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    T-1 Alternative

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    by sitizn wille ·

    I would like some information on t-1 alternatives. We currently have 4 t-1’s and it is very expensive. I am looking for a few ideas for an alternative method. All current t-1’s span close to 100 miles each and i am in a rural area so my options are going to be limited.
    I have been doing some research on microwave, but that seems to be as much or more than the t-1’s we have in place now.
    If anyone has any ideas that would be more cost effective i would greatly appreciate it!!
    Has to be reliable/security is a must.
    Cheers
    Sitizn Willie

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    • #3326958

      Price will depend on provider

      by cactus pete ·

      In reply to T-1 Alternative

      Does your current provider offer fraction of a T-3? Any competitor looking to steal your business?

      Over that distance, speed and reliability being a must, I don’t think you can expect a much better price unless you’ve been continuing a poorly negotiated rate…

    • #3326948

      reduce T1 price

      by afram ·

      In reply to T-1 Alternative

      Whenever the the T1 contract is about up, I get a quote from everyone I can and show the lowest price to the current provider and say, “match this quote or I’ll switch”. They always match the quote and I don’t have to go through the trouble of switching providers.

      Good way to cut some expense.

    • #3328594

      Frame relay

      by jdclyde ·

      In reply to T-1 Alternative

      We switched off our 3 T1’s onto a frame relay and had huge savings. We took it a step further and did VoIP and saved even more.

      We save over 100K a year between line costs and phones.

      • #3328485

        Reply To: T-1 Alternative

        by sitizn wille ·

        In reply to Frame relay

        Only have one provider here, but go through a third party to get our t-1’s they seem to be able to get a better price. But still have to go through the same provider.
        Cheers

      • #3327920

        Frame Relay often uses T’s anyway…

        by tomsal ·

        In reply to Frame relay

        Keep in mind that Frame Relay is a packet-switching protocol, not a medium interface like T1 or ISDN. In the United States the most common medium interface used with the Frame Relay protocol is in fact T-1 and T-3 lines. Other interfaces can be used, but T’s are the most popular…for example I’ve heard of ISDN frame relays (personally all the frame relays I’ve ever directly worked with or used were multiple T-1’s).

        So make sure you ask what “kind” of Frame Relay they offer.

        Prices will vary.

        • #3327888

          My frame is 2 T1’s

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Frame Relay often uses T’s anyway…

          But because it is frame instead of the straight leased lines, the cost is MUCH less.

          ISDN is more expensive than the straight T1’s and slower. Use them only as a last resort!

        • #3327848

          Agreed..Frame is more efficient..good choice.

          by tomsal ·

          In reply to My frame is 2 T1’s

          Yes we have 2 t’s as well with frame, then we have a third which is straight (its voice only).

          ISDN — I was never a huge fan of.

    • #3328457

      Reply To: T-1 Alternative

      by jaqui ·

      In reply to T-1 Alternative

      I guess using ssh and vnc isn’t an option.
      then it’s just local inet access to pay for.
      ( for speed would need high speed access )
      but it would be secure, and definately cheaper than dedicated t1 lines.

    • #3328387

      Reply To: T-1 Alternative

      by glyall ·

      In reply to T-1 Alternative

      If you got 4 -T1’s are you paying for the full T1 for each?
      sometimes the provider does sell off some of the T1 line that you are paying for to other users.
      check and see if they are doing it to you.

      With 4 – T1 lines I think they are.

    • #3327917

      Did you ever analyze your bandwidth requirements?

      by tomsal ·

      In reply to T-1 Alternative

      Note I said “requirements”, not what you would like to have — what is REQUIRED to get the work done you need to get done?

      Over a period of I’d say no less than 2 normal working weeks; but 1 month would be best, log all bandwidth utilization on all the lines.

      Find out if you are wasting the full 4-t’s. If you are why pay for the extra bandwith?

      Don’t pay for 4 full t’s if 2 fulls and one fractional will suffice.

      Also are you paying for dedicated bandwidth (fulltime/full bandwidth) on each t or do you have one of those “burstable” plans (where you pay only for the bandwidth used).

      • #3327885

        Is part of the requirements phone lines?

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to Did you ever analyze your bandwidth requirements?

        This is where VoIP can save you big time.
        Instead of peeling a T1 into 24 dedicated phone lines that sit empty when no calls are going over them, you convert it all to DATA, prioritizing the VoIP traffic. When you are not making phone calls, the bandwidth can be used for the other data traffic. And because you can compress this and cut off the frame headers you can get six to eight calls using the same amount of bandwitdh that one dedicated line uses.

        This is how we cut back on T1.

        Can give more information on what and how we did this if your interested.

        Good luck!

        • #3324214

          T-1 Alternative

          by sitizn wille ·

          In reply to Is part of the requirements phone lines?

          We pay for the full t-1’s and it is a private line. Due to security, we use 4 channels for our phone system between branches, so that helps cut on long distance. Not sure they will do fractional t-1’s here, It took us 6 months to even get them to give us the first t-1 line. We have one mom and pop provider so even if we go through a third party they have buy the bandwith from them. But It sounds like from all I have read on here, that t-1 is far cheaper and better than any alt. Not sure about frame rely, would have to have a t-1 anyways right?
          Cheers
          SW

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