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    The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

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    by deepsand ·

    In a discussion re. the new TR Discussions/Questions/etal. Alert format, maxwell attacked apotheon for even starting a Discussion re. this subject, in a manner most foul, at http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=228323&messageID=2270585 .

    Many here have already experienced max’s crude & vicious attacks; even more have witnessed them.

    His behavior here has become egregious, and he shows no sign of being either willing or able to comport himself in an acceptable manner.

    His continued presence here now serves only to diminish the stature of TR. It is clearly his time to go.

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    • #2603738

      Well Max’s comment was a bit over the top but aren’t you over reacting??

      by sleepin’dawg ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      There have been many instances Max could have or should have been called to account but I don’t see this as being one of them. Reading Apotheon’s complaint; it comes off as being rather whiny.

      Remember this, [i]”It takes a man to play the game and a punk to criticize.”[/i] When one offers criticizm it should endeavour to be of the constructive variety rather than a mere whining complaint of the[i]”somebody stole my candy”[/i] variety, which is how I read Apotheon’s little diatribe.

      There are a lot of things that I do not like about what has happened to the format and content of [i]”the new TR”[/i]; many of which I find inconvenient and a royal pain in the butt, if not down right assinine but unless I feel I can offer alternatives of a feasible and constructive nature, something I feel I do not have the necessary time to get involved in, I keep my mouth shut. It’s a matter of putup or shut up. Banning Max from TR wont accomplish anything except a further diminishment of the forums. Half the fun is watching the two of you snapping asses at each other. Lose that sort of thing and TR will lose a lot more of the old regulars. If you don’t like it, go see the chaplain for a TS chit.

      BTW I made several suggestions of what could or should be done in the TR forums but to date I am unaware of any being implemented. Like a lot of the old regulars, my TR time has diminished. I no longer find it to be as useful or as much fun as it used to be. However, I don’t think the PTB really give a schit about that since they seem to have managed to attract many new members and the loss of a few of the older members doesn’t seem to bother them overly much.

      [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

    • #2603732

      I disagree

      by neilb@uk ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      His response to Apotheon was a bit OTT but absolutely characteristic of Max. The tone of Apotheon’s thread could be read in different ways and I guess that Max read it differently to others.

      I’d prefer it if neither of them left the site permanently as I reckon they both have a lot to say that’s worth reading.

      I quite enjoy being insulted by Max although it hasn’t happened for a while. I seem to have survived unscathed (except for this arthritis in my left hand caused by me punching the screen).

      If you don’t like something – ignore it or fight back. None of this is worth crying over. This is also not a democracy so I reckon that any decision by Max to leave the site and take his 1132 thumbs with him will, I sincerely hope, be his decision alone.

      😀

      Personally, I hope both of them stick around.

      • #2600347

        Neil, I completely agree

        by f4a6pilot ·

        In reply to I disagree

        Max and Apotheon are both class acts, and neither agrees with me 100 %.

        Nor do you and I haven’t called for the abolishment of OZ, although a suggested IQ test would have eliminated him and OneAmazing… long before I had gotten tired with them…

    • #2603720

      Although I disagree

      by steffi28 ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      with you reacting to Maxwell’s posts by telling him to leave TR I do agree that he is being a bit over the top lately. Like the post you posted and
      http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=228408&messageID=2270586
      and
      http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=227971&messageID=2269811
      he’s getting into troll realms at the moment.

      • #2600325

        Deepsand is an idiot about some things, as we all are.

        by f4a6pilot ·

        In reply to Although I disagree

        It’s the burden of deepsand to provide such definitions. . . . .

        Definition of “equal: Deepsand EQUALS an idiot.
        Posted: 07/01/2007 @ 06:07 PM (PDT) by Max… (this is an excerpt. )

        I often find Sandy defining terms and assuming nobody has as fine an education as he has. I may disagree with him, and I recognize that he has an education, but like almost all trade school grads is a egocentric (and I mean this in the nicest way possible) prick. He wants to win, and would try to redefine the bible with God (whom he doesn’t believe in) to win a minor point.

        Sandy wants the validation… I think he should run for the Senate…

    • #2603705

      This quote rings true with me.

      by ontheropes ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      “If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.” -Noam Chomsky

      • #2603695

        I don’t believe in freedom of expression

        by highlander718 ·

        In reply to This quote rings true with me.

        Or more precisely I believe in freedom of DECENT expression. I know it might get tough if we start debating what is “decent” (for me quoting Chomsky is totaly undecent for example :-))))), but if freedom of expression means freedom to express oneself by lying, by being vulgar, verbaly brutal, or express oneself by simply slapping others …. thanks, but I don’t need freedom like that.

        • #2602007

          Re-read the above quote and disregard who said it

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to I don’t believe in freedom of expression

          and you may see my true feelings shine through.

          I still agree with the thought behind it. Here’s another quote below. I’ll keep quoting quotes until I find someone you approve of if necessary.

          “Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too.” -Voltaire

          I read others as ALL others and no I don’t believe that this quote bars the harshest criticism from someone else. In fact, I think it requires that people express themselves and if vulgarity and verbal brutality are the only way someone can do that, so be it.

          It’s not physical harm even though I do know that words can kill people as surely as putting a gun to their head. Trust me, I know that’s true.

        • #2601997

          expression

          by highlander718 ·

          In reply to Re-read the above quote and disregard who said it

          The only problem in your exposee is that “expression” means action in some cases. It is definitely not only about words.
          And no, I do not agree with : ” if vulgarity and verbal brutality are the only way someone can do that, so be it.” You mean you don’t mind if someone curses you in your face just because it’s the only way he/she can do it ?

        • #2601977

          Did I say that I like it?

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to expression

          No I didn’t.

          I like peace and hate hollering and yelling.I despise liars and backstabbers.

          I’ve always told people that I give them the freedom to say anything they want to me and do it one inch from the end of my nose if they feel that they have to just NEVER touch me in anger not even with their spittle. That’s just me. Everyone else is not me.

          In my real-life some of the crap we’ve had to deal with over the years would piss off the Pope.

          I’ve also been in positions of authority and have had superiors, MY people and ordinary citizens get cranked right up and use me as their sounding board.

          Think whatever you will but in real-life I’ll run as far and as fast as I need to be secure when it comes to physical violence. Note that I usually stand my ground and words alone will not ordinarily make me move. I allow people to get angry as I have no control over them. Just never touch me in anger. Not a good idea.

          Now, if you please, let’s focus more closely on the topic. My use of quotations is whatever you want to make out of it. You decide, for you.

        • #2601965

          Welcome to the Pariah’s club.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Did I say that I like it?

          I made a similar point about another poster, but when the wolf-pack smells blood there is no reasoning with them.

        • #2601955

          The Pariah’s club can’t be all that bad if you’re in it.

