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    Speech peeves 202

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    by oz_media ·

    Well I think I’ve bitched about this in the past but WHY CAN’T PEOPLE LEARN SAYINGS PROPERLY!?!?!?

    I was just chatting on one of my band boards and some guy in the US (NH I think) was giving a guy from Sweden an lesson in English for his broken Swedish/English writing style, which I don’t stand for and remove the posts immediately. I bitch here but don’t allow people flaming each other on band sites, it gets out of hand, these forums are at least some tactful flaming, not just FU A Hole etc.

    The guy is trying to tell the Swedish poster that he speaks terrible English and then starts giving examples. Including a comparisson where he used THEN instead of THAN (GOOOOOOD I hate that!!!!!)

    “… with the crowd more then any of them.”

    “THEN any of them”, I HATE it when people do that!

    The other BIGGIE that really gets under my skin is when people say “I could care less” instead of; “I COULDN’T care less”

    Now I know my grammar isn’t that great, especially when thinking while chatting, you end up creating fragmented sentences when editing and my typos are everywhere. But this is just TERRIBLE use of the English language, in this case being used to flame someone else who made some great comments and has an English barrier as it is NOT his country’s first language, unlike the knob who flamed him.

    People who can’t SPEAK proper English can’t write it either. They hear words and THAN think it is written how it sounds, in this case due to an accent.

    There was a show a while back on degraded English in the US that ends up causing some really important communications to be misinterpreted, there are professional linguists that many schools, and branchs of government call to ensure they are using proper English. Those linguists say it is atrocious just how many people, EDUCATED people can’t write the most basic English words as the accent where they grew up has had them thinking it was spelled differently.

    They said the ONE group that HASN’T changed it’s language over time is also the main brunt of English correction in Schools, black Americans. The rest of Americans have SLID their language over time, now several words will sound exactly the same due to people’s accent. This who are said to be speaking poor American English, black Americans, get chastized by teachers, held behind to repeat grades, and even suspended with home/private schooling suggested. Yet they are also the ones who’s language DOES date back to America’s beginnings, and hasn’t wavered and changed the way most other accents in teh USA have over time. They say it will take less than 30 years before the English dictionary would be cut back by nearly 100 words as the words all sound the same and get written the same with US accents, although they are actually different words with completely different meanings.

    I don’t mind when someone doesn’t know a word or simply spells it incorrectly, I don’t know all the English words, that’s a pretty big task to take on. To see someone correcting another and using ‘idiot English’ to do so just irritates me to no end though.

    So once again, English 202 I suppose, I am SO irritated by the misuse of the world’s most widespread language has pissed me off enough to actually post about it.

    WHY can’t people learn to write in English instead of accents? Oh well, I feel better now anyway.

    Mind you , I just posted this to Network Admin and forgot to check the Miscellaneous box. My apologies to those seeking Net Admin threads.

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    • #3192940

      Feel better? ;-)

      by jmgarvin ·

      In reply to Speech peeves 202

      So Oz, do you feel better now? I know that it is frustrating to see grammatical and spelling errors, but you have to realize that many times people are in a hurry.

      On that note: I do hate it when people slaughter the technical part of english. It is IMPOSSIBLE to understand what you want or need if you can’t communicate the issue.

      I am happier THEN a clam 🙂

      • #3192906

        Yeah sorry

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Feel better? ;-)

        It just went right up one side of me and down the next, MAN does that ever bug me. Worse than nails on a chalkboard!

    • #3192921

      it happens

      by jaqui ·

      In reply to Speech peeves 202

      all the time.

      this is one of the few sites where I rarely see anyone flaming someone for thier english.
      ( only actually saw one post like that, the next the flamer got flamed for it. )

      now, if Oz was to be posting in english like someone from .. say india or china, where they do not use english as the primary language, then I could see flaming him for it.

      tease him about typos, yup will do.
      ( after all we all make typos and should concider proofreading our posts for them )

      burning someone when everything about thier post says english is not thier first language, nope, try to understand with grammar errors etc, but not flame.

      • #3192907

        How very conCiderate of you

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to it happens

        I thought you said people should consider proofreading their posts? LOL! 😀 GOTCHA!

        Let me guess, you did that on purpose, right?

