Steve Irwin

understand the frivolity and I am horribly offended.

:)

of cleaning up the gene pool sometimes.....

But I can imagine.

He's had the wizz taken out of him in a number of sketch shows over here. They usually end up with him being eaten by something.

:D

Nope I remember it :-)

BTW, last evening I was thinking about this thread . There is not one sub-thread on Sting rays, crocdiles or snakes. Not one sub-thread on natural conservation. Not a sub-thread on venom or ferocious bites :-)

Humans are utmost interesting :-)

get it while it is hot! :D

http://www.hvideos.com/videos/TV/Stewe_Irwin_RIP

They don't say how long the link will be live.

It is admirable he was doing admirable work.

However:

1) his children probably were not involved in the decision.

2) if his family did not bring him the most happiness in life, why did he start a family?

BTW...if everyone is going to jump Michael Jackson for holding his baby over a rail with 2 hands...everyone who did needs to ride Steve Irwin's case for holding his baby in only one arm with a 1500 lb croc within 4 feet of him.

Both were stupid. Both were dangerous.

How can you pass on your family business to your children of 8 (her) and 3 (him) years of age?

I won't say he didn't do good work...he did. Absolutely.

However, I would never knowingly put myself in any imminent danger that would prematurely leave my children without their father.

And, he could have brought that information to people...without being in harm's way.

The problem is, that's almost too close to the truth to be funny!

:D

but not quite! :^0

I have watched that clip about 12 times already today and I laugh each and everytime. :D

Yes, South Park the movie is one of my all time favorite comedies! B-)

I was surprised to read recently that the creators are NOT liberals, and are actually ANTI-liberal. They do a good enough job of slamming everyone (accept for muslims [b]NOW[/b]) that you have a hard time getting a bias from them. Just the way I like it!

'scuse me, gotta go listen to Cartman sing about Kyles mom now.

oh my god! Kid Rock covered this song? :0

WEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL, kyles mom is a big fat b!tch, shes the meanest b!tch in the whole wide world......

Nowhere in my post that you quoted did I mention "croc"...

Just thought I'd point that out...I'm quite aware it was a stingray.

He made a stupid move, and came in over the ray as there was a camera man in front of the ray...

basically...he cornered a wild animal...stupid move...

And don't get me wrong...the guy did great work pushing preservation and environmentalism...

But...no matter how much of a "stunt" or "show"...it's stupid to take an unnecessary risk...

This whole branch of the discussion, starting with Tink's post, is about the "croc incident".

Next time you want to change the subject, raise your hand! :-)

But I make [b]SHMBO[/b] think that it's Her Idea. :D

Or I buy something for myself that I really want and then give it to [b]SHMBO[/b] as a present. This works particularly well with Classic Mercedes and then she can't complain about the amount of money that I spend on them restoring them as I'm not spending money on myself but her. :p

Unfortunately that trick doesn't work with Motor Cycles and I'm constantly reminded of the fact that the one that I gave her I took back & used for Classic Racing so I've not tried that stunt again well there hasn't been a Vincent on the market either so maybe I'll try it if I ever see one that she's not aware of. :^0

Besides a few computers [b]SHMBO[/b] owns everything in the house as it was all bought for her benefit even those cheap rubbish Snap On Hand Tools that I continue to buy because they treat her Cars better. Well at least I let her think that. :^0 :D

Col ]:)

Motor Racers as well?

I used to drive both cars & bikes well in excess of 200 MPH in total safety and I never felt that I was doing anything dangerous but driving to & from the track was entirely another matter.