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to Welcome to the Pariah’s club.

          I’ve been a card carrying member of the local Chapter for years.

        • #2601944

          Richard

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Welcome to the Pariah’s club.

          You simply don’t know all of what you are talking about.

          The poster you defended posted a lot of racist crap. Not simply anti H1B, it was out and out racist. Then he created a new identity pretending to be Indian and posted more racist crap.

          You didn’t see it due to the diligence of Beth in editing out the posts.

          Why were we all so single minded? Because this idiot was on a binge for 6 months.

          If you had read his vitriol you would not have been so quick to defend him.

          James

        • #2601906

          James

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Welcome to the Pariah’s club.

          Not once did I defend WMW, and you’ve just served to prove my point.

          Once the wolf-pack smells blood, there is no longer any reasoned discourse.

          I do not disagree with the actions of Beth or any other member of the TR staff in restraining WMW’s actions.

          What I did, and DO object to is the schoolyard mentality that surfaces every time someone posts something objectionable.

          obviously the wolf-pack has equated the two.

          What ever happened to ignoring people who say things that you don’t like?

        • #2601866

          Richard

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Welcome to the Pariah’s club.

          Wolf pack, what a load of twaddle….there is much diversity of thought here, and other than the group which tend to divert the conversation to sexual innuendo, there is not a wolf pack.

          There are plenty of occasions when I and others let something go.

          I’ve for the most part ignored Max and Deepsand going at it. Occasionally I will weigh in when someone says something totally off the wall, and usually that earns me a scorching reply. I understand that its in the heat of an emotional battle that I’m not really invested in, and I usually just move on.

          I don’t jump to Max’s defense every time someone insults him. He is a big boy and can defend himself. He also pretty much knows where I stand. I don’t always agree with him, but I agree with him on many things. He doesn’t jump to my defense every time either. We let things go.

          The occasions where you perceive a wolf pack might just be something different. When a group of people ignore something that has been bothering them for a while, sometimes you get a build up of frustration, which sometimes finds a home in a thread. I don’t ignore racism.

          The fact that we are replying to your posts does not mean you are a pariah, just the opposite.

          I think people are piling on Deepsand, because he suggested a member should leave. I think people piled on WMW because he suggested that TR didn’t have the right to censor him. Both are more than personal issues, though I think its inevitable that they are often fought at personal levels. I’m clearly not interested in what Deepsand thinks of Max. I am interested in whether one member should bully another into leaving and why, but from a higher level, not because of the personalities.

          James

        • #2601855

          James: Wolf pack behavior….

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Welcome to the Pariah’s club.

          …is when a groupthink takes over.

          The perception from about a half-dozen folks in here was that I was defending WMW.

          Nobody can produce a single post where I did, yet the perception exists. When folks start seeing things that aren’t there, that is a wolf-pack mentality.

          I bowed out of the global warming discussion because I saw the pack forming.

          I mentioned that Mars, Jupiter and Neptune were also mentioning, and I was accused of just about everything shy of being a charter member of Opec, being behind the meltdown at Chernoble and having fired the first shots at fort Sumner.

          In the “complacency” thread, I posted that I am of German descent and that the actions of SOME germans (nazis) brought suffering on ALL germans and that I wouldn’t want it to come to that with all muslims.

          The wolf pack was looking for folks to bash, so I became the token “Islamophobe”.

          When certain buttons get pushed, all rational discussion stops.

          I don’t feel persecuted, and I don’t mean to give that impression. I avoid people who annoy me.

          I just mean to say that a mob or a wolf-pack starts from time to time. This is not unique to TR nor am I singling anyone out.

          When people, ANY people get into the pack mentality, battle lines are drawn and everything becomes “US vs THEM”.

          I’m sure that I was percieved as defending WMW simply because I expressed that I did not like the behavior exhibited by those attacking him.

        • #2602450

          Groupthink? Bah!

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to Welcome to the Pariah’s club.

          That’s just something used as an excuse by someone wanting to avoid personal responsibility for doing something they [b]wanted[/b] and [b]chose[/b] to do.

        • #2601957

          focus on the topic

          by highlander718 ·

          In reply to Did I say that I like it?

          Oh, weren’t we doing just that ?
          I thought we were discussing the right of a certain member to be or not be part of this forum, based on certain assertions he made.

          In this particular case, my 2cents are that a tone like the one used by Maxell should be avoided in a serious (OK, let’s say decent) and somehow technologicaly focused forum such as TechRepublic. There are thousands of forums and boards out there where you can curse and “yell” as much as you want.
          That being said, it is far from me to think that Maxell should go, he is a long time contributor, everyone has bad days, everyone can get a little overreaction to certain subjects or provocations … he had many more valuable contributions here (even if one agrees or not with his point of view)

        • #2601952

          We’ve mostly been focused on the topic.

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to focus on the topic

          I guess I’m just not used to people talking to me here anymore. There are few that do it and are reasonable. I prefer that some TR members don’t “talk” to me. So far so good. :^0

          As far as Max staying or going I’ll say that the choice should be his as he hasn’t intentionally performed any heinous crimes or even any petty crimes. His worth as a person is whatever he feels it is and not what anyone says it is. He’s made his bed, let him sleep in it.

        • #2602456

          There is no freedom that guarantees…

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to expression

          [i]You mean you don’t mind if someone curses you in your face just because it’s the only way he/she can do it ?[/i]

          … we won’t, on occasion, run across something we don’t like. (If there were, what would happen on those days when you might not particularly like yourself?)

          There’s another quote that’s relevant

          “Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it”. – Charles Swindoll

        • #2602004

          The old expression, [i]”If you can’t stand the heat; stay the hell……..

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to I don’t believe in freedom of expression

          [b][i]out of the kitchen.”[/i][/b]

          This isn’t your average debating society living by Robertson’s Rules of Order. If you can’t take it don’t join in. Who needs snot nosed whining titty babies??? If you don’t like it [b]STFU[/b].

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #2601993

          Was that for me ?

          by highlander718 ·

          In reply to The old expression, [i]”If you can’t stand the heat; stay the hell……..

          the only problem is … it is my kitchen (too).
          I don’t want to get out of it. I want to turn down the heat.

          Anyway ..what got into you, bad day at work ?

        • #2601953

          Who else???

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Was that for me ?

          [b][i]You may not like the use of language and/or expletives used and that is [u]your[/u] choice to moan, puke and complain about, if you so choose.[/b][/i]

          This isn’t a debating society. It is a forum and by definition forums are open; open for people to air their beliefs and differences as they so choose. The fact that in the process one may become offended is just one of the risks one must face if they wish to participate. The only response to that is to either ignore it or to respond in kind. Otherwise I would suggest retiring to your ivory tower and pulling up the drawbridges. Oh yes, make sure you don’t look out the windows either; God forbid that you might become offended.