        • #3192885

          ROTFLMAO!

          by jmgarvin ·

          In reply to How very conCiderate of you

          I love that Oz edited the post!! 🙂

        • #3192880

          Added the smiley

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to ROTFLMAO!

          Sometimes people get the wrong impression if you’re not adding smileys.

          Other edits I do include, reading the post and realizing it was a bit to offensive and abusive, a missed space betweenwords, or words with letters erversed etc.

          I don’t bother with notepad and spell checking, as you MAY have noticed if you read really carefully (or if you are deaf dumb and blind). Some people care enough to take the time, not I. If I was being paid for the copy, I would perfect it, as I am not, I don’t.

          Look at my posts, EVERY one of them has edits, unless I get even lazier. I will often go in and correct the really bad mistakes and leave most of them in there, again because I can’t be bothered.

        • #3173581

          whereas

          by jaqui ·

          In reply to Added the smiley

          I leave it be.
          I try to proofread every post, and usually catch my typos before actually posting.

          and yup, concidering it was about being uneducated I did spell like that on purpose. ~g~
          phonetics ya know.

    • #3192837

      Irregardless of Your Viewpoint…

      by dmambo ·

      In reply to Speech peeves 202

      …I think that the real issue is that most people don’t read a lot of edited text, like books, and therefore don’t get a chance to see the correct usage.

      • #3192749

        What is this “book” you speak of?

        by jmgarvin ·

        In reply to Irregardless of Your Viewpoint…

        🙂

        • #3174558

          Must be a typo

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to What is this “book” you speak of?

          It could have been nook, mook, vook, cook, hook, gook, fook if they keyboard was too small.

        • #3174512

          If Penthouse came in hardcover…

          by dmambo ·

          In reply to Must be a typo

          you wouldn’t need to ask.

          Oh man, I just used “Penthouse”, “came” and “hard” in the same sentence. What would my sainted mother think of her boy now?

      • #3174560

        EXACTLY!

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Irregardless of Your Viewpoint…

        That’s it one the nose. Illiteracy!

        That is the whole problem they say there is with accents, people HEAR words and when they don’t hear them correctly they interpret them wrong.

      • #3174555

        LOL DMambo you stole my thunder!!

        by tomsal ·

        In reply to Irregardless of Your Viewpoint…

        “Irregardless” I absolutely “love to hate” how people say that. Not to be racial, this is merely an observation of the people I work with , but the large majority of offenders of the term “irregardless” are the African American population.

        I get tired of sounding off about it in joking form..that now I don’t even try to correct them.

        Now THAN…the word is regardless! lol

        • #3174514

          “So Wasn’t I”

          by dmambo ·

          In reply to LOL DMambo you stole my thunder!!

          That’s another that makes me nuts. Perhaps these folks mean “so WAS I”.

          My wife hates it when I say “a whole ‘nother thing” so, of course, I say it all the time.

        • #3174493

          I hate

          by jmgarvin ·

          In reply to “So Wasn’t I”

          It don’t do nothing. Ug!
          Warsh the car…blech!
          It’s is a nice day…ARG!
          Para-dig-um….AAAAHHHHRRRGGGGG!!!

          Why can’t people pick up on every day vocabulary and grammer?

        • #3174269

          OR

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to I hate

          DrowndED

          What’s with moving the E and adding an extra D on the end?

          OR (ick!)

          DiveDED! THERE it is AGAIN!

        • #3173596

          Prof that used

          by jmgarvin ·

          In reply to OR

          confuse-ed. ARG! CONFUSED…it is all one word. Not confuse-ed. Who is ed and why are we confusing him?

        • #3173209

          y’ know

          by jaqui ·

          In reply to Prof that used

          has to be one of the worst.
          y’ know?

          I know one person that regularly uses it 5 times in a single sentence. drives me to wanting to kill.

        • #3173135

          LIKE

          by dmambo ·

          In reply to Prof that used

          I was talking to my 12 year old daughter and she was like, “Can I borrow $10?” And I was like “Not until you learn to speak properly.” So, she was like “What are you talking about?” And I was like “I’ll just keep my money.”

          The other thing that gets to me is the difference on our definitions of “borrow”.

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