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The big OS whine

By Oz_Media ·
Once again we find ourselves in the middle of a MS pi$$ing contest. Which OS is better ,as if that is actually a question needing an answer.

First off, whatever works for YOU is best for YOUR case.

Vista users don't say " YOU HAVE TO INSTALL VISTA", but anytime the OS is mentioned, XP fanboys start the endless line of useless complaints, for what reason I really do not know.

Perhaps it is the thought of being left behind? Everyone likes to be 'up to date' in the PC market, if that's possible.

Perhaps it is that they have just got the hang of the last OS and feel challenged at the thought of learning something new?

Perhaps they just buy into the BS and rumours that are spread all over the net,explaining why we read the same unqualified and incorrect assertions all the time.

So with this recent flood of Vista haters and XP fanboys, the typical 'new vs old' OS rant we've all been seeing since Win98 replaced Win95, it is exactly the same, but why? What is the need for one to trump another, why is there even a contest between the two?


Why should I go and buy new hardware just so I can run Vista?

I have NEVER heard a Vista advocate say that, unless someone really wants to use Vista and has older hardware?

With Vista, you DO need the hardware to support it, with XP it was the same, with Win2K with Win98 etc it has always been the same. But with Vista offering multicore processor management, a new PC witha multicore processor is best used with Vista than XP (though some people are so admantly opposed to Vista they downgrade a enw PC to an older OS that doesn't manage the core processor as effective, okay, not at all then.

Just like when it was a battle of the grahics cards, you want to play that game? Upgrade your P2 to a P3 and add RAM, GPU etc. That doesn't mean that the game "sucked" though. In fact usually the opposite.

If you have older equipment and don't want to reinvest in a new PC, or don't have a need to DON'T. Simple, easy, quick, next forum.
Why must pople in such cases, spend all day posting about how Vista forces them to buy new hardware and how its just a big scam? I have yet to see the Vista Gestapo in my town.

Vista is too slow

Okay well I put that complaint rather politely, compared to the real speed complaints; but as we've seen here ourselves, and thanks to our peer tk, there really is no actual perofmance difference between the two OS's, especially a noticable one.
If anything Vista is actually faster, on newer equipment, where multicore processors take advantage of the improved Vista management system to increase process management.

So that myth, is just....myth. I am confident that some user with an older system, who has tweaked Xp over the ast 5 years, will find Vista slower after a frsh install. But again, that goes for just about any OS and should be expected.
XP is faster for you? Then stay with it and S__U.

"Vista is just a bunch of bloatware and eye candy"

Yup, said it myself when XP was released. I was happy win Win2KPro, it was sleek, streamlined, small and fast. But Windows XP also comes with the ability to run it in classic mode and spare yourself from the Fisher Price looking layout that has become so favoured today. Most XP users are aware of this feature and that it can be enabled or disabled, however those same poeple are the first to complain about Aeroglass used in the Vista GUI.
Don't like eye candy? Turn it off like you do in XP.

Vista doesn't work with legacy applciations at our office.
Okay, that is a fair and very valid issue to discuss when it comes to upgrading an entire network. However, your legacy applications are NOT the responsibliity of Microsoft. Their OS doesn't "suck" because your office has proprietary, legacy software that will not run properly on Vista. Again, it is a new CHOICE of OS, you are not being forced to use it.

"Same as ME its a flop!"

well obviously, Vista is NOT the same as ME, is far more stable than XP ever was out of the box and is very secure.

That comment just doesn't hold water in any way, its pure BS. Again though, people feel a need to say so as if their pride is hurst by a new OS being released that they either don't want to learn, can't afford to upgrade to or just don't feel a need fot it, which are all fine and valid reasons for staying put, without teh need to BS about it in order to validate your decision.

The problem is, anytime someone even mentions using Vista, some idiot XP junkie has to jump in and tell some BS story about a friend's cousin's aunt who knew a guy who shook the hand of a guy who's dog ate in the alley behind a guy's house who said Vista sucked, and therefore Vista sux.

Or the old, "I tried Vista and after 10 minutes put XP back in." or " I am telling all of my clients that buy new PC's to downgrade to Vista" (providing them a great disservice in the process).

But these same people put up with XP's short comings for the last 5 years because you had no other choice but to tweak it and learn it and wait patiently for the updates to make it a useable OS.