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #2601937

          agreed

          by highlander718 ·

          In reply to Who else???

          Got it, still I feel free to get offended whenever I want 🙂 and to express that exact thing without somebody criticizing me for it. What, one cannot even get offended anymore ? “Shut up or respond by offending somebody else on your turn” ? Doesn’t sound right to me …

        • #2601891

          Aw, c’mon!!! Give me a break!!! Sooner or later…………

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to agreed

          something you will disagree with or offends your [i]amour propre[/i] or, to express it in terms of the vernacular, will piss you off and you will want to tear someone a new one. That’s the beauty of TR, you can do it in safety and anonymity, without fear of blood loss.

          However, that being said, some people should remember that I know where they live, before they are so rash as leave me off a list. They should also remember their wife is potentially an ally of mine and if they don’t wish to spend six months sleeping on the sofa or get off that sofa now, they had better be nice to me. Hi Mambo; have a nice day and remember your only an hour away from Montreal. :^0

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #2600904

          “without someone criticizing me for it”

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to agreed

          You have no such right or reasonable expectation.

          You CAN express yourself, but if you do so publicly you can expect to here about it from others around you, both the good and the bad.

          Remember, they have free expression too.

          There are some expressions that should be criticized at every turn.

      • #2601809

        Deepsand, although

        by w2ktechman ·

        In reply to This quote rings true with me.

        I do not pay much mind to most of Max’s posts recently, I would say that this was light to compared to some a few weeks ago.
        I would not say that he needs to leave TR. He appears to be a valued member by many. I just happen to disagree with him most of the time, but not always.
        But yes, often he does articulate well, but if people do not agree he goes on the offensive more and more. This is troll-like behaviour. But every discussion site has its trolls, and almost trolls. A difference of opinion between everyone adds something to most discussions. If one does not like anothers posts, they have the ability to not look at them!

        In this example Apotheons post was a whine, a pet-peeve about how something was done and/or mis-handled. Max posted his own opinion about that. I see nothing wrong with this. Below his attack, it even appears that several others responded to him as well. Again, I see nothing wrong with this.
        But trying to force him off of TR would be a mistake in my opinion. If he decides to leave for whatever reason, it is his choice. Until then he is just making his opinions known, just like you or me. And I am sure that there are people that would wish that both of us would shut the F*** up sometimes as well.

        In other words, I think that you are over-reacting on this one. But again, that is just my opinion in this matter.

      • #2600323

        As (shudder) Michael Douglas intoned…

        by f4a6pilot ·

        In reply to This quote rings true with me.

        I despised the movie American President.

        I defend the right of free speech for Sandy and for Max and even OZZIE… (That is repugnant to say…)

    • #2603698

      Oh, just a minute now.

      by dmambo ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      If every a$$hole, punk, troll, id10t, flamer and d!ckhead left TR, there would only be me and TiggerTwo remaining. And I would only be left if the requirements were set VERY low.

      I think it’s a little harsh to call a 15-20 word reply crude, vicious and egregious. I fall back to the old refrain that if someone’s posts have a tendency to upset you, ignore them.

      Hey, it’s almost the 4th of July, let freedom ring! (For those of you elsewhere, it’s kind of a holiday over here! Just 3 days after Canada Day!!!!!)

      • #2603697

        HEY!!

        by steffi28 ·

        In reply to Oh, just a minute now.

        I wanna know which one I am

        a$$hole, punk, troll, id10t, flamer or d!ckhead :_|

        Or are you just picking on me cos im blonde?

        • #2603689

          …and Steffi

          by dmambo ·

          In reply to HEY!!

          me, TT and Steffi will be left! And GG. Oh, and JD.

          And Palmetto. And Neil. And Col. And Mae, I’m afriad of her. And James, he’s nice. And Rob M. And of course Smorty, Beth and Jay, after all, they run the place. And Chunghui@, I don’t know who he/she is, but he/she counts me as a contact. And most of the regulars not mentioned here. And we can’t forget the newbies, especially the spammer newbies, where would we be without them.

          But at least Why Me Worry would be gone!! 😀

        • #2602003

          Thats OK then :D

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to …and Steffi

          As long as I’m included on the list I don’t mind :p I’ll stop crying now then 🙂

        • #2601992

          Or not

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to …and Steffi

          Somehow I don’t think he will ever leave. I think he likes this place.

          I don’t condone telling Max to leave. Yes, I think that he crosses the line. So do we all- we’re none of us perfect.

          I think that we kinda need to remember that this is a forum. Different people coming together in conversation that, without this avenue, would not ever have the opportunity to interact.

          You are all important to me because I have few expectations of you. I can value each of you on my own terms and not worry about much else.

          Oddly, I will bet that Apotheon is not as bothered by the exchange as Sandy.

          Hmmm. Where’s Rob lately???

        • #2601985

          the term “take offense”

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Or not

          is an accurate one.

          Offense can not be given, it has to be taken.

          I have a whole host of disabilities, so many that people often think I am exagerrating when I mention them all.

          I grew up with many people trying to hurt me through attacking these disabilities, including screaming in my deaf ear to ‘test it’. Then laughing and saying “Did you hear that?” My eardrums are fine, I can feel pain thankyouverymuch.

          The point I am trying to make in my roundabout fashion is that nobody has the power to offend any of us, especially online.

          In order to be offended by something someone posts here you must:

          1)Find their post
          2)open it
          3)Read it.
          4)Take it into yourself
          5)Actively feel injury
          6)Allow it to affect you.

          I still have a few sensetive points, due to my paranoia which I am trying to work through, but if a paranoid such as myself can keep from being offended much of the time, I don’t see why so many others (and I am not targetting you, this is something of a stream of consciousness) take what is posted so seriously.

        • #2601846

          Don’t assume Sandy was offended.

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Or not

          He is more than adequately capable of being an Olympic calibre schit disturber, all by himself, when he wants to be. As for Apotheon, you’re probably right. Notice he didn’t really reply. You have to remember they both live in CO and the rarefied air up there affects the grey matter more than it does normal people living at regular altitudes.

          Where else would they name a stadium Mile High Stadium? I thought it was a memorial to what I used to do with stewardesses back in the old days before they turned them into flight attendants.

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #2601967

          Forget Steffi!!! In the greater scheme of things; blonds don’t count.

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to …and Steffi

          Maybe that’s because they can’t. They’ve got to remove their shoes to be able to count past ten.

          [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #2601964

          Please, never use the term “Dumb Blonde”

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Forget Steffi!!! In the greater scheme of things; blonds don’t count.

          I hate redundancy.

        • #2601950

          Good one!!!! :^0

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Please, never use the term “Dumb Blonde”

          .

