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Stop Internet Piracy! Network Admins Should Help

By Scottieoo ·
Please read my post on Law School 101 to effectively participate in this forum. (you will have to scroll down a bit)

---"How about taking things on your own shoulders and do something like I've suggested further down this page which I notice you have not responded to. This is your property so you should be in the first line of defense in protecting your assets. After all you would hardly leave a large sum of money in your house/unit and then go out leaving everything wide open and expect it to still be there when you returned would you?" (HAL 9000, 03/19/05)---

Please be patient - I am trying my best to combat all your valid arguments. However this is exponentially growing out of my control, ironically. I seem to be alone here, as no one is on my side (well maybe except for Microsoft, and the music industry).

All I want is for ISPs to stop hiding and actually use their powers to aid law enforcement. We can not police this problem without the help of the people who control the internet.
ISPs can help the police and provide them with a road map to the front door of all the cyber geeks out there who think they can intimidate the police officers and the musical hippies with their technical knowledge on how to steal stuff.
We need to take action as piracy is climbing and industry is falling.

ISPs control the internet and police need to work with them just like they do with hackers, viruses, spam, child porn, and other criminal actions. All they need to do is use this existing relationship to start a new crusade against internet piracy and force this growing figure back around the other way!
I don?t want control, I want co-operation (maybe a little utopian for this world). But as I have said, we need governance; the internet is in our society as much as we want to hold it as another dimension way back in the corner of our psyche.
People use the streets, police use the streets, people use the internet...

Police use the internet?
I don?t care about the music industry?s pitfalls, I am more interested in software piracy, and image piracy (like image re-production, child porn, etc). It is just that the music industry have the biggest voice on the issue. The point I am trying to make is that people are stealing their music and that is a FACT that does not require discussion here.
I agree people should be responsible for their own work and take civil actions toward internet piracy, however why should we do the work of the police. We should be more concerned with using the full potential of our creative freedom than worrying about thieves that scare us from publishing our work.
I would like to hear Michael Moore?s opinion on the issue. Maybe just like when Michael Moore went to the head of Kmart and stopped the sale of bullets which are used to kill people, he should go to the headquarters of the FBI with a few music industry people and demand they take away the ?bullets? of the internet which are used to steal our property!

I have been an advocator of file sharing communities for a long time. However as a digital product designer I am very frustrated when people steal my work. I am inclined to now agree with the music industry on piracy, however while still keeping to the advantages of file share communities and the power of the Internet.

One solution that seems to have been adopted heavily throughout the industry is this WMA format and other file protection systems. However this is very frustrating especially when you try to copy the music to a non-compatible device like Apples iPod.

My solution is to pass legislation to make network administrator and ISPs implement at least some sort of filtering process into their firewalls. They should take some actions toward what content their users are sending throughout the internet. This does not have to require millions of dollars in infrastructure and man power. Instead, automated policing software could be implemented into firewalls that randomly check public information on hosts (such as Limewire file sharing) and network administrators and ISPs could detect their users breaking company policies by advocating internet piracy. ISPs could send email notification about disabling their accounts if they do not remove the offending content.

This would be a simple solution to internet piracy and make network owners and ISPs to a certain degree help law enforcement take action for their user?s content. This could potentially have the ramification of finally thwarting the use of internet piracy and providing government with a police presence on the internet.

Maybe we need a new organisation that ISPs can join to bring organisation and standards to the industry?

The government governs technology of which people use, people are also governed by the government and people use the government for protection from the use of technology of which people use.

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by Jaqui In reply to Stop Internet Piracy! Ne ...

then your phone company and cable company are liable for any nuisance phone calls / unwanted content in tv show that you receive / watch

it won't work, which is why legislation making carriers liable hasn't been passed.

every phone company, every cable company, on top of the internat access providers would be fighting that idea.
they only carry signal, they do not control content.

it's been looked at I believe, but was tossed as unworkable.