The bottom line is, no matter what operating system you use, there will always be a company looking to write a new one and introduce new features into the computing world, that's what movers and shakers do, they inject the world with a desire to progress and improve.

Not always are these improvements worthy, but for the most part we benefit in some part each time something new is created.

So if you like your PC, and you like the performance, enjoy it as is but there's no need to constantly fight tooth and nail in order to justify your decision or detract from someone else's choice.

They build new car models every year, but they are not scamming people who bought one two years ago. They are not forcing people to buy new cars, they are not forcing people to upgrade their cars, they are just doing what ANY forward thinging company does, improve on existing products. Some pople prefer last year's model and that's just fine, but many will see value in the bewer model too.

I am in the process of making my new YouTube video now, "WHY CAN'T EVERYONE JUST LEAVE VISTA ALONE!!!???"

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This is new?

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to The big OS whine

Oh I was thinking of the 98 to XP hooraw, must catch up.....

Other than that, in the main I agree. If Vista is good enough for what you want, it doesn't suck. If it doesn't do what you want then it does, if you are/were 'forced' into using it.
Whether that's because some twonk of a boss, said you had to, it was the only one the retailer had, or you wanted this application.
In fact in most cases the whinging about any OS, Vista, VMs or Unbuntu, is directly related to how much you wanted to switch to it.

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What I love about the XP vs Vista debate

by jdclyde In reply to The big OS whine

Instead of it being MAC or Linux vs Microsoft, it is now Microsoft old vs Microsoft new.

Just one more fraction in the user base that is against the latest that MicroSoft has to offer.

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I was thinking the same thing.

by ---TK--- In reply to What I love about the XP ...

But every now and then someone will throw in a linux or mac comment. It doesn't seem to last too long though... :)

Can't wait till Win 7 comes out! (couldn't resist)...

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This is just for you TK

by cupcake In reply to I was thinking the same t ...

I know the feeling about being "forced" to use a new OS... that's how I felt when buying a new Mac several years ago and "had" to use OSX. The paradigm in use was (originally) awful and took a long time to get used to.

I am sure that is how it will be with Vista and Win7 users... or at least some of them!

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Was for me

by Oz_Media In reply to This is just for you TK

My IBM Thinkpad (Win2K Pro) died and as I had skipped XP on my own machines, I ended up getting a notebook in a ruch and it came with Vista.

I don't really feel forced though, I could wipe it and install anything I want, but it ran fine so I left it.

That's just the way it is I guess, new hardware means new software, that's just how they come. You can't buy a new car with a DAT player in it anymore either (don't think you ever could, but what a format to skip over).

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install anything....

by jdclyde In reply to Was for me

there are many laptops out there were they didn't write drivers for anything but Vista.

Did you make sure the hardware was backwards compatible?

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Honestly I think

by w2ktechman In reply to The big OS whine

that you are obsessed with this topic! I havent seen that much of it go on here in quite some time now. Not even much on the Win 7 s**ks front. Instead, I think that a lot of the misconceptions have been turned around here, and more facts have come out.

Yes, there are still plenty of Vista/XP/other OS fanboys out there, however on TR we usually are playing decently well together these days.

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Agree except for 1 thing

by JackOfAllTech In reply to The big OS whine

True, no one is forcing you to buy Vista, however, since most people don't know how to fix their own PCs, MS cancelling support of XP IS forcing them to 'upgrade'.

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by w2ktechman In reply to Agree except for 1 thing

MS has extended support for XP for some time. Vista is being 'forced' by retailers due to MS's policy not selling XP.
I understand why they are doing it, now at least, however when Vista was first released, there was no option. MS was trying to cram Vista down everyones throat, and I am glad it bit them hard.

I remember going to a couple of unnamed electronics stores after the release of Vista, and the salespeople were all over me trying to get me to buy it. Even after I told them that Vista was crap and I was looking for XP.
Nowadays, the only XP systems are used, refurb, or some business class models. Well, unless you build yourself and know where to shop.

So, essentially, Vista IS being forced unless you build yourself, and many just dont know enough to do it.

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Actually, I think you're agreeing with me...

by JackOfAllTech In reply to disagree

and disagreeing with the OP.

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