        • #2600305

          I often wish my Blonde were dumb… She never shuts up…

          by f4a6pilot ·

          In reply to Please, never use the term “Dumb Blonde”

          Did I just write that;-)

        • #2600369

          Hey :_|

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to Forget Steffi!!! In the greater scheme of things; blonds don’t count.

          I do count 🙁

        • #2598727

          Mambo..you’re such a p*ssy.

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to …and Steffi

          I’m NOT scary. I’m nice.

        • #2600413

          And who would disbelieve Mae

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Mambo..you’re such a p*ssy.

          When she has her favorite [b]Blood Drenched Shovel[/b] over her shoulder dripping blood and demanding that she’s nice. :^0

          Yes I know

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          Sorry Mae it’s not working I still think that you as scary. 😀

          Col ]:)

        • #2600310

          Blonde Moments are my wifes stupid moments…

          by f4a6pilot ·

          In reply to HEY!!

          She used to be a blonde when younger… But, she is gray now… The old gray mare just ain’t what she used to be….

        • #2601016

          So if you don?t come back :(

          by nentech ·

          In reply to Blonde Moments are my wifes stupid moments…

          Can we assume she?s read your posts and taken away your computer access? :_|

          Or should the police be notified? 😉

        • #2588578

          Cops Please..MMFH!!!!

          by f4a6pilot ·

          In reply to So if you don?t come back :(

          She’s coming and ACK…Argh….

          Ahhh!!!!

      • #2601987

        I’m trying to pick one….

        by locrian_lyric ·

        In reply to Oh, just a minute now.

        Can I add “obnoxious jerk” to the list and make it my own 😀

      • #2601806

        Ok, I must be

        by w2ktechman ·

        In reply to Oh, just a minute now.

        a$$hole, punk, and d!ckhead!!! There, yes I would probably be banned, especially if someone actually electrocutes themself after reading my post (from a crack question)…

    • #2603690

      The time has come for deepsand to leave TR

      by now left tr ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      Ditto!

      • #2601798

        Funny, I seem to remember lots of flames

        by w2ktechman ·

        In reply to The time has come for deepsand to leave TR

        coming from you too!!!

        And many are/were worse than this one from Max.

        Do you really think that TR should ban people for an insult?

        Spam, ok, very foul language, ok, an opinion whether popular or not, no way!

    • #2601991

      I find it ironic that you are calling for civility

      by locrian_lyric ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      Since you have demonstrated a distinct lack of same.

    • #2601954

      It’s tradition. Check out popular security websites

      by sgt_shultz ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      i think you are attempting to be pretty controlling there, deepsand. take ‘er easy, chill. Folks get all their money back if they don’t like the answers they receive. It’s a big wide internet and they can find another spot to spit.
      I am personally not crazy about the way the TR ‘discussions’ devolve into sex talk. I rarely read ’em anymore due to the time wasted. Me, I am not bothered a bit by Maxwells comments.

    • #2601949

      [b] Waaaaaah! He called me names, mummy! Waaaaaah [/b]

      by gadgetgirl ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      I have a fair idea of the ages of all those involved and have something to say:

      [b] [i] [u] STOP ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF KIDS, ACT YOUR AGE AND GROW UP. [/b] [/i] [/u]

      This is NOT a playground, it’s a discussion board for [b] ADULTS [/b]

      Grief, we’re [i] supposed [/i] to be professionals here. With spats like this going on? Name calling? Attacking people?

      How on earth could anyone coming on here think we were professionals with [u] this [/u] going on?

      How does anyone expect anyone to be “forced” into leaving? Same as we could “force” the regulars into staying, perhaps?

      Well, this regular has had more than enough of these irritating, immature, insensate, innefectual threads.

      If you need to determine the actual meaning of professional, google it for yourselves.

      Rant over. I’m outta here

      GG

      • #2601942

        What she said!!!

        by tig2 ·

        In reply to [b] Waaaaaah! He called me names, mummy! Waaaaaah [/b]

        Don’t make me reach for the clue bat to reinforce GG’s very good points!

        I can be deadly with a clue bat, you know!
        🙂

        • #2601936

          i don’t blame you but i hope you don’t leave GG

          by sgt_shultz ·

          In reply to What she said!!!

          sorry but definition of profession in my book means ‘paid’. i don’t even get any points anymore just these silly thumbs. which i only seem to get for being chummy, not for having the correct answer. such is life, yes?
          perhaps you will reincarnate, GG?

        • #2600419

          Actually even when they had Tech Points

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to i don’t blame you but i hope you don’t leave GG

          Many people still failed to rate the answers given so the questions remained open for ever once the solution had been found.

          In an effort to stop this from occurring TR replaced the Tech Points with Thumbs and only allowed the people asking questions so many before they couldn’t ask any more and had to close off existing questions. All that seems to have happened is that now instead of hanging around the new people just want to be spoon feed an answer without providing anywhere near enough information and then never return or at least stop asking questions.

          I even had to post a reply to one who wanted to know why they couldn’t ask any more questions and instead of closing off and ratting the answers already given they simply stopped asking questions. While you can lead a horse to water it’s impossible to make it drink.

          I don’t know about the newest bunch of people asking questions as they seem to claim to be professionals but want to know the most basic things or worse still us to do their job for them by providing step by step instructions on how to do something that should be basic knowledge for their stated positions.

          Col

        • #2601933

          You know considering

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to What she said!!!

          That the two of you are here I’m suprised we havent heard the WATB comment!!

      • #2601884

        Glad you found a good use for my soapbox!

        by dadspad ·

        In reply to [b] Waaaaaah! He called me names, mummy! Waaaaaah [/b]

        😀

      • #2601876

        Just when I get to dreaming of playing with you and your naughty bits……

        by sleepin’dawg ·

        In reply to [b] Waaaaaah! He called me names, mummy! Waaaaaah [/b]

        you have to go and get insulting.

        [i][b]How on earth could anyone coming on here think we were professionals with this going on?[/i][/b]

        Since when did [i][b]we[/b][/i] become[b] professionals[/b]??????? Here I was thinking all you [b][i]Ladies[/b][/i] were just a bunch of enthusiastic amateurs.

        [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

        • #2601867

          Nice diffuse. Thanks, sweetie :x

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to Just when I get to dreaming of playing with you and your naughty bits……

          Just seems ironic that I come to TR to get away from users acting like kiddies, to find certain TR members acting just the bloody same.

          Thanks, Dawg. Feel better now.

          (Hasn’t helped that I’ve been doing “my job” for most of the afternoon)

          Yes, I am a lady.