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I agree, However...

by Scottieoo In reply to okay,

Companies already implement filters to stop viruses, hackers, and spam. So why not add a filter for Piracy using a central online database? I am not saying hold ISPs completely liable, however it should be passed in the legislation for them to add some sort of user watch dog of internet piracy. Or maybe they could aid already implemented government agencies in the fight against piracy instead of just disregarding it as a user issue that has nothing to do with their service.

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by awfernald In reply to I agree, However...

First off... who pays for it? If the people who are concerned about it want to pay for it, then... ok, that's one barrier removed.

Secondly, you talk about viruses, hackers and spam. These are all incidents where a specific signature exists (which can be checked for), or a specific set of actions is taking place (which can be checked for). However, the difference between pirated and non-pirated material is absolutely zero! So, how do you monitor which copy of that material that is going across the firewall right now is licensed, and which one isn't?

Now, back to the original question, who pays for it?

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Good question...

by Scottieoo In reply to

Music and digital media do hold a signature; it is just more complex than others. That?s why I said not to check every single file, but random files to reduce the burden on network resources. There is software out there that recognises voice and images such as voice, text, face, and image recognition, etc.

As to who pays for it? A combination of ISPs, companies, the music industry (mainly) and government agencies who are interested in the protection of public content.

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All of them would simply pass the cost on to

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Good question...

us. And why not "we're the pirates after all".
Don't trust any of these guys to correctly judge what's mine or theirs.
On top of that P2P software downloads bits of files from several different locations so how would you get a signature off it execept by viewing a source file or waiting until the target was fully transferred.

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Server Software

by Scottieoo In reply to All of them would simply ...

Essentially software on the server would download the file from one IP address as these files are publicly listed on P2P networks. Then they would use voice recognition and other software to detect files that are pirated. Once we know that a certain IP address on a certain date has illegal content it is a simple matter of mapping the actual ISP user account to who was using the IP address on that particular date. Action can be taken like law enforcement officers can intervene or the account can be disable if the offending content is not removed.

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People like the RIAA

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Server Software

already do this simply by installing P2P clients and seeing whose sharing what.
There are a bucket load of practical problems with your proposal.
The server program would have to emulate P2P clients in order to find out what was being shared and then request it over P2P.
If they were sharing then they would be as guilty as the people they are trying to police. If they don't share, other P2P clients will identify them as a leech and give them lo/no priority. Your ISP's address ranges are public so it would be easy to ban 'users' in that address range.
With regular updates the P2P clients would play merry **** with any attempt to do this.

Where is the bandwidth and processor time coming from ?

Whose content is it, dad's, mum's little Johnnies, even more pertinent if you have an open wireless lan, it could be the guy three door's up, or some guy outside your house that day with his portable.

This is just like our current security solutions for virus, spam amd malware. A never ending license to print money and a field day for lawyers

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Response to Tony Hopkinson

by Scottieoo In reply to Server Software

Yes I agree with all the technical hurdles that must be overcome. However with standardization and co-operation with industry bodies, such as P2P networks, maybe government agencies should be allowed priority. If P2P networks where really serious about them not advocating piracy on their networks shouldn?t they help out too?

Essentially who will foot the bill? Government agencies, and the people who want to stop their content from being stolen, i.e. the music industry.

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by TonytheTiger In reply to I agree, However...

How would they know whether the data is protected or not? Are they expected to open every zip file and examine its contents? What if the file is encoded and they can't break the keycode?

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Advanced Pirates Only

by Scottieoo In reply to Implemantation.

Well they could initially scan the files names and tags for artist and song matches. As this is the first thing people see when they are looking to download illegally distributed content. Even then the song content (i.e. signature) could not match, so a form of sound recognition will be implemented on the server software.

As to your concern of them scanning every single file, do police search every single public place all at once for illegal activity? All they need to implement is a random public file checking process. With this ?policing? presence most people will be thwarted by the fact that they can now get caught.

Well if the file is locked or encoded it would take the average non-technical user a substantial amount of time, if at all, to open the file themselves. So therefore if all pirates start to encode their illegal content this would help to stop piracy in itself as average people cannot use these files and only the most advanced pirates will be able to trade in illegal content.

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