Todays discussions

But the rest are just questions that really should be in the Q & A Section and if you took the time to look most people have avoided answering any of these questions.

I think there where a few single answers that said to give a better description of the problem and then post it on the Q & A section as most likely the person asking would get a faster responce from someone in their time zone and not half way around the world.

Although 9 might just be an interesting discussion topic as it may prove useful to some here who have never set up a multi CD Recording platform.

But it would be short as the answer is pretty simple and there are only so many ways to skin a cat so after a few responces the question would be answered and other than some nit picking between peers there would not be much to carry on with.

Right at the moment 10 is still too far open to give any positive view on as the original post was just too vauge and the reply has yet to be answered with greater detail.

Item 3 looks like someone who wants a quick answer without expending any effort has been answered as well as it can because I really don't think that anyone will get actual circuit digrams of what a current M'Board is and only get a block drawing and picture of one.

That person also asked for Daughter Cards like Video cards and again this to me just seems like a lack of interest in even expending any effort in doing the most basic Google search which would take less than a few minutes to come up with the required answers.

Perhaps we just might have to start a "Political Discussion" to get the fur flying and forget about these silly questions which are posted in the discussion threads.

Now who wants to be first?

I'll start you off.

GWB is really nasty because...............

I've just had a look in the Network Neighbourhood and I've lost 5 computers off the network, what will I do?

I know I ask on the TR Discussion thread instead of actually looking to see why they have disapeared.

After all it will be much simpler to have everyone help me rather than go and look and find a plug has been pulled out of the socket removing all the power from those few computers.

Sorry but I couldn't help myself as I've just got back from an emergency call out where a computer was not working and after I went through all the obvious causes on the telephone I had to drive 50 K there just to plug the bloody thing back in the wall.

Now lets see a call out at 2.00 am for 3.5 hours is worth how much. Actually it was 3hours 25 minutes traveling and 5 minutes getting in the building and pluging the bloody thing back in so that should be worth a few Thousand Dollars shouldn't it?

Boy if only I could charge like that I could probably give up working by the end of the year and be away from these nerurotic women who are incapable of seeing that the power cord has been removed by a cleaner.

Anyway good luck OZ in you're complaint against TR but honestly I don't think it will get anywhere. Oh by the way did I have to put a "Sarcasum Alert" in that posting?

Col

That I can't see on my Windows network are all Linux units without Samba so that should cause some confusion if I don't tell anyone.

Shouldn't it?

As much as I'd like to, even I get tired of that circus.

I think we should just answer these questions in the discussion forum by taking them WAAAAAAY off topic, (bridging).

If someone says thay want info on a daughter board, just start with "Daighter board, one daughter I know that's CONSTANMTLY bored is my neighbour's. She spend the entire day waiting for somethiong to happen ...."

Or "Daughter board, talking of daughters ..."

They want a discussion, they'll get one. You want answers? GO GET THEM!

That's almost as anal as the original misposting but hey, you can't beat 'em, they won't try to address this at TR, may as well join 'em.

20-1-04 and I have to start doing some real work in under 3 hours so I'm off to get a bit of sleep after all even I need at least one night's sleep a month and tonights the night.

So Good Night and I'll see you all latter.

Col

by passwordchanged Jan 19, 2004

so what if people post tech q&a here???? why screw with their heads instead of JUST HELPING THEM! Geesus Pleezus, does every body who comes to this site have to abide by OZ's rules? READ WHAT IT SAYS: You can start a conversation about any subject. nuff said.

Good to hear you still exist, I think.

As for everyone playing by Oz's rules, I make no rules, I follow no rules.

This has been a topic raised by MANY over time here. It has been an ongoing peeve that has been raised NUMEROUS times yet still unresolved.

if you enjoy helping people in the Q&A section then moving to discuss something, only to find no discussions but a whole host of OTHER pc problems, then you are more than welcome to spend your time however to feel it is best spent.

When I get tired of helping in the Q&A section, I come to discussions for a change of pace, not more PC questions.

SOME people are very good at asking the right questions in the right forums, others simply skip the process and try to add questions to discussions. Sometimes this is a simple mistake, but I feel that mostly it is the lazy ones who feel posting to Q&A is too much effort.

Lately this has resulted in most people just asking test questions in teh discussion forum so they can SQUEAK by a cert.

I haven't actually run into you in the Q&A forum so I won't say you're inactive there anyway, but for those of us who try to divide time between helping people and talking to people, it's a major pain in the ass that could be ever so easily resolved.