          Enthusiastic amateur? Probably, if only given half a chance…..! 😉

          Keep dreaming…… 😉 😡

          GG

      • #2601795

        But GG, Dont Go!

        by w2ktechman ·

        In reply to [b] Waaaaaah! He called me names, mummy! Waaaaaah [/b]

        TR needs the impure to bring balance to it all! Professional or not :0

    • #2601930

      I don?t really care if he

      by nentech ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      or anybody else chooses to leave or stay a TR

      Some of the fights can be very entertaining

      I know I look like a newbie but I have been reading the forums for a long time

      I think you lot have gone off the boil

      You?re not trying hard enough

      Stop being nice and get into it

      Stop playing the teams sports

      Points will be scored for individual achievement

      I will have to remain impartial

      Someone has to judge and it would not be fair to take sides

      Sorry disability will not be taken into account

      Blondes included

      Just keep it out of the questions forums

      • #2601922

        WooHooo

        by steffi28 ·

        In reply to I don?t really care if he

        Blondes Included 😀

        Your not leaving me out 🙂
        By the way I love your idea 😀

        • #2601865

          Don?t bug me am trying to count

          by nentech ·

          In reply to WooHooo

          @#$$%^ now I have to start again

          And by a blonde @#%&(*())(

      • #2601902

        LOL, My “disability” is an advantage in flame wars.

        by locrian_lyric ·

        In reply to I don?t really care if he

        We folks with AS have a natural talent for getting under people’s skins 😀

        • #2601862

          How am suppose to count if you interrupt me

          by nentech ·

          In reply to LOL, My “disability” is an advantage in flame wars.

          I am running out of fingers

          Its so hard typing with my toes

          !#%^^&% lost count again

          Your not a blonde are you?

        • #2601823

          Sadly, I’m two-tone

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to How am suppose to count if you interrupt me

          with gray gaining prominance, but no blonde…

        • #2601690

          Off-topic. OK I give up. What’s AS? Wikipedia gives a whole range of things

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to LOL, My “disability” is an advantage in flame wars.

          If I’m going to make fun of your ailment I want to at least have the correct one. :p

          I have IL. I’ll tell you what my letters mean if you’ll tell me what yours mean. :0 It’s none of my damn business but I want to know because you use the term AS as is if it should be obvious to us dummies. It’s not obvious to this dummy.

          Feel free to tell me using peermail if you’re more comfortable with that rather than posting it here.

          I treat all email/peermail as strictly confidential. To prove it… It was just the other day I learned that- HEY! Trying to trick me weren’t you? ]:)

          Oscar

        • #2601684

          Nevermind

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to LOL, My “disability” is an advantage in flame wars.

          I just saw a post where you’d defined AS. It is definitely not obvious on-line here other than the distinct possibility of your having a higher IQ. “Trade-offs” are a cast-iron bltch aren’t they? I gotta’ go read some more.

          Oscar

        • #2600390

          Online communication is easier for me.

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Nevermind

          Though I still make the repeated faux-pas.

          Where I run into trouble is with interpretation (both online and off).

          I have a definate problem with sarcasm. I often interpret it literally and while I can use it (if I’ve seen/heard it before) it’s more formulaic with me. (Ah, I’ve heard this before and it is used as sarcasm) I also have a tendency to come accross as sarcastic when I am not.

          Still, it’s not a bad life. If they could ever find a ‘cure’ I doubt I would take it. It is part of who I am, and I like who I am on most days 😀

    • #2601921

      Having read the above (to this moment):

      by cactus pete ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      It isn’t just Max. The discussion content has escalated, not elevated, pretty much across the board. ‘Both’ sides have proceeded in this manner, hence my paring back (considerably) of contributing content.

      Many people are correct that it’s getting worse and worse. Many people are correct that you should be able to handle it. Both sides have a point, but neither side (as is so often the case) really seems to want to admit there might need to be a compromise.

      In my business, I have often implemented an arbitrary date (usually per quarter) where all system must be evaluated as if from an outside entity. Don’t assume anything and keep a critical eye open for your own faults. Were we to apply this to our current situation we could start by looking at:

      http://www.cnetnetworks.com/editorial/terms.html?tag=tr.ft.co

      This is the CNET Networks terms of use.

      Under “Your conduct on our sites” you will find

      …you agree that you will not use our sites to take any of the following actions:

      1. Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten, or otherwise violate the legal right of others;
      2. Publish, post, upload, e-mail, distribute, or disseminate (collectively, “Transmit”) any inappropriate, profane, defamatory, infringing, obscene, indecent, or unlawful content;
      3. Transmit files that contain viruses, corrupted files, or any other similar software or programs that may damage or adversely affect the operation of another person’s computer, our sites, any software or hardware, or telecommunications equipment;
      4. Advertise or offer to sell any goods or services for any commercial purpose unless you have our written consent to do so;
      5. Transmit surveys, contests, pyramid schemes, spam, unsolicited advertising or promotional materials, or chain letters;
      6. Download any file that you know or reasonably should know cannot be legally obtained in such manner;
      7. Falsify or delete any author attributions, legal or other proper notices or proprietary designations or labels of the origin or the source of software or other material;
      8. Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying any public area within our sites;
      9. Collect or store personal information about other end users;
      10. Interfere with or disrupt our sites, servers, or networks;
      11. Impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a CNET Networks representative, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;
      12. Forge headers or manipulate identifiers or other data in order to disguise the origin of any content transmitted through our sites or to manipulate your presence on our sites;
      13. Take any action that imposes an unreasonably or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure;
      14. Engage in any illegal activities.

      Now then… Unless someone violates this, it isn’t realistic to suggest they leave. However, much of the arguing that goes on might begin to approach a point where one is warranted in reminding others that you really should play nice.

      So… what?

    • #2601909

      I have enjoyed both Deepsand and Maxwell’s posts

      by dadspad ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      unless they are insulting each other. I don’t care who started first. I feel insult begets insult.

      Not meaning as an insult or demeaning, but it reminds me of my children when they were in the 12 – 14 years of age. At this age, children are very sensitive to others opinions.

      I respect both Deepsand and Maxwell as adults and feel they know better how to act. Both of you know what an insult in posts will get you.

      If neither one of you can be the bigger person and stop this, then please don’t ask the rest of us not to enjoy online friendships with either Deepsand or Maxwell. Believe me, both of you are well worth knowning!

      Of course, you might disagree with what I say, but I will not insult anyone that does.

      • #2601889

        I agree

        by dr dij ·

        In reply to I have enjoyed both Deepsand and Maxwell’s posts

        I appreciate Max’s diatribes for personal responsibility. Just he isn’t being responsible about his own posts apparently?

        I did think his wanting to limit the free speach of Newsweek was irresponsible but that’s really an opinion. Not everyone can be for freedom and upholding the constitution.

        Maybe he agrees with religious societies where freedom of press is abridged because it offends someone or the religion or religious officials. And that was a while ago, maybe he realizes he was wrong but won’t admit it.