Granted I don't play with Animals as they are not my thing but speed was and still is and while I'm now getting old and way to slow to drive fast now days I still manage a few quick laps from time to time. Both of my children where brought up with High Performance Vehicles from the moment that they arrived and as yet neither one of them has ever got a traffic ticket for anything at all. But they are now only in their early 30's and both keep telling everyone who will listed that [b]Speed Never hurt anyone but the sudden stop is Dangerous. [/b] :^0

Col ]:)
Hang head in shame because of a Java Typo. :(

Ok take this comparison:

[b]Driving.[/b] One slip and it could end in disaster. We are all taught how grave the dangers of the road are when we first learn. And we are very nervous. But then after years of doing it, we become very comfortable with driving. It become natural. We start to do things that we really shouldn't like change the radio, talk on a cell phone, eat food, look for something in your bag or purse, etc etc.
And I'm sure the majority of people will admit to doing these things, [b]even with their babies or young children in the car.[/b] (Add turning to look or yell at the kids to the list of don'ts that we do).
Has the potential of an accident lessened? NO. We simply have become so used to the act of driving that we are desensitized to the dangers. We do not think twice about having our children in the car, and doing the things that we are comfortable doing, even if it's something we really shouldn't be doing. It's the Comfort Zone.

Perhaps that comparison can put it into perspective for the less empathetic folks.

Tink :)

[FYI: I believe that empathy is more real than sympathy. Sympathy just means you feel bad for the person but don't really know what they feel. Empathy means you can actually place yourself in their shoes and see their POV or know what they feel]

JD, I don't mean to trivialize anyones plight but we all have to recognize that there are very few things in our lives that we are 100% in control. We all take chances and don't really recognize them as such. I, myself have lived thru two tornados that remove the house above ny house while I was still in it. I did not let go, that was the difference that finds me still here today. Chances and choices cross our paths everyday and most choices are reflex and chances are natural. I trust in God to not put me where dire choices have to be made and I pray that I am never placed in a position to have to choose between the lesser of two evils because either choice will affect someones life, be it mine or another. Most often reflex action will be to the better, but sometimes they are to our own advantage and not advantages to others.

the family lives on a croc farm... Terri Irwin said it best I think:
"Which is more responsible: To introduce your children to the animals that live in your backyard, and give them experience with them, or in our case not do that and have them wander into the croc pen because they don't know any better?"

1 month old babies here are taught to swim so that if something goes horribly wrong they don't drown.

Both of my children where taken for a Motor Cycle ride when they where only a few days old and where constantly taken for drives in Race Cars whenever they where at the track. No I'm not meaning Road Bikes either the racing ones where what they where always taken on and they just accepted the fact that they could only go near these things when I was around.

To this day I still have trouble believing what I saw my son do when he was about 3 years old a friend came up to visit and he parked his Motor Cycle in the back yard and my son climbed up over hot exhaust pipes & mufflers to sit on the seat well actually the tank so he could reach the handle bars and roll the throttle around. :)

The same child wouldn't go anywhere near one of the Race Bikes but would play all day with any Road Bike that he could get near.

Col

I wonder if his last words were "Crikey!" or "Son of a Bitch!"?

Those of you who wish to compare the episode with Irwin holding his child should pay more attention to details. The "gloved wonder" held his child suspended several feet from the street level over a rail with no thought to having ANYONE close enough should things go awry. Irwin had staff and camera crew right next to him and there IS a difference. This is definitely an issue where people will only see and feel what they wish, and will not be "swayed" by any representation of the facts. I may not have agreed with all of his methodology, but his actions during his lifetime brought a keen awareness of animal wildlife to people around the world.

He was doing what he felt was successful rearing as he had been exposed to by his own father at an early age. Would that more modern-day fathers show enough concern for their children to provide experiences other than PlayStations and movies...

I hear and read all the "comments" about Steve Irwin and his techniques. Mabye the baby incident was a bit over board but we can be assured that no one can question his love for his family. Steve was loaded with enthusiasim for his passion of helping all the "non-human" forms of life on this planet. He knew that tv shows of a walk throught the zoo saying this is an alligator, this is a snake, etc would not draw the attention to the issues at hand as much as hands on activities and shows. If we all had not only a passion but were as passionate about doing something about it as he was this world would be in a different state than it is today. We all need to be passionate ambassadors for something in this life to better this world we live in and you won't find a better example to follow than Steve.

