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There is no 'source',

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Actually, there is

by blarman In reply to There is no 'source',

First, you have yourself. You have the ability to choose for yourself what to believe and what you want to do with your life. You are an intelligent being with the capacity to reason and act. You make judgement calls every day of your life.

Second, there is the God that made you and grants you life. He loves you and wants you to be happy. You are His son, just as I am. He speaks to us through prayer and through holy men called prophets and apostles. These holy men write down what they learn and this becomes scripture. We can know that these things are true by listening to the feelings we have when we read or listen to the words of God, and most especially when we pray. He is the ultimate Arbiter and one day we will all come to stand before Him - hopefully to be welcomed home.

It may be hard in this world to believe in God. There are philosophies of every kind that seek our attention. Even atheism is a philosophy, and it is harder to prove than the existence of God. The question is to figure out what God is like, and that is why there are so many religions - all have a different view of God.

I believe very strongly in a God who is our Father. He loves us as a father would his children. He wants us to be happy and He sent us here so we could learn to be more like Him. He knew, however, that we would make mistakes that would make it impossible for us to return to Him, and so He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to bridge the gap. He also sends His Spirit to communicate with us and help us to know the truth.

If you wish to continue this discussion, I will tell you of a very personal story in my life that confirmed these truths to me and has brought me peace. If you are not interested, I respect your decision.

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The existence of God

by NickNielsen In reply to Actually, there is

can be neither proved nor disproved.

For those who would prove his existence, there is no empirical evidence outside their own belief. Those who would prove his non-existence find themselves in the unenviable position of attempting to prove a negative. In both cases, the "proof" will be affirmed or denied based on the personal beliefs of the listener.

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No proof of the existence of the world, either...

by AnsuGisalas In reply to The existence of God

So, I'll take an interest in claims about God when someone proves that the world exists.

Until then, I'm just enjoying the show

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And therein lies the problem

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to No proof of the existence ...

God if it exists would never leave any proof that it exists as Faith would then have no meaning.

So if there is a God there can be no possible proof that it exists.

However here I'm thinking more of what is considered as God by the Christians not the Greeks, Roman or Norse Gods who where always involved with their believers lives and constantly being seen and interacted with.

As stated in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy if God left any proof of it's existence and this Proof was discovered God would cease to exist and in reality would never have existed hence the Paradox of how can there be signs that a God Existed when they/it never existed?

Of course if you believe that the White Mice are your God/s as they are the ones responsible for the Planet and all life on it that is a different story.


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It's a great show, isn't it?

by NickNielsen In reply to No proof of the existence ...

Sometimes I wonder, though, whether the blue pill wouldn't have been the better choice...

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It's called an empirical test.

by seanferd In reply to No proof of the existence ...

Go kick a tree and let me know whether or not you and the tree and the ground you walk on and the air you breath exist.

Any odd existential argument about whether physical objects exist is pointless, as they behave exactly the same way for everyone. It doesn't matter if the world is a simulation, all in your head, or real in the standard sense. Everything operates regularly according to the rules of nature we have discovered.

I'd like to see even one valid question against the existence of the world. Just one. Or just provide evidence of any reality violation that may imply the existence of a god or super extradimensional aliens or a computer simulation the defines and controls the world and alter the rules at will.

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Descarte is to blame...

by AnsuGisalas In reply to It's called an empirical ...

We have no proof of the world from outside the world, see?
Could be an illusion imposed on poor you by some Malevolent Daemon, i.e. God.
Granted, since you don't know how to dispel the illusion, you definitely have more options by going along with it...

Of course, there's a religion or two for that, too: Buddhism says it's all a sham and a scam, and getting out is the only option that's real...

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A difference that makes no difference

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Descarte is to blame...

is no difference.

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Every little bit helps

by AnsuGisalas In reply to A difference that makes n ...

I find the fact that it all might be fake makes it a little easier to

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to Actually, there is

"He speaks to us through prayer and through holy men called prophets and apostles. These holy men write down what they learn and this becomes scripture."

Anyone can call himself a prophet or an apostle, and call what he has written 'scripture'. There's no vetting process, no peer review, no qualifications or licensing. Holy books have appeared and disappeared over the millenniums. What make one more or less 'true' than the others? Longevity? Popularity?

"We can know that these things are true by listening to the feelings we have ..."

That's not knowledge, that's belief or faith. Others claim to 'know' something else from listening to their feelings, often 'knowing' something completely different and in opposition.

"He loves us as a father would his children."

I have a difficult time with the concept of a father who promises eternal punishment to his children should they disagree with or even simply ignore him. I have a problem with a father who condemns his grandchildren and great grandchildren for their parents' 'original sin'. I have a problem with a father who refuses to interact directly with his children.

You're satisfied with your faith. More power to you; faith is an action or state I don't think I'm capable of. But please don't attempt to pass it off as knowledge.

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