        How’s that for a backhanded compliment /insult? 🙂

        • #2601841

          See, you know how to play nice, sneaky, but nice :D

          by dadspad ·

          In reply to I agree

          :^0

        • #2601833

          Yeah

          by dr dij ·

          In reply to See, you know how to play nice, sneaky, but nice :D

          in the end you can’t let words bother you. I can’t imagine why Deep cares what Max thinks of him, they’ve been at it for ages.

          WOrd bashing and flaming, if you leave out the kind of silly curse words and serious insults, which show you aren’t really thinking up rational reasons, is a good stress relieving exercise.

          You express your opinion, maybe some agree with you, maybe some dont. And will sharpen your wits. Who knows, you may be convinced by some argument and come away with a better view of the world. Or convince others. That’s the base of democracy.

          Not slavish adherence to – ‘you inisulted me, I hate you’ or ‘you insulted me or my believs or my religion, now I will kill you’ kind of thinking that goes on in some countries.

      • #2600292

        If I would insult Sandy….

        by f4a6pilot ·

        In reply to I have enjoyed both Deepsand and Maxwell’s posts

        I would call him a submarine career man…

      • #2600290

        If I would insult Max…

        by f4a6pilot ·

        In reply to I have enjoyed both Deepsand and Maxwell’s posts

        I would call him OZ….

    • #2601893

      And how did he get all those ‘thumbs up’

      by dr dij ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      counter so high?

      I looked at profile and had very few posts for quite a while and no helping others questions.

      Clicking on yourself?
      (My mom told me not to do that 🙂

      • #2602104

        Before TR changed the Q&A setup

        by hal 9000 ·

        In reply to And how did he get all those ‘thumbs up’

        Max had several hundred thousand Tech Points, well in excess of 400K if I remember correctly and was listed as a Gold Member and though no where near The Chas amount he was one of the top people here at TR.

        I’m guessing that with the change and the fact that Max didn’t see much use for Tech Points other than being able to offer 100K for a problem that you run into at work for a quick answer there is very little need for him to visit the Q&A section now that it’s all been messed up.

        From my prospective we seem to be getting hit with End User Questions, Students asking for step by step instructions on how to do something or people unable to do their jobs and expecting us to help them out while they get the money for our brain work. I can see why Maxwell wouldn’t have much of an interest in the Q&A section any more.

        Col

        • #2600057

          er – excuse me – hang about –

          by midniteone ·

          In reply to Before TR changed the Q&A setup

          – and kindly stop slagging off us newbies.

          I may be a mere user with pretensions to understanding the IT (and a boss who expects VFM out of the spreadsheets and databases at my disposal) but I joined up here to learn from the counsels of the mighty.

          As such, I may occasionally chuck in an opinion or I may just read and digest. Or when you people are squabbling away in a cheap and nasty thread like this one, I can go looking for something more illuminating.

          On the other hand, when I need help I ask for it and I make sure to acknowledge it when it’s given. If I knew enough to help someone else I’d do it.

          If some of you have been here long enough that you think you’ve heard all the questions before, fine. If you’re overworked/overstressed etc., and don’t have time to help someone out, then fine, I can well understand that. Just try and remember that you once knew as little as we do (I guess!) and don’t (as you are in the above text) try and make us the scapegoat for someone else’s ranting and raving. Whatever he is, good/bad/indifferent, I’d guess he was like it long before we came along.

        • #2602667

          Midniteone, you do a disservice

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to er – excuse me – hang about –

          both to yourself and to Col.

          That 666 next to his avatar (while clearly identifying his personality) is also the number of times he correctly answered a users question AND was given credit by the user. FYI, the average for answers NOT rated by the users is around 60%. That 666 is about 40% of the efforts he has given to users over the years, for free.

          And there is a difference between getting stuck and needing a hand, and coming in and asking someone to spoon feed you the step-by-step answer so they can go back and look the hero.

          I have been to many tech sites where your answer will be a link to a site for you to go read the answer yourself. People here go much further than that.

          Next time get some information before offering a worthless opinion. An uninformed opinion is worse than no opinion.

        • #2602582

          ease up there –

          by midniteone ·

          In reply to Midniteone, you do a disservice

          – because that’s not actually a fair representation of what I said.

          (Deep breath) I have no criticism of Col (sorry to be personal but I’m looking at JDC’s reply not the avatar) and whatever help he’s given in the past (and didn’t intende to make one) – he seems like a nice guy and I am more than willing to acknowledge what you say about him!

          I don’t even question the idea that un-named people may go for the easy option and poach the expertise of others because I’ve seen it done (I’ve been around a few years myself and it’s not confined to the IT field either!)

          I don’t know many tech sites – strike that, I do, but they have been neither helpful nor memorable which is why I’ve wound up here – so I take your word on what you say about that.

          On another occasion I might argue with your final sentence (there is a difference between opinions and facts and a variation in their relationship to the real world) but that would be getting into philosophy which is hardly the issue.

          What I WAS trying to say is that

          (a) I believe the original generalisation to be unfair (you may argue as you seem to have the same view of the current crop of questions)

          (b) I can well understand that if that IS your perception then regardless of what you/he/they have done before then someone might get fed up with doing it, especially if they feel they’re being taken advantage of (there is a sharper way of describing what they believe is being done to them but I don’t want to end my short career here by being edited out!)and

          (c) even it WAS to be a fair justification then it hardly gives an adequate argument for the original subject (maxwell?) to turn stroppy with all and sundry, which is the way I read the original post. Whatever either of them have done in the past, and Col seems to have weathered the storm with more grace and patience than maxwell, while making a significant contribution to the development and welfare of others, then losing patience/positivity/enthusiasm for it doesn’t mean someone can turn around and lash out at everyone else.

          Which I thought was the original subject of the thread.

          There, end of response/explication. Someone will probably tell me I’ve got all the names wrong now. All I’m trying to do is put a ‘newbie’ ‘s point of view – it is possible to try and learn positively and not just leech off one’s betters – whatever the rest of you may believe at this point. You are welcome to condemn me for naivety, but don’t nail me for slagging off someone else’s achievements when I did nothing of the kind.

        • #2599126

          Did not mean to imply YOU slagged anything

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to ease up there –

          Sorry if the generic use of “you” had you thinking there was a bit target painted on your forehead.

          I stand behind the last statement as intended, of getting to know the people before you comment on them.

          Sandy and Max have had some angry words, and walking in half way through a fight and hearing one side is hardly giving you a good picture of either.

          The two are very much alike in their tolerance for people that disagree with them, even if many of their political thoughts are polar opposites. You can see where this would be a mix like oil and water.

        • #2599076

          midniteone I’m actually evil Beth will agree with that as well. :^0

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to ease up there –

          OK maybe the above statement was too general in outlook but at the time I had just finished attempting to explain to someone that they need to know what to ask when they ask a question. If I remember correctly I had jut been hit with something like [i]I’ve got 2,000 square foot of floor space what Router do I need?[/i] as a question.