Take care all and God Bless.
Mike

Peter Brook AKA Peter Perfect, King of the Mountain died yesterday while competing in a rally.

Peter now retired from V8 Racing was driving his rally car when he lost control and spun into a tree instantly killing himself and severely injuring his Co-Driver.

I'm wondering just how much press coverage this got around the world considering that the Bathurst 1000 which is a very popular Long Distance Race is telecast World Wide and the multi winner of this event something like 9 or 10 successful attempts at this race has just died.

Col

do not make up for the bad.

You want a difference? At least Jackson used BOTH HANDS.

The crew would have been on hand to save Steve from death had something gone wrong, but if he got knocked over and the baby got dropped, gulp,and gone. Your admiration for the man has you making excueses for him.

not parents, so they have no idea what they are talking about, or they are blinded by hero worship and making excuses.

We had all of our kids in the moms and tots swim programs at about 6 months. At six months they haven't figured out fear of water.

But we didn't have programs after that and with other ones on the way didnt' have time to keep it up.

As a result, we started all over again when they hit two/two and a half, and by theis time they were scared of water. And we had many friends who went through exactly the same experience.

Do you honestly think a one month old will retain anything about crocs?

James

to open anything. Get some perspective here.

you would discriminate against humor based on it's colo(u)r? :0

(and dark or not, are you going to tell me that you didn't laugh before you stopped yourself? :D )

I just couldn't help myself. All I could do was think of the old "Helen Keller" joke about "What did Helen Keller say when she fell off a cliff? Nothing, she was wearing mittens...."

Sorry, I just "roll that way". :|

...did not have the same reaction that you suggest. But if I thought the person deserved it, then maybe I would displayed the reaction.

by my roomie telling me the shocking news of Steve's demise. I'm still in shock & mourning!!! I'm a BIG fan of Steve Irwin. I, along with the the rest of his fans, will miss him greatly. I can only take solace in the knowlege that he died doing what he loved and he is now with God and the spirits of all the animals he tried to save, but couldn't. He's in a MUCH better place than we are!!! It's too bad that it's a fact that it's the good that die young. :(

What Steve's done for Mother Nature is truely inspirational to us all...if we jsut use the grey matter we have to GET his message!!!...His legacy will live on!

My prayers are with Terri as I know what she is going through. I am a widow, too. My biggest regret is that the children will grow up without their Father to teach them in the SAME manner HE was taught by HIS Father. My prayers are with them, too, that they can learn from their Mother what and how Steve wanted them to. I also pray that they stay unscathed by the assinignity of the ignorant morons who diss their Father.

To all you idiotic, moronic imbiciles who diss Steve because of the way he introduced his OWN child(ren) to wildlife(...if you'd TRUELY learn about animals and wildlife yourselves you'd actually understand more about Mother Nature and would see how stoopid your current views really are) STFU!!! It's YOUR perogotive to raise your kids the way you see fit (and I feel sorry for them!) And by the same token, it was Steves right to raise his kids the way HE saw fit. I agree with him 150%!!!

Because of Steve Irwin this world is a better place for wildlife around the Globe. This is his legacy. We should ALL respect, LEARN it and pass it on to our next generations...the SAME way he passed it on to his family, those who knew him personally and the rest of us!

Reason for edit: I spelled Terri's name wrong and had to correct it...so SUE me!!!

Extremely well stated! I agree with you 100%!

A Biology/Wildlife/Animal Psychology/Zoology Lesson for you [i]ppl[/i]......Let's get something [b]abundantly[/b] [u]clear[/u] here and now.....

That was an AMERICAN ALLIGATOR that Steve was giving that chicken to while holding his son in his other arm...NOT a Crocodile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alligators (while in the Crocodilian FAMILY) are [b][u]NOT[/u][/b] nearly as aggressive as TRUE Crocodiles. THIS is WHY Steve used an ALLIGATOR for that LESSON in the FIRST place!!!!!!

