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Tight and clean Defrag

By Aaron A Baker ·
This may seem a little finicky, however, I am of the type that likes things to be in proper order.
I'm running Windows XP Pro.
The problem is that when I defrag my system, I am always left with spaces between the [Blue] files.
I am aware that the Green ones are directories and therefore cannot be moved, however, I am unable to get the drives to Defrag in a tighter more efficient manner i.e. all the blue nice and tight with no spaces.
I was wondering if there is a procedure that I could use, that when I Defrag my Hard Drive
"I have four", actually One 40 Gb Hard Drive "Partitioned" into four, is there a procedure that I could use to defrag and have the results
show up in a nice tight drive on all of them, with no spaces between the blue files.
The C Drive is FAT32, the others NTSF.
In short, how do I accomplish a tight Defrag and is it possible?
Any thoughts?
I would be grateful for advice.
Thank you in advance
Aaron A Baker

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by JRod86 In reply to Tight and clean Defrag

I'm not sure if that is possible. The purpose of Defrag is to make sure your files are as contiguous as possible on the amount of harddrive space. If you want a pretty picture, get Norton Speed Disk. That tends to defrag an put the most frequently accessed files in the front (and gives you a nice tight picture like you describe).

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by Aaron A Baker In reply to

Hello JRo86;
Thanks for the comeback. I had put Norton on my other computers and ran into trouble with it. So I decided not to put it on this one.
Being from the "Old School" I have watched many Defrags and they always went well etc. Then along comes Windows XP and now we have a whole new view. No problem with the view per se, my problem was that as I noticed that the Bleu had spaces I kept getting a "gut feeling" this was in fact slack on the drive. From the comebacks that I'm getting, I guess I was mistaken and so will have to get used to the spaces.It's no big deal, but I thought I'd ask.
Thanks for coming back tome on this one.

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by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Tight and clean Defrag

Aaron I'm not sure that this is possible Norton's Speed disk will improve the amount of fragmentation under XP but it is much slower to run than Defrag is but it will move most of the files into one block with only a few patches on the HDD left with some data stored on them.

But I haven't run across any other software that will do a similar job.

However unless you are running a Dual Boot system you'll probable find converting the FAT 32 to an NTFS partition will speed up booting and you certainly will not have as much Slack Space on the C Drive. To do this click on start then run and type in convert c: /fs:NTFS you will then be told that this operation can not be run at this point in time but do you wish to schedule it in the next reboot if you click the Yes Option the next reboot will run through the Scan Disk and then it will convert the File System over to NTFS.


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by Aaron A Baker In reply to

Hello Hal;
Thanks for the comeback. I was concerned that when I looked at the spaces in the Blue after a Defrag, what I was actually seeing was slack on the drive. I always went away feeling it hadn't done a proper job. I see I was mistaken. I guess the way would be to put Norton on but I'm not fond of the way it works so I'll just keep on going as I am and get used to the space.
I appreciate the help and advice, plus the tip.
Thanks Hal
Take Care

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by sgt_shultz In reply to Tight and clean Defrag

IMHO, this is possible but it is going to take somebody who *really* likes to have things in their proper order (tease). There is a great discussion of fragmentation and file system structure of fat32 and ntfs volumes at (makers of the famous Diskeeper defrag software-the one that microsoft finally licensed to put in with Windows)
anyhow. the others are basically right, total defrag is practically unattainable. you could do pretty good job by making new volume, formatting it, manually creating directories (folders) and then copying the files over. only a truly A-R person's idea of a picnic. you can get a lot more defragged also by moving files off the drive, defragging and moving them back. to do what you want, you really need to read the discussions on the executive software whitepapers...hope it helps...
ps i would try to get **** bout security and forget about the disk fragmentation beyond doing it regularly...

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by Aaron A Baker In reply to

Hello Sgt_Shult;
Thanks for the comeback. Although you're right,I do like things tidy " But I'm not that bad" hee ,especially on a hard drive, my real concern was that the spaces were in fact slack on the drive. I don't mind if they aren't all bunched up together, but being from the old school and having watched many defrags on Win98 and ME where you can see the defragging going on, here you barely see anything I was always left with the impression or Gut Feeling that the job hadn't been done properly. I see from the answers that I 'm getting that I was mistaken I'm glad to know this.
I thank you for taking the time to come back to me on this.
It's truly apreciated

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by TheChas In reply to Tight and clean Defrag

What the heck, I'll add in my 2 cents worth.

Unlike the days of DOS and utilities like PC Tools, you just don't have as much control over the defrag process as you used to.

That said, keep in mind that you really do NOT want all of your files packed up tight against each other.
If your files are all tight against each other, then the first time a file grows in size, it becomes fragmented.

A defrag utility that is truly intelligent would leave space around files with a history of changing size.

I have used several different defrag utilities with varied satisfaction.

For the type of result you are looking for, I suggest that you try Vopt from Golden Bow Systems.


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by Aaron A Baker In reply to

Hello Chaz;
Thank you for coming back to me. You bring up a couple of interesting points for whichI am grateful. You're right when you say that you want a little space for easier fuctionality. It's an aspect that I hadn't thought of. My real concern was that when I was seeing the white space in the Blue window, I might actually be looking at slack. I always came away with a gut feeling that it hadn't done a proper job of re-arranging the drive.Based on all the comebacks, I see I was mistaken.
Thank you for the address, I shall defenitely check this out and
Thank you for your help, it's much appreciated.

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