          It’s more than a bit vague and indecisive isn’t it? Then at the same time someone claiming to be a LAN Admin asking for step by step directions for joining a computer to a domain. Neither of these questions are reasonable to ask and are just the tip of the Iceberg. While I really don’t have a problem helping people when they are in genuine need I don’t like feeling used either and those 2 questions are perfect examples of what is going wrong with TR now.

          Once Upon A Time in a Galaxy Far Far Away we used to answer questions about Technical Issues and try to find solutions for people and at the same time learn something along the way. But now the Q&A Section seems to be predominately used by home users or end users who don’t have a clue what they are talking about. This is fine if they say so and you can then try to word a reply in a manner that they can understand or in terms that are so general that they are easily understood.

          Maybe it’s just me but I’m getting sick & tied of answering a question to someone who claims that they are a professional only to be asked what a NB is, after they have asked a question about Lap Tops. :0

          Or telling someone else that they don’t need 2 routers on the one LAN as they will be isolating one part of the LAN from the rest and then spending time explaining what they are doing and also explaining that they are effectively creating a Child section on the LAN which isn’t technically correct but is about the only term that comes close to what they are doing. These same people will then spend ages looking up a term like that but not look up the original question and then jump on you for misleading them. What I should have said is that this is exactly the same as creating a Child Domain but that would also be misleading when there are using a Peer to Peer LAN. Some people seem to think that they deserve an answer no matter what and to be lead step by step through a setup when they can not be bothered to tell you the Make & Models of things like Routers but somehow we are still supposed to know exactly what they require.

          Things like this get a bit tiring and do cause quite a few people to walk away from the Q&A Section here and I really don’t blame them for this. Then there are others who will repost a question 30 minutes after they originally posted the same question and expect an immediate answer because we have to answer their questions, at least that’s how they feel and it’s not right. The same people will look at the site activity and Peer Mail members of the top 10 asking questions directly as well believing that we are somehow responsible for answering their questions.

          Generally speaking I don’t mind helping when I can but I don’t like being used and I don’t think that anyone would be happy with a situation like that happening often.

          The night before I made the above post I had received several E-Mails from someone here all about 30 minutes apart and the first one was a question which arrived here in AU around 3.00 AM then more demanding e-mails not requesting an immediate reply but demanding a reply now not when I’m awake or anything like that. This person wanted an answer now and to hell with what anyone else was doing. When I got up the next morning I sent off an answer and all I got in return was a complaint that it took so long to get an answer from me. I then made a mental note to block that particular sender and ignore them in the future.

          But the ones that I really like are the people who ask a question in the Q&A Section then they want a better explanation so they Peer Mail me about something that I’ve said so I expand on the reply and forward it along only to have the message bounced because the E-Mail address that they are using doesn’t exist. I’m not sure how TR qualifies these people for membership but it’s more than a slight nuisance when it happens.

          Anyway if you have any problem feel free to ask me if I can be of any assistance I will try to help you out as I don’t have a problem with helping people in genuine need but as I’ve said above I don’t like feeling used and quite a lot of what happens now is abuse of the system that was put in place to make life easier for people who needed help or wanted to ask a question of a delicate nature away from a Public Forum that is open to the world.

          Cheers

          Col

        • #2603305

          Hi Guys

          by midniteone ·

          In reply to midniteone I’m actually evil Beth will agree with that as well. :^0

          picked up both of your posts in quick succession, also had a pm giving me some of the context (and telling me, albeit subtly, I’m shooting from the hip again) – a bad habit and one I thought I’d got away from.

          Having also tapped into a lot of history I get a better feel for all of this, and although I stand by some of my indignation on behalf of us technically challenged folk, I really hadn’t got the whole Q&A thing in perspective.

          Sorry guys, there’s an old proverb that says ‘measure twice, cut once’ – just slipped my mind there for a while.

    • #2601854

      Talk about a tempest in a piss pot!!! Only Max or Sandy can generate…….

      by sleepin’dawg ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      this sort of discussion and it’s what has been missing from TR for way too long. I agree that sometimes it goes a bit over the top but damn it, where else can you have as much fun with your clothes on as you can have at TR these days. We’ve had an influx of easily shocked and/or ignorant newbies over the past eight or nine months and it would be nice if TR could get back to its free wheeling, anything goes, atmosphere and/or ambiance. TR was becoming stale; this puts some life and pizazz back into proceedings even if we do have to tolerate a few blonds. Ooops!!! Hi there, Steffi!!!!

      BTW Beth is pretty cool with most of our crap and exercises a very dicriminating whip hand. She only interferes with the truly egregious and foul.

      [b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

      • #2601850

        I’m shocked by that statement…

        by locrian_lyric ·

        In reply to Talk about a tempest in a piss pot!!! Only Max or Sandy can generate…….

        or not… 😀

      • #2601831

        I’m waiting to get slapped by beth

        by danlm ·

        In reply to Talk about a tempest in a piss pot!!! Only Max or Sandy can generate…….

        But, I have my handcuffs ready for her to use on me when she does it. Yuk a hey, if your going to be slapped you might as well enjoy it.

        Ack, did I just admit to what I think I did?

        Damn

      • #2601810

        HERE … HERE!!!

        by pser ·

        In reply to Talk about a tempest in a piss pot!!! Only Max or Sandy can generate…….

        Not that my 2 cents matter much but I’m with you Dawg. Miss those days as well …

        A quote of mine from the latest thread that has these two going at it … again. “You gotta give it to Max, whether you love ’em or hate ’em … he’ll make us ALL think. Like I told him long ago, it was him and his discussions that “hooked me”. Good or bad, right or wrong, agree or dis-agree, Max has definitely got a head on his shoulders and I have learned much from his contributions to TR’s “Water cooler Discussions”. Although he mostly infuriates me personally, I still have nothing but respect for his passionate sense of instigating dialogue directly related to the issues of our tumultuous time of existence.”

        I’d go as far as saying that would apply to Sandy as well (except he has not infuriated me as much as Max, personally).

        That being said, why don’t you two guys just bury the hatchet (No, not that way!), ignore each other, or … “duke it out”. “Max v. Deep” thread. Just you two expressing exactly why you have such contempt for the other. No one else will agree or disagree with either of you in this thread … it’s just for the two of you, a caged death match, if you will.

        It’s obvious y’all are not ever going to “get along” so why not “get it on”! You’ll both walk away bloodied and battered but maybe some good will come out of it, maybe not … just a thought.

        • #2598844

          Are you offering to be referee?

          by nentech ·

          In reply to HERE … HERE!!!

          I am happy to give up the job :^0

          Lost count to many times :_|

          Not enough fingers 🙁

        • #2600370

          You’re Not Blonde Too Are You??

