Tarting Up!

By VAR1016 ·
I am about to "tart up" my computers; the newer one gets more memory, a better graphics card and a faster processor.

This means I shall have a spare dual core processor. For the old computer (2003) I have ordered a new motherboard: Asus M2V-MX SE ( ) This accommodates the processor and the ram I have to hand (2GB). I also have a 40GB SATA hard drive coming. I will use the GEForce 8400GS graphics card from the other machine. Sorry about the long introduction; my question: will the Asus motherboard also recognise the old 40GB IDE hardrive that is in the old computer? I am interested in trying to run both hard drives with a view to "having a look" at Vixta.

Thank you


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It has what appears to be an IDE connector

by faradhi In reply to Tarting Up!

on the MB. I would assume (and you know what they say about assume) that it will support the old drive.

Even if it does not, you can purchase a IDE 2 USB enclosure pretty cheap.

Have fun.

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Thank You

by VAR1016 In reply to It has what appears to be ...

Thanks Faradhi,

All will be revealed in due course, and hard drives are not too expensive!


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II you look at the Specifications of this Board

by OH Smeg In reply to Tarting Up!

It supports

VIA? VT8237S South Bridge:
- 2 x UltraDMA 133/100/66/33
- 2 x Serial ATA with RAID 0, RAID 1, JBOD

So that is 2 IDE Chanel's and 2 SATA Drives. You can easily plug in a IDE Drive and still use a IDE Optical Drive or 2 on the other IDE Chanel.


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Excellent (Again)

by VAR1016 In reply to II you look at the Specif ...

Thank you!

Of course I did look at the spec, but naturally, one needs to know what one is looking at (ouch!).

So is it possible to run SATA and IDE off the same motherboard? Sorry if this seems stupid, but I am trying to learn something.

best wishes


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Yes it is Paul

by OH Smeg In reply to Excellent (Again)

You can run IDE & SATA Drives on the same M'Board.

On this one if I am reading it correctly and judging by the Picture I am you can have 4 IDE Drives and 2 SATA Drives connected to this M'Board.

Should give you enough room to do what most people require even if you use a Old HDD from another computer Though from past experience I would advise to keep it backed up in case of failure that will leave you the option of 2 IDE Drives and 2 SATA Drives. I'm assuming that you will use a IDE Optical Drive of some kind here and not a SATA Drive to read/Burn CD/DVD.


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by VAR1016 In reply to Yes it is Paul

Interesting indeed. The old computer has a 40GB hard drive which I assume is IDE and I have a 40GB SATA harddrive on the way from ebay. The DVD burner is I suppose IDE - I boughit two years ago and only found out yesterday that SATA applies also to optical drives!

I propose to use the SATA as the "main drive" with the old one for experiments with Linux... But this will still be a "second computer" - really just in the hope I can learn something without significant risk!

Best wishes


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Well in that case

by OH Smeg In reply to Right...

You will need to leave the IDE Drive in this computer even though the OS isn't installed to it.

This is because the Actual Hardware always treats the IDE Drive as the Default Drive. If it is removed some critical Boot Files will be missing and the system will not boot to Windows. Summarily if it isn't fitted when Windows is installed to the SATA Drive and you then add the IDE Drive the System will not boot to Windows as the Windows Boot Files will not be on the Default Drive.

When Windows gets loaded it can change the SATA Drive to the C Drive and then to all intents & purposes it remains the C Drive till you shut down and restart the install process again.

Just keep that in mind and you'll not go wrong. The only thing that I'm unsure about with this M'Board is that it only states that it can use 2 SATA Drives that number seems a little small to me as all the ones that I have used except some SIS Boards could drive 4 SATA Drives.


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Gets Complicated Doesn't It?

by VAR1016 In reply to Well in that case

OK the computer had factory-installed XP. I have a recovery CD supplied with the machine. Now if I understand you correctly, if I remove the IDE HDD and install the SATA one, with new motherboard ("Carte m?re" in France!) and processor the recovery disc will not work? That would be boring, but I suppose as I have another XP Home disc (and have ordered XP-Pro for the newer computer) I could then install the XP-Home on the old one into its SATA drive?

Sorry to drone on and on about this and I do appreciate your help!


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No problems Paul.

by OH Smeg In reply to Gets Complicated Doesn't ...

Feel free to ask anything you need to know.

Now for starters the Recovery Disc is very unlikely to actually work as it will not have the right or default Drivers for the New M'Boards Chip Set. When the system makers make a Recovery Disc they just include the drivers for the hardware supplied and then any additional software that they send out with the new computer. So it's not likely to work but if you have the time free you can give it a try first if you like.

The XP home will work but you may need to press the F6 Key when the first Blue Screen appears on the Windows Installer as some M'Boards do not support the SATA Drivers and Windows XP doesn't so you need to install the SATA Driver before you can load Windows to the SATA Drive. To follow Windows Install procedures copy the SATA Driver to the Root of a Floppy and when prompted after pressing the F6 Key insert the Floppy into the A Drive and press enter.

Or you can make your own Slipstreamed Install Disc by either following the directions here

or the down loadable version of the same thing here

Or you can use nLite available free here to make a Slipstreamed Install Disc with the SATA Drivers and any new Service Packs that have been included since your copy of Home was made

If you use NLite you'll need to look at the Guides Pages on that site so you can use the software but it's quite simple to do.

When you get your XP Pro Disc you can do a Repair or In Place Install by following the directions here but you'll need a M$ Branded Install Disc not a System Makers Recovery Disc as this option isn't supported with the Recovery Disc's.

If you are planing on keeping the IDE Drive in the system just remember to have it fitted before installing XP as the computer will not boot to Windows if it is fitted latter. There are only a few files that are copied to the IDE Drive but they just point the system to the SATA Drive for a Bootable OS. If they are not there the Hardware looks at the IDE Drive and when it doesn't find anything it spits up an error message along the lines of No Bootable Partition Found Insert the Boot Disc and continue.

It's a Learning Process that you are going through here and it is something =that you'll never forget after it sucks you in a few times.

OH the IDE drive will need to be formatted before you install XP to the SATA Drive. Or you can make a small Partition on it and just let the Windows Installer copy the required files there and use the rest of the drive to load your other OS's onto. Something about 100 MEG should be more than enough space on the IDE Drive for this partition.


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Did I write "Gets complicated"?

by VAR1016 In reply to Gets Complicated Doesn't ...

"Feel free to ask anything you need to know."

Thank you; I hope you won't regret that generous offer...

You wrote: "The XP home will work but you may need to press the F6 Key when the first Blue Screen appears on the Windows Installer as some M'Boards do not support the SATA Drivers and Windows XP doesn't so you need to install the SATA Driver before you can load Windows to the SATA Drive."

The XP Home installed fine on my new computer (SATA)- which previously had Vista installed - and the motherboard I have bought for the second machine supports SATA; I presume that the SATA drivers will be on the CD that should come with the motherboard? If they aren't, then where do I find them?

Thanks again and also in advance!


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