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They Label themselves "No Labels"

By maxwell edison ·

Their mission: "Put the Labels Aside. Do What's Best for America. We are Democrats, Republicans, and Independents who are united in the belief that we do not have to give up our labels, merely put them aside to do what's best for America.

They are hiding behind the label, No Label, but I suspect, as usual, the disagreements will come when defining the policy positions that constitute Do What's Best for America.

Defining Do What's Best for America is exactly the debate that should be advanced. Define and articulate your vision of Do What's Best for America, instead of repeating what's become one of the silliest platitudes on the planet, in whatever form it's uttered - for the common good, for the good of the country, doing what's best for America, etc.

How about this vision?

1. Cut the size, scope, control, power - and spending budget - of government by 1 percent per year for the next 25 years.

2. Overhaul Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid so that those government functions are slowly and systematically reverted back to be the responsibility of the state and/or the individual, phasing them all out of existence over the next 50 years.

3. Repeal any and all tax credits for anybody and everybody.

4. Sell between 50 million and 100 million acres (out of 650 million acres) of federal land to the private sector.

5. Freeze total government revenue collected at about its current level. Take the surplus from all the aforementioned savings (and earnings from sale) to pay down - or possibly even pay off - the national debt, after which time total revenue collected can be reduced.

6. Don't pass on the burden of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and a bloated national debt to future generations.

7. Eliminate any number of federal departments: Education, Health and Human Services, Labor, Agriculture, etc., and pass on those responsibilities to the state and/or individual.

8. Repeal the 16th Amendment, and change to a comsumption-based system for collecting revenue.

9, 10......

I wonder if the No Label folks share any semblance of that vision of doing what's best for America? Label me skeptical.

Their label doesn't fool me. And there will be those who won't let them hide behind it.

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to They Label themselves "No ...

I'm concerned that turning some functions over to the states would result in a wide range of programs and bureaucracies that would be prohibitively cumbersome for private businesses to interact with. Imagine a business in multiple states having to keep up with multiple retirement or medical plans, some mandatory, some voluntary.

Of course, that worry goes away if retirement and medical responsibilities are returned to the individual instead of the states.

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I'd be skeptical as well

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to They Label themselves "No ...

so that means we believe the sames things right.

It's crap like "Do what's best for america" that makes me despair western politics.

It means nothing, it says nothing, get all these people with no labels in a room and get them to debate what's best for america? Labels will find a roost, and quick.

This approach is fundamentaly dishonest even by a politician's standards, such as they are...

You've all got guns why don't you shoot the lot of 'em.

Pretty sure that's why successive UK governments of every label, don't let us have them.

For all those who wish reality could mirror art.

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If they offer nothing more than platitudes

by NickNielsen In reply to They Label themselves "No ...

I doubt their success. Americans don't do well without labels. Never have. Good to see another voice for moderating the partisan shrillness, though.

****, Max, I don't share much of your vision. Reducing government spending, eliminating cabinet departments, and repealing tax credits, yes. The rest, not so much. And given your points 1 and 2, point 6 is essentially redundant.

However, I now find myself curious. On the face of it, it's the <a href=>Coffee Party</a> for the political insider, but the political diversity of their Citizen and Founding Leaders is interesting. Going to have to take another look.

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Then you're in favor of . . . . .

by maxwell edison In reply to If they offer nothing mor ...

Passing on the burden of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and a bloated national debt to future generations.

Maybe you can burden them with your car payment and mortgage as well? In fact, why not pass on your American Express bill as well. Run that sucker up as high as possible, and let future generations pay for it!

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As many times, Max

by NickNielsen In reply to Then you're in favor of . ...

as you've accused others of jumping to conclusions...

Rule #1. It's not a zero-sum game.

You figure it out from there. I know your views. Mine parallel yours on the fiscal, but not so much on the social. Deal with it.

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Fiscal and Social

by maxwell edison In reply to As many times, Max

Different sides of the same coin.

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If you had to make the following choice

by maxwell edison In reply to If they offer nothing mor ...

1. You die after living a reasonably lengthy life.

2. You live for a while longer, but your kids and their generation will pay $100,000 for each and every year you continue to live.

It's not their choice, but yours. Which would you choose?

Unfortunately, all too many people are choosing number two.

I'll choose number one.

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I choose option 3

by NickNielsen In reply to If you had to make the fo ...

And that's my choice.

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I'm ready to stop worrying about that one.

by CharlieSpencer In reply to If you had to make the fo ...

I don't have kids. Apparently those who do don't shive a git, and neither do those they elect. If they're not willing to sacrifice for the next generation's benefit, why should I with no dog in the fight?

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by santeewelding In reply to They Label themselves "No ...

Is what it's going to take, I think.

Meantime, what they're doing; what you're doing; is twiddling thumbs.

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