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to Are you offering to be referee?

          Just asking :p

        • #2601005

          No but some of my brain cells may be

          by nentech ·

          In reply to You’re Not Blonde Too Are You??

          Steffi are you a bottle blonde? 😐

          If so can you tell me what brand? 😀

          I want to know what brand to avoid if I decide to go blonde :^0

        • #2600995

          You are so mean!

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to No but some of my brain cells may be

          Ok, yes, she is a bottle blonde, but that is just to bring out the true colors that were dyed out previously… :^0

          She was blonde until she was around 12 years old, so the roots were well adapted to the ‘blondeness effect’.

          And yes, this has seriously damaged brain function. But, which was worse, the brain being damaged by the roots, or the bleach???

          Both seem to have affected her ability to think, and function (pole dancing aside). :^0

        • #2588849

          Well now I don?t have to worry

          by nentech ·

          In reply to You are so mean!

          You can take the hit
          I may be safe now

        • #2588774

          That’s It!!

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to You are so mean!

          I’m going to ignore both of you from now on so :p there!!

          I’ll just go sit in the corner and cry :_|

          (oh and Schwarzkopf)

        • #2588566

          Ahhh Steffi — We love you anyway :x

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to You are so mean!

          especially while pole dancing!!!

        • #2600916

          Steffi don?t cry :_|

          by nentech ·

          In reply to You are so mean!

          I promise not to go blonde 🙁

          Even if blondes have more fun 😀

          So don?t take offence or a post or a gate :p

          Now what was I talking about was it farming? ?:|

          O dear wrong web site B-)

        • #2602261

          NO NO NO!!!

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to You are so mean!

          I am still not talking to you :p

          (If I were you I’d enjoy the silence while it lasts :p )

        • #2602257

          Why, thruth hurts? :^0

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to You are so mean!

          Oh, sorry… I had an evil streak!!!

          Edited to add: Not my fault! Hal brainwashed me to say it! (suspicion anyway)

        • #2602237

          :0

          by steffi28 ·

          In reply to You are so mean!

          i’m even more upset now!! :p

          And anyway whats thruth?? :p

        • #2600273

          Neither Max or Sandy are bad guys…

          by f4a6pilot ·

          In reply to HERE … HERE!!!

          Sandy is always wrong, and Max is always right… Or is it the other way around or from whose viewpoint. We would be poorer without our two geriatric Rightie and Leftie… or WAS THAT RIGHTIE AND WRONGIE…. ;->

        • #2601003

          Confusing

          by nentech ·

          In reply to Neither Max or Sandy are bad guys…

          Hows this for a scare

          What if they swapped names?

          Brrrr chills

        • #2600974

          The bigger conspiracy theory suggests

          by drowningnotwaving ·

          In reply to Confusing

          they are the same person !! :0 🙂

        • #2588850

          Now I am worried

          by nentech ·

          In reply to The bigger conspiracy theory suggests

          Brrrrrrrr super chills

    • #2598903

      C’mon – it’s just a matter of efficiency

      by drowningnotwaving ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      Every discussion forum has a bigot, a warmonger, a fool and an all round nasty person.

      In Max, we get it all in one. How easy is that?

    • #2598728

      How silly

      by maecuff ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      One of the things I LIKE about this forum is to watch the bickering. It’s always entertaining. It’s ridiculous for anyone to get their feelings hurt on a message board like this. All I have to say to that, is it’s time to put on your big girl panties and play with the grown ups.

      With that being said, do I LIKE everything Max, or anyone else, for that matter, posts? Of course not. And if I feel so inclined, I will voice my displeasure, but I certainly wouldn’t waste any time stewing over it.

    • #2598661

      What is happening here?

      by mjd420nova ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      I’ve tried to stay out of the mix here and certainly have no say what so ever in the outcome. My very wise father taught me that everyone wonders how big a fool you are unitl you open your mouth and remove all doubt. He also said that opinions and rectums are alike, everyones got one. Your job will be to decide which one they are using. I’m trying to be polite and PC but it can be difficult at times. I really enjoy the activity with some of the discussion tracks and soon reveal themselves as to worth while to follow and the popularity. This ones verging more upon chat and the time stamps can get confusing but that many entries in two days.??

    • #2600359

      Accept the Old Curmudgeon

      by thechas ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      Max just does not like the direction he sees our world heading in and is responding to change like an old curmudgeon.

      I do miss the old Max with his long and reasoned replies. Even when I disagreed with his conclusions or methods.

      I remember a thread once where I was criticized for being Max’s lap dog.

      There is no reason for Max to be evicted from TR. Nor, should he stop posting unless it is of his desire to walk away.

      Chas

    • #2588870

      The time has come for deepsand to admit. . . . .

      by maxwell edison ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      …that he’s an absolute IDIOT and a pompous a$$hole.

      This thread PROVES that deepsand is a deranged old fart, worthy of nothing except spitting upon.

      Up-Yours, you miserable old loser.

    • #2588557

      Disagree

      by onbliss ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      The first reaction on reading that post was that somebody stole Max’s password 🙂 I guessed he must have come from another thread after having a discussion with you 🙂 But the ideas represented the Max that I know @ TR. But his “STFU” was shocking especially when addressed to apotheon (another great contributor to this forum).

      To be honest, I have reduced my reading any exchange between Max and you. Both of you just try to excel each other in needless insults. I often wanted to jump in and call a time out. But it was not my business. Since you created a thread, I have chosen to put in my 2 cents.

      Max presence at TR is invaluable to me. His arguments have helped me in (re)checking, developing, (re)framing some of my thoughts, ideas & arguments. Of course I disagree with him, and sometimes find him unnecessarily rude. Sometimes his comments border on being troll-like-comments. All said and done, I have gained a lot watching and reading him.

      My only distress is that Max and Neil seemed to have softened towards each other and I sense some kind of mutual respect blossoming into boring discussions 🙂 We need to keep those two on different sides, if you want to read some good arguments about say if the Sun should raise on the North or South!! Those two can come up some real good reasons in support of either or one of those directions.

      So I urge everybody to keep Neil and Max at each other’s throats 🙂 Any kind of instigation towards that end would be welcomed by me.

      Max and you have lost respect towards each other. So maybe you guys should just reduce getting into each other’s face.

    • #2602291

      If you don’t like Maxwell’s posts, why read him?

      by charliespencer ·

      In reply to The time has come for maxwell edison to leave TR.

      Don’t post to his topics, and ignore him if he posts to yours. It’s not that difficult.

      apotheon’s a big boy. I’ve never known him to have trouble defending himself. Max’s post was a bit harsh, but appy’s discussion-starter was surprisingly “pitiful me”. I’d miss him if he left, but I’m not sure I understand his problem with the site.

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