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Thoughts of an employee

By mismeshal ·
Thoughts of an employee:

I am writing this in the form of an interview to bring a touch of reality into the subject I want to talk about.

Ok, our first question is: In your opinion, why should someone have a job?
Talking about me, I work because I have passion for accomplishments, but I can live a great life without a job. That doesn?t mean that I should not study or that I can work for no salary, in other words, whether an employee needs the salary or not, everyone should earn what they deserve based on skills, performance, and market value.

That sounds good, but if you said that during a job interview, it might give the impression that you will be running away as soon as you are not comfortable.
Yes, you have a point. Being employed is more of a relationship to me, just like marriage. I will help the organization reach their goals by all means and give it all the reasons needed to make it invest and take care of me. On the other hand, I will bring this relationship to an end in case I was given all reasons needed to make me actually end it so that I can continue to pursue my goals. I am fairly sure that this is a good deal for any organization.
In a perfect world, yes, but it is really hard to expect everything to go normal as it should without fighting for it.
Ok, let us look at it this way, when you get a job, you will sign a contract, right? By definition, a contract has the terms and conditions for a business deal between two or more parties. There is no such thing as a one-sided contract. They have their version and I have mine. I don?t see why I should fight and negotiate for my rights because, to me, negotiation is weakness. We have to satisfy the formula of equality. Employees have objectives just like organizations. We both should support each other to reach our objectives and if one side is stopping the other, the relationship must end.

Last question, you mentioned objectives, can you tell us about your objective?
Ok, my objective is written in my resume. ?To start a relationship, with an organization, that will enable and strengthen both parties to reach their goals and objectives. I should give the organization all the reasons it needs to be interested in investing in me by doing an outstanding job.?

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Why should someone have a job ?

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Thoughts of an employee

Ask me that and you'll be talking to the back of my head as I leave.

Negotiation is a weakness?

You haven't actually said that have you?

If I was interviewing you, that one statement would cross you off the list.

If you were interviewing me and said it, I'd just get up and walk out of the door.

Not being willing to negotiate is a negotiating position.

So is not being willing not to negotiate.

The so called equality of the relationship is a perception, none of the factors can be measured in a meaningful quantitative way.

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Very nice

by mismeshal In reply to Why should someone have a ...

I like your reply, that is what I wanted to see.
If you consider what I said as general, you are absolutely right.

Ok, I will tell you my story and then you tell me what do you think.

I worked in my first year after graduation with a company as a level one manager. Then for reasons that dont matter here, I resigned. I applied for one bank, and i got a trainee position because I have less than two years experience as they said. That was a downgrade, however, I had to sacrifice because my new manager is a true gentleman and i'll prove that I deserve that position. By the way, both firms have the same grade scale. I recieved other offers with 20% more salary but not that great managers so I chose the bank over them because I would rather be happy at work than have higher salary and at the same time I can work hard and get the salary I want in the place I want.

Now, this bank has two cycles a year for promotions and raises. I joined the bank a month before the first cycle. So I worked for 7 months and did a extraordinary job. My manger was really happy and he recommended a promotion and a raise without telling me. In the promotion day, I didnt get any. I was very disappointed and I decided that I should not continue the same performance. I couldn't do that, because I either do a perfect job or I just dont. Suddenly, my manager told me that he spoke with management and they told him "We are sorry, we promised you to promote him but HR didn't list his name in the list of candidates because he didn't complete one year, so we forgot him." and he said I will make it up to you next cycle.

The point is:
1- I want to continue the same performance, however, if I didn't get what my manager promised me, I will have to leave because it is not fair at all. In addition, I recieve offers every two months with higher salary BUT not that good managers or environment to work in.

2- If I lowered my performance, I will not feel bad because I didn't perform well at the first place. The problem is, I cannot lower performance because I cannot do anything not well, I just can't, I have to do it very well.

That is the source of the problem I am trying to explain.
One thing to know, my performance is better than people with higher salary and higher positions in the bank as agreed by my manager and many colleages.

Please tell me what do you think? What do you recommend?

Warm Regards,

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A manager replies

by JamesRL In reply to Very nice

In my company, you must complete 2 years to be considered for promotion.

You are young. You must learn patience. Instead of being grateful for having been considered for promotion after a short period, you now sound bitter. If you can't get over that, then leave and start fresh somewhere else.

You are right to consider more than just salary in your considerations. Over the long run you are better off in a place where you can learn and grow, than going for salary in the short term.

Forgive me for being bold, but your statement about being better than those making more, are you really in a position to know that? Do you know their performance as well as their managers do?

