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Should I tell my actuall salary to the recruiters?

By waqas_dar ·
I am working in the Public Sector and recently applied for some jobs as a Senior Developer. The jobs were offering about 5 to 10k more than what I am earning. I was asked for my current salary and when I told them they said that they are looking for someone on a bit more senior level.

They didn't agree with me even when I told them that I have worked with external contractors who are doing what I am doing on a much higher salary than me and I honestly believe and know that my "senioraity" level is up to the par and I can prove that in an interview.

Question is what should I do the next time some recruiter asks me for the salary?

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You've answered your own question ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to Should I tell my actuall ...

If by disclosing your salary, you have found it to be detrimental - don't do it again.

An effective counterstance would be to answer this question the next time it's asked, by asking the recruiter what THEIR salary is. When they refuse to tell you just infer that you are of the same opinion ~ if they DO tell you, just say that you'd rather deal with someone with a bit more seniority.

When all is said and done, from a recruiters' point of view, your current salary is none of their damn business, and if it were me I'd bloody well tell them that.

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by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Should I tell my actuall ...

No reason they could give for asking that question is to your benefit. You had a salary range from them, it was in the ball park, that's all they need to know. Asking you it, is either for the feeble minded response you got, or to knock you down so they can get paid. F**'em. Public does pay less than private always has, with reason when you look at government IT though, I've got to admit. I'd be warier of a highly paid public sector worker than someone lower in the food chain, after all the top boys are proven f'ups.

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Hmm! Kind'of True

by waqas_dar In reply to Nope.

I appreciate your comments. As for the last bit related to highly paid public sector jobs, I hope you appreciate that they are normally middle management ones and in my experience, the people on top mostly hire incompitent middle managers (pen-pushers) so that a) they do not become a leadership challenge and rather become subjugated drones and b) they do not even understand what the meaning of "strategy" is so keep complying with a).

But the systems run on the competence of the "low-level" support staff, including technicians and developers and I find them very hard working most of the time (honestly!).

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Of course they are the ones who try to implement

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Hmm! Kind'of True

management's stupid ideas. Working hard is a given...

True in some businesses as well. I did a lot of work in manufacturing, and they often had a warehouse manager, or accountant or some such as head of IT. Not necessarily a bad thing, but when they start making technical decisions, often without knowing that they are...

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None of thier business

by Shellbot In reply to Should I tell my actuall ...

However, if they take the "if you won't me then bugger off" attitude, just throuw them a number close to what they offering.

When I get asked, I always say that I am looking for a position in the x to x range, depending on total package. If they demand I tell them what I currently make I give a number about 1000 less than what I've told them I'm looking for.
Each long term job I've taken in the past 6 years has paid more than 7000 than the previous position. Unless your incredibly unhappy in your job, or the new job is going to open a milion doors.. why on earth would anyone move from the security of the existing job for no major money increase???

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The complication with lying

by waqas_dar In reply to None of thier business

Even if I ignore the moral/ethical side of lying, at some point during the hiring process I might get caught red handed. What about that?

This also arises a sub-question that do the actual companies (or my future boss) really care about how much I was earning? I mean will they ignore my lying in such an early stage or rather do they ever get told about my previous salary from the recruiter?

I totally agree with your last comment. Money increase DOES have its tangible and intangible benifits. Without it there is hardly any reason to even apply for a job. Spot on!

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by Shellbot In reply to The complication with lyi ...

I hear what your saying.
Not advocating lying as such, but its a case that it is NONE of thier business how much you make. And it is NONE of your potential emplyers business how much you make/made at your last job.

What I'm saying is, if they say "tell us how much you make or we will not put you forward for a job" you may have to say "in the region of ?x". If pushed further, cite overtime, bonuses and benifits.

So lets say you make 10K a year, but you get free train tickets worth 1200 a year, and dentist benifits which save you 1000 a year, and free car parking which saves you 200 a year. Oh and you get 25 days off a year with genrous sick leave allowance.
So..10K is actually worth 12,400 , plus if the new job is only 20 days off a year, that 1 more weeks work you are giving a year.
So IF you said to a recruitment agent (who by the way are the lying scum 90% of the time) "I make 13,000 a year"..whats wrong with that?
If you say 10K and you get offered a new job for 11K, your losing 1,400 a year.

This is why you never give specific details to a recruitment agent.

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Excellent points....

by robo_dev In reply to ethics..

years ago I went from an IT job that paid overtime to a higher salary that did not pay overtime...that complicates things.

If you get paid a bonus, that amount is variable and unknown, so that opens the door to a whole world of story-telling :)

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Some advice from my Dad

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to The complication with lyi ...

You can die for principles, but you can't feed your family with them.

You didn't lie anyway, you told them what they'd have to pay you, if they didn't like it they should have said no. Your value to them is what you can do for them, not what you did for someone else. Otherwise you could ask for your 100k salary as a CIO to be carried into your new job as a burger flipper!.

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My dads advice regarding being 'indispensible'

by robo_dev In reply to Some advice from my Dad

He'd say that the organization is like a bucket of water, and your hand in the bucket represents your role in the company.

Take your hand out of the bucket and see what difference it makes to the bucket of there a big gap or hole?

Heck no.

Therefore don't get lazy and think the place will go out of business if you are not there, it wont.

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