Secondly, Steve KNEW each and every animal he worked with at his zoo. He knew every single 'idiosyncrosy' and behavioral pattern of each and every animal there!!! He KNEW this particular ALLIGATOR and that it was a good candidate for the use of 'demonstrating' to the puplic and teaching his son, at the same time, in a reasonably SAFE manner.

ALL who work with animals KNOW those animals and the 'risks' that go along with working with them. I have trained horses most of my life. I know the risks involved with doing that. I even know how to 'read' a horse I've never worked with before and can 'predict' how that horse will react to certain stimuli. This is no different than the knowlege Steve used on the day he introduced his son to wildlife for the first time.

I know by first hand experience about ALLIGATORS, also. I grew up only three miles straight east of Cinderella's Castle at Walt Disney World in Orlando, Florida on Pocket Lake. That lake, as well as all the others that were a part of the Butler Chain of Lakes (and all the other bodies of fresh water in Florida, for that matter) are FULL of ALLIGATORS. As a kid, I got up close and personal with a couple of them MYSELF!!!

Anyone living on lakefront property, such as my family did, knew/knows that the ONLY way an alligator will attack humans is if they are very hungry and are unable to catch their REGULAR diet of fish, turtles, birds and scavaging due to sickness and old age; OR feel threatened like all animals...[u]including[/u] [b][i]Homo Sapiens[/i]!!!!![/b]

Given a choice, ALL animals will RUN from a perceived threat. If they can't run then they'll fight. This is called "The flight or fight response". The gator Steve was working with had absolutely no reason to feel threatened. All it knew was that it was getting an extra snack for the day in addition to its normal rations.

ALL of Steve's animals are VERY WELL fed!!! That chicken was just a treat, bait if you will, to get a response from the ALLIGATOR. Even if Steve MAY have actually fallen down, that 'gator would have been a lot more busy with that chicken than with Steve or his son because gators eat birds in the wild!!! I've watched gators snatch birds such as Cranes, Ducks, Blue Herons and the like with my own eyes!

In addition to which, Steve had grounds people all over the place all the time in case of 'emergency' who would have stepped in just like rodeo clowns to protect Steve and his son. you just don't see them on camera!!! He did it in a very contolled situation. Guess you morons didn't know or THINK about THAT one!!!...did ya :|

I'm soooo verrry SICK to DEATH about all you ignoramouses dissing Steve for teaching his OWN child the way HE saw fit to do it!!! I feel sooo sorry for YOUR kids for having such moronic "parents"!!!!!

Edited for a modicum of..... .... ... [i]refinement[/i]?

or have ANY knowlege of things ALWAYS do that instead or RESEARCHING and GAINING understanding and knowlege. It's [u][b]EASIER!!![/u][/b]

David Attenborough's shows and still would if I could find them on TV.

However, he's NOT a Zoologist!!!...only a narrative commentator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Attenborough

Steve had FIRST HAND knowlege of what he was talking about. ;)

You're comparing apples with oranges. :|

From the little I have read so far, "Peter Perfect" was a man who has accomplished more that your sorry ass ever will? Perfect? Close enough for a long time.

Over here there are schools for infants up wards and if they start off liking the water they don't grow to fear the water. I don't know if that is a Good or Bad thing but that's the way that it is.

With our long summers and swimming pools so common it's entirely different here but he majority of drownings are of toddlers who wonder off and fall into a creek dam and can't get out again and drown there are a few swimming pool drownings but with regulations that where introduced several years ago that has dropped off dramatically.

I personally found that with my children the fact that they grew up from the very beginning around racing vehicles made them wary of them they both knew that they where only allowed near then when I was around they wouldn't even go near one when their mother was around and on occasion I had to pick one of them up on a Road Bike from Kindergarten which confused the Hell out of some people with both of them bashing my back with their crash helmets to go faster. It built up very strong arm and grips on both of them. That maybe why both can swim so well though neither had the [b]Killer Instinct[/b] that one of their swimming partners had when they where younger as both used to train with Kerrin Perkins and while they enjoyed being around him neither wanted to compete they just swam for fun which I found to be the best option. I've seen way too many competitive swimmers driven way too hard only to drop out before they reached their full potential. The Swimming Coach they we chose used to be driven nuts by both of the children as they could both swim well but neither wanted to compete like Kerrin they just enjoyed the experience.

