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the joke that is IT....

By davioh2001 ·
Hello, I graduated a year ago with a 4 year it degree. I also go to graduate school for computer science and have 1 year of job experience. I have since found a job at a non IT company doing non IT stuff. It is low skill yet it still pays $16 an hour and is not hard. even basic high school grads can do the job. Anyways, I am looking at jobs out there and am seeing examples such as... Network admin for a community college 4 year degree and 5+ years experience as an admin...experience in about a dozen different technologies relating to Linux...erp...24X7 support etc. All for around $20 an hour. Anyways, Im much too busy working 60 hours a week and going to college to post much anymore. Im just wondering what people thinkg about these types of job postings? I thought the opportunity kinda seems like a joke. They want a lot for a little which is what a lot of employers want and then they only get 33 page views on their job page. questions:
#1. is this job posting indicative of whats out there for someone with 4 year degree plus 5 years of experience?
#2. do you think the wages are as much of a joke as I do?
thats about it...pm me if you can!

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Yes I agree

by Jim_P In reply to the joke that is IT....

I see this myself, some companies expect to hire a person who has vast amount of experience and qualifications behind them, but only pay them base wages, they wonder why they can't keep I.T. Staff, but it's obvious that they can't afford to pay much higher probably due to their budget. You really have to try I suppose to find a job at a large company is well financially setup, but the main part you have to look at is, is it the money you really want the job for. Like you may find a job on $30 an hour but it may be boring or over stressful, unlike a $20 an hour job, might be easy going, people where you work are easy to get along with.
But there always be someone that will apply for that above job, someone is quite happy on that money considering with their experience. Probably good for someone who wants to wind down a bit and just look after one site instead of multiple sites he/she has been doing for the last 5 years.

Regards,
Jim

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It depends...

by GSG In reply to Yes I agree

On where you live. If you live on the coast or major metropolitan area, then it's way too little. If you live in the midwest like I do, it's not so outrageous. For example, a house that costs $100,000 here, will cost $500,000 - $1mil in california. However, for the description given, it's still not enough.

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Others may bring in the buck's but we keep then earning

by ronald_f_hutcheon In reply to Yes I agree

I totally agree. I work in Australia but for an American company and its the same here.
We have service people that are out fixing machines daily and these guys are on $50 - $60 an hour for getting their hands dirty. They have one resonsability to their own job, I have the resonsability of keeping 75 people, 6 servers and currently 3 sites on the east coast running without so much as a minutes downtime. And after all that I have to put up with their cinstant nagging about why they cant have what ever software on their computers as they want and why they cant use flash bars for what ever reason they want.
All for $20 hour???? Just not worth it is it...
Still though, if your as passionate about working with computers as I am (most of the time) then you'll keep doing I guess.
Best thing to do?? Go into your server room, shut them all down, and go home.. You'll soon see how much they need you!

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Re: Yes I Agree

by CptMatt In reply to Yes I agree

I'd be happy to find a $20 desktop support position. My previous company let me go 3 years ago and no one will let me back in to the IT sector, they all require college degrees. I acquired all of my knowledge by "doing", usually on my own.
I was a desktop support guy for 7 years. When I started, you need to mess with interrupts, memory addresses, cylinders, heads, port setting, etc. You had to tell the PC how to do everything but all you needed was to show that you knew what you were talking about and how to do it to get a job. No formal education required, just knowledge.
Now, everything in WinXP and OSX is automatic. You plug a card in and it works. A hard drive and it automatically formats. Plug in to a network and it finds all the local printers, automatically. But now, when the job is so easy, everyone is requiring a 4 year degree. They don't care that you have a proven track record of evolving with the technology in both hardware and software. They don't care that you are enthusiastic because of the technology. No, they just want a piece of paper that proves that you've sat through 4 years of theory taught by professors that need help find the "on" switch (I had a temp job at a tech college for awhile).
Its this blind demand of education with no regard to knowledge or ability that's making IT a joke.

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IT churn directly related to budget

by Too Old For IT In reply to Yes I agree

And if the company cannot loosen up the budget to a level closer to dot-com pay rather than Wal*Mart pay, maybe it's time to shut the doors and call the bankruptcy attorney.

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Many people have no idea of what IT is worth and

by Deadly Ernest In reply to the joke that is IT....

advertise what they think - few IT pros or headhunters would have anything to do with making such adds. I remember in mid 2001, people were advertising for IT staff with 2+ years experience with Win 2K advanced server - all they had done was change the OS name from NT - shows how much they understood what they were looking for.

Most real IT jobs will be able double what you would get as a casual at the local MacDonalds, or higher - depending upon the skills mix wanted. Here in Aust I can get $15 per hour for unskilled casual work, for skilled IT most places I've dealt with offer (for permanents) $20 per hour for newbies to answer phones, and $30 per hour (or more) for experienced IT people. You should do better than that in the USA.

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That is about what it runs

by j.lupo In reply to Many people have no idea ...

The basic range is 18-50 an hour depending on skills, experience, etc.

The other problem is that job ads are placed by HR or headhunters. These types of people generally know nothing about IT and non-IT companies have very strict budgets with regards to the "cost center that IT is".

I have found that if I get past all the HR and recruiters, I generally can work with the manager based on their budget, the real needs, etc. Job hunters have to know what they are worth in order to market themselves. They also need to know what the market can support in their area. Knowing those two things provides a strong foundation when negotiating salary is brought up by the Employer to be.

As an Employee, never bring up salary first. You will lose in the negotiations.

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This was exactly

by emar1000 In reply to That is about what it run ...

what happend to me when I first started. HR set the salary but I needed the job as well. Since then of course I found a better company that offered a good salary (was no need for negotiations) and I am very happy with them and like wise... well i think so . I do them a good job. I feel your pain but it just takes some job hunting on your own as well.

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Do your research

by Beilstwh In reply to That is about what it run ...

That is exactly what I did when I applied for my current job. I looked at most of the government and business studys to see what salary was being paid for the position that I was applying for. When my manager asked what I was looking for, I gave him an accurate range of 10000+- that people with my skill set were being paid in the geographical area. I was offered the high end of the 10000 range and I accepted.

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Most HR-Written ads are hideous

by Too Old For IT In reply to Many people have no idea ...

and the ones by hospitals are the worst.

Display ads that go on and on about their family of docs and nurses, acreditations, blah blah blah.

Then they get to the IT position, generally mis-identified, who will report to the director of nursing, the janitor or some such.

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