In my experience these things correct themselves over time. If you are performing at a high level for your pay scale, you will get better raises and more promotions and things will even out. Seven months is barely out of probation around here, this leveling out takes years. Again if you don't have the patience, leave, but don't expect that everything will be wonderful at your next job either.


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"it is not fair at all."

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to Very nice

The ONLY thing fair in life is that EVERYTHING (emphasis not yelling) that comes into existence goes out of existence. Fairness is an idealogical concept invented by man that has no basis in reality (that which is as opposed to that which ought to be).

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Ah well, I can afford my attitude

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Very nice

I've been in continuous employment in IT since 87. I've got a skills list longer than you are tall, shed loads of experience in varied businesses. I've done DBA, admin and web admin, I started computers academically in 1977.

If the experience you are gaining is valuable, then you are right to stay.

I see no benefit to you from leaving after seven months, give it another year. Another year and you have two things, one you've been a substantial investment by the company, two you can write two years experience on your resume.

Two years is way way better than than 6 months. If you are getting sidelined and left with crap tasks, cut and run, otherwise stay. You'll get more out it than they will.

Watch for more broken promises, any company going down that route is serious trouble.

Be the best you can be all the time, it will get noticed by those who have the intellect to recognise it. Those who don't, don't matter, leave them in your wake when you choose your own path. Don't let fools choose it for you.

Careful about the performance bit, at what and when. I've no idea how good you are but only a complete idiot would tell you, you were performing well, when you weren't.
They didn't reward it though, did they, worse still knowing they'd made a mistake they didn't correct it, so may be it doesn't have as much value to them as they would have you believe.
With a mere seven months in the only thing we can say is if you hadn't performed at least adequately you'd be gone.

If I was reading your resume and I saw seven months and then left, that would worry me. If you told me you left because more experienced people were getting paid more for doing less, it would be "don't call us, we'll call you".

That's why you want the other year, otherwise you are effectively starting from scratch again.
Leaving because there was no scope to develop yourself is a very acceptable reason, because you thought you were as good as everyone else, a non-starter.

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Re2All: Thanks for your support

by mismeshal In reply to Ah well, I can afford my ...

Thank you all very much, Mr. Tony, Mr. James, and Mr. Boxfiddler. I really appreciate your comments. I feel much better now, the way you put it is very optimistic and bright. Today, I rejected the job offer number 4 (an offer without interviewing me). What I said was

"Thank you very much for offering me the opportunity to work at XXXX. After thinking it over, I don't see that changing the industry I work in now as a good move because I should at least have a banking background that counts before switching to another industry. In addition, doing this will endanger my career by being considered a job hopper. If I switched now to insurance, I will have one year in marketing, 9 months in banking, and recently insurance all in two years.

Once again, I'd like to express my gratitude for the consideration and my regrets that it could't work out under current circumstances. You have my best wishes in finding someone suitable for your team.

Warm Regards,"

Thanks all for inspiring me and for letting me gain from your experience. What you all said is very true, I should let things even out and if they didn't, I should have enough experience before leaving, that is, get the most out of it.

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Now there's a sentence you don't normally expect ...

by drowningnotwaving In reply to Re2All: Thanks for your s ...

Thank you all very much, Mr. Tony, Mr. James, and Mr. Boxfiddler.

ROTFLMAO - in tears.

Sorry - in no way do I wish to demean the kind message !! Just that sentence was Python-esque and all the more because of the innocence.

Courtesy on TR has reached a new high.

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I dont care

by mismeshal In reply to Now there's a sentence yo ...

I am thanking them because I didn't expect such a long honest reply with that much of details. To be fair, I dont care if someone percieved the message "funny" as you did. Even if i turned back in time, I will write the same message.

P.S. you could've LYAO without posting a reply saying that you did with reasons.

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by drowningnotwaving In reply to I dont care
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olde worlde courtesy

by midniteone In reply to I dont care

the courtesy in your reply does you credit - and even if it did come over as a little stylised, it's a shame that we should wind up commenting on something which once upon a time we might have taken for granted. you maybe take the response a little personally - we're all old and cynical, that's what it is.

I'm not going to get into a rant about young people and bad language (etc etc etc) but it is noticeable how terse and abrupt much of our communications have become. it's all info and impact and no time for anything which might be perceived as decoration or irrelevance.

considering how little emails cost to send, it's strange how we're so miserly with the things - you'd think we were paying by the word.

(of course, the time preparing them in a safe and lawsuit-proof way is something else again...(!))

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