I'm a firm believer in [b]Water Proofing Children[/b] as here we have far too many possible places where they can get into trouble and die unnecessarily.

What you have to remember is that in Irwin's case the Crock Pens and all the rest are his back yard so I can understand his and his wifes beliefs and though I may not necessarily agree with them I'm not the one on the spot so I don't know what would be the best solution for my children if I lived in that situation. All I can say is that when my children where young they where exposed to what I had in my Back Yard and Garage and they both learnt a health respect for the things in there.

On the down side Both claim to own [b]My Ducati[/b] they both think that I'm only storing it for them. The same thing goes for [b]My WV Beetle as well.[/b] :D

Col

...many who are popular, then you would be in the top :-) Maybe we can have an election on Nov 6th, whad da ya say ? :-)

What an offensive sense of "humor" you have! Your mother should take away your computer privileges for a week and wash your mouth out with soap.

Steve Irwin, Peter "Perfect" Brook, and Helen Keller all have something in common that you do not have: They were winners who will be remembered for many years by many people after their passing.

This website should be of help to you:
http://tinyurl.com/6wbv

It's good to see that you have such a big heart. Y'all come back now, ya' hear?

And your ability to post your ^%#^%# opinion with such ^%#*%^# clarity is ****** astounding.

I disagree with you. People doing things like Steve and MJ did in front of the press and dozens of cameras to make certain that others will see it kind of forces it on me when I [b]am[/b] minding my own business if I watch any current news programs. If their actions had been meant only for a private/personal audience and the pictures and video were stolen and released to the press that would be a different story.

I'm sure that makes me one of ^%#^%#^ %#^%# ****** [b]them[/b]. :0

assessment might be right on the money? People, or the family of people who have been attacked by an alligator or crocodile.

It's best to leave that type of behavior to the experts..I wouldn't want you to further injure yourself by excessive #*$&#)@ keying.

the bovines..nice and rare.

Now, I'm hungry. And I don't feel like cooking or cleaning. How can I convince my husband to stop watching his Clint Eastwood movie and take me out for lunch?

"I think it's best to... practice loving for a while before you think about the other."

http://tinyurl.com/kwnuz

Apparently after the Autopsy the body is going to be returned to the family for a State Funeral. I don't know where that puts the girlfriend that he's been living with for the past year or so but that's what happening.
Irwin's family on the other hand refused a State Funeral and it's been reported that he was buried sometime over the weekend at a private function.

Naturally there will be a Memorial Service for the General Public to attend which I think his father is organising.

Col

think that quote will get me lunch.

He's (Clint) gone to town to settle his old score..so I think the end must be near. I can 15 minutes or so.

Why do these gun battles take so damn long? It's worse than a car chase.

going to save about 15 minutes worth of movie watching it's not really worth the effort.

Why do the gun battles take so long? Hmmm...

Got nuthin'. :|

...is why we resort to start calling names and take condescending tones :-(

Some like him, some dislike him and some really are neutral (so to speak). Some are fans and some are not fans. Some disapprove the baby-incident, some condone, and some just don't care [b]much[/b].

So, it is one thing to argue and try to convince others to see your point of view, but it is one more think to look down upon others and resort to IMDB-like discussions. Yeah, I can see that at IMDB pre-teens and teens get into discussions and sometimes they start flaming and calling names - kid stuff. But here at TR?

Oh well, we will be kids always at heart. Sometimes my hands itch to get into White Sox discussion boards during the games and just tease them or taunt them. It would be soooooooooooooo fun. I know I would be banned in few seconds.

