\Datacenter editions.

But this is besides the point, 4 processors and 8 GB RAM is just ridiculous. I don?t know if you?re familiar with the law of diminishing returns, heres the wikipedia page if you aren't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns

What you want for games is:
a dual core AM2 FX or P4 Extreme Edition (I recommend the AM2).
An SLI/Crossfire capable socket AM2(AMD)/775(P4) board (Asus is my brand of choice). SLI is NVIDIA?s technology and Crossfire is ATI's technology.
4 x 1 GB sticks of Corsair DDR2 RAM (needs to be brought in pairs which are matched)
2 identical SLI/Crossfire capable video cards (I am a NVIDIA fan boy so I recommend the Geforce 7950 GTX).
WD 10,000 RPM SATA II hard drives in RAID 1 (striped) configuration.
A bloody big case to hold them in with a lot of fans for cooling and at least a 500w power supply.
Water cooling for the CPU and make sure there is cool air reaching the video cards and RAM (bad airflow leads to overheating problems).

This will give you ridiculous performance whilst staying in the constraints of XP and not going to far towards diminishing returns.

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Why so much Ram?

by the_webninja In reply to Servers to Desktops?

Thanks a lot for all of your input on this question.
I learned a lot here from asking about it. The reason I was thinking 8GB of Memory is because the way 64 Bit Software is redirecting the Virtual Memory straight to the Ram instead of running back and forth from the hard drive. This is what made me think it would be worth the effort. But I didn't know that XP had a memory limit on it.

Next the Reason for trying to Build a System like this is primarily large Load Audio Recordings, and Video Recordings. More and More Musicians are starting to wire 4 or more input Channels and Recording them all Live which really soaks up the Resources on the machine with only one Chip and a couple of Gb of Ram.

But Thanks a lot for all your input, this one issue has taught me a lot. Thanks!
Mark*

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A guide to go by would be the AVID System

by faradhi In reply to Why so much Ram?

AVID is the industry standard for film and tv editing. (Which is far more intensive than sound)

Here is a link to their Windows system build. http://www.avid.com/products/media-composer/adrenaline-DNxcel/specs.asp

If you are experienceing resource issues with a system built like above, look to the software not the hardware. It may be your sound editing software that is the issue.

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Money is no object????

by fungus-among-us In reply to Why so much Ram?

Tyan is now offering the Personal SUPERCOMPUTER.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MTk4MjYsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE=

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Software Issue

by jdmercha In reply to Servers to Desktops?

In order to take advantage of dual 64-bit dual-core CPU's you have to have software that will take advantage of it.

First of Windows XP is a 32-bit operating system. Windows XP 64 is a 64-bit operating system but it might not be compatibnle with your games.

Windows XP can make use of dual processors by distributing the load of the operating system across two procressors. But unless your games are designed to take advantage of dual processors, then your game will only use one, while the other sits idle.

If you want to take a look at high-end machines look at http://www.sgi.com/ or http://alienware.com/

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Pls Check my Design

by the_webninja In reply to Servers to Desktops?

Okay thanks for all of your help. I thought everything over and I made up a Design I think that will do the Trick. Xp Specs say that it can recognize 2 Cpu Chips, I still am not quite sure if that means I can Run XP with two DUAL Chips or just one Dual Chip. (assuming the instructions for dual chips tell the OS each Dual Chip is only one chip) And I am not really so much concerned about the "Games" aspect as I am crunching the data with the Audio and Video applications, which use XP.
So I have to kind of make sure my Design can use XP.
So far, I have thought about using one AMD Dual Opteron 880 series with 2 Mb cache, but if I can get XP to run with 2 Dual Opteron processors, I would build it that way.
I am going with 4 GB of Corsair XMS Ram, (cause that is the limit of XP).
But if there was a way of extending this Limit, let me know.
I am planning on using :
750GB 10,000 Rpm SATA HardDrive
1 Pioneer Blu-Ray Drive
1 Plextor DVD RW SATA Drive
Sound Blaster XFI-Elite for PRO AUDIO Applications
GeForce 7950 512MB GX2 Dual Video Cards Overclocked to 1GB
Nikao LCD Controller for fans
Thermaltake 850watt Power Supply
and maybe a Water Cooled set of Blocks and Possibly an Airconditioned Case as well.

I am a little worried about trying the Airconditioned case Idea because of condensation factors.
Anyone see any problems with this Design or do you think any better ideas would work better in this type of configuration?

Thanks
Mark*

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