The famous (?) car chase in the movie Bullit though long was a treat to watch. I am fan of Steve, oh his stunts were gooood.

At least it isn't something stupid like the car tally in the "Smokey and the bandit" series.

"Daddy, my zippers stuck!" :D

Infamous....... :p

I didn't notice? :p

Hackman was killer in that roll.

Did I mention Stone was hot in her tight leather? ]:)

Did you get your lunch or not?

Inquiring carnivores want to know!

you'd have realised that I was talking about the information that I get from programs produced by Attenborough [b]and his team of researchers[/b] being of a far higher class than anything Irwin ever produced.

Irwin was no more trained zoologist than Attenborough and, I would reckon, was considerably less of an authority on any zoological matter other than the ability to piss creatures off.

I think, in comparing the front-men of zoological programs, I've pretty much got the fruit match sorted.

Neil :)

p.s. Quoting wiki? Well, that's me put in my place!

I think the part that I find most frustrating is the effort on many of your parts to offer such decisive judgement on someone and something you know nothing about. Just how open is your life and are you really free from a lapse in judgement yourself if all of these readers were to get a peek behind your curtain? Do your financial decisions that you take for granted risk your entire families well being? Does your child's health and education always come first? Do you truly exercise the caution you should when you "need" to have your child in the car?

I would venture to say that if we spent less time examing what we "rule" to be idiotic or careless and more time evaluating our own worth as it relates to our capabilities, the result would be progress beyond our expectations. Are you being the best human being you can be or are you too pre-occupied with the fallibility of those around you?

but it was not very good. All that work and waiting for bad service and a mediocre burger. The salad was good, though.

I don't believe it. You noticed. :)

Hal's point about teaching kids to not be afraid of the water brought to mind something I've seen on the news: A certain type of swimming lesson where you actually throw/toss/place your baby/toddler into the water and let them instinctively react to the water. Of course the parents and the instructor are there. But I don't know if I could ever do this to my baby. Maybe it would have been better than teaching them when they get older (my 5 year old son is terrified to let go of me or the pool wall) But on the other hand, my 9 year old and 11 year old picked it up very quickly (a cpl of weeks).

It's a matter of opinion/personal comfort.

I can not condone poor service. There is a difference between food I don't like and someone that just can't be bothered to properly wait the table.

I have also found that the busier the place is, the better service you often get. They are on their toes and on top of their game when it is busy. When it is slow, break time and they just can't be bothered.

Steve.....You make alot of presumptions here about me. I have a fairly well self examined life thank you. And since I have secret clearance, yes others have examined it as well.

And I would tell you this. If you or anyone else, sees me endanger my kids, you can and should call the appropriate authorities.

You can argue about the croc/baby situation till the cows come home. To me, and others obviously, what he did in that case was reckless. Thats not to say he didn't do many great things.

I admire William Jefferson Clinton's work on AIDs after he left the presidency. Instead of joining a bunch of corporate boards and raking it in, he decided to work on something less financially rewarding and more spiritually rewarding. Good for him. I hate the way he handled Rwanda.

Does one forgive the other - no. One may outweigh the other in my thinking, but its not as simple in my mind as one cancelling out the other - you can accept someone warts and all - and we all have a few "warts".

As for the baby swimming, my point was/is that newborns are comfortable in the water because thats where they came from. This comfort level continues on for months, but unless you can continue to expose them to the water environment, they will lose that comfort.

Thus the baby pool thing (they never threw them but they did allow them to free float) at 6 months was a nice activity for mother and child but did not contribute to the drownproofing later in life. We basically started over again at the age of 2. Perhaps if the program had spanned that gap from baby to toddler, we would not have started from zero.

James

I just heard from a friend that they are going to cancel the idea about making a Croc Hunter Sunscreen. It isn't able to stop dangerous rays.

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Jesus said it best: "Ah, Death, where is thy sting?" Besides, everyone knew that Steve had a special place in his heart for stingrays.

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