I welcome your constant Oz bashing though, I was getting bored with agreement lately. Maybe next time you could find a relevant reason for disagreeing though.

by voldar Jan 19, 2004

you may be right, but I don't think so. Why? Because a "discussion" means to have (at least) two partners who "discuss" about subject.
As far as I saw, in the topics presented by OM, none of them contains at least this simple requirement. You will always have the one-who-ask (being to lazy to find out the answer with a simple google-search) and that's it.
You give him the solution (or not), you don't even know if it was the right one. Why? Because the "one-who-ask" never think to come back and say "- Thank you folks, I did that and it was perfect!" or "- Thank you folks, definitely you are not that smart as I thought, I did solved the problem by myself!".
In a discussion forum you expect that those who start a discussion, be at least be more active and post at least two posts, but ...
If they ask questions in the Q&A zone, there is no problem, I don't mind if they give me a sign or not, I don't care so much for points. I like to help people (at least as much as I can), but for the rest, it's up to them. Here, in Discussions, they should learn the difference between asking and talking.
And in the end, Discussions is something, Q&A is really another thing. At least, this is how I have the perception of this.

by lordinfidel Jan 20, 2004

There are some others like myself who have been here since TR first opened it's doors a couple of years ago.

And I have to tell you, while I respect other's rights to tout off on any old subject in the discussion area, that is not why I initially came here.

Back in the good ol' days, the discussion area was simply an area of techinical debates and discussions. Once in a while we would get a question, but it was not a simple straight forward question like you see now. But instead a "Hey, I'm doing something and would like some input".

Lately, everytime I come here is some new Political/religious Discussion or some other garbage, .

It's not just OZ's rules, it's a tech site, why can't it just stay a tech site instead of the crap that has been spewed onto it.

JMAO....

by asleep_at_the_wheel Jan 19, 2004

Your self annointed site moderator status exists only in your own mind. Get a life you loser.

by passwordchanged Jan 19, 2004

ozmidgetbrain it's a free site. if you were paying to be here you could whine all you want and no one would give two hoots. why dohn't you just SKIP the tech questions in the discussionsection if it's such a pain in jurassic park to read them. it is asinine to post screwy answers - maybe th eperson who posted the question really needs help and doesn't have time to finger out the screwed up techpoints system.

by jardinier Jan 19, 2004

I totally disagree that Oz is a "self annointed site moderator."

He is quite correct in saying that others have made the same complaint many times.

His high level of activity in the general discussion forums is challenging and interesting.

I suggest that it is perhaps yourself who is "Asleep_at_the_Wheel"

Don't sweat it Julian, I don't. I appreciate your support but there is always some dork who gets loud but hides his activity.

Everyone knows we use alias's here and that is respected (most of the time) but to hide your activity makes me feel that A) you HAVE no actvity, B) Your activity amounts to nothing.

These people are non-existant, they are like the microbes we wash from our ass in the shower each morning, just swirling around the tub until they are finally rinsed down the drain to be forgotten forever. Needs-A-Raise I expected it, the other newbie well.....need-I-say-it?

by guruofdos Jan 20, 2004

Classic case of 'shit on the liver'...

I'll back Oz (MentalCase OR Media!!) 100% on this one. I've had a few digs at me too when I've had the balls to tell people 'to their face' that they are posting in the WRONG DAMN PLACE!

You'll see me use words like 'weener' or 'newbie' and make digs about people but I can (usually) justify my remarks and often try to wrap them up in a mix of sarcasm and dubious wit.

Once or twice I have let rip, as I'm sure we all do at times, but I try to restrain myself as much as possible. Some people take offence when you tell them to 'piss off and go play catch with the cars on the motorway'.

Mind you, it's only a matter of time until some newbie file-sharing Kazaa-merchant ankle-biting weener REALLY f***s me off when I've had a bad day and then sparks will REALLY fly!

Personally I still think my idea of having a 'Newbies Forum' where new users can post to their hearts content is a good idea. Then, and only then, when they have participated in Q&A (earned their keep so to speak) and accrued a given number of Tech Points...they can be let loose to 'mix it' with the big boys and girls.

Just a thought!

I have often accused others of being self appointed moderators here only to be told there ARE no moderators and we need to moderate ourselves. Get with the program.

What I've seen here are two people who offer no information and offer no links to thier activity or input on TR.

As far as I'm concerned you have NO activity on TR and have offered NOTHING to help others, why would/should I have ANY concern towards your thoughts or ideas?

Now I know for a fact that needs-a-raise is quite active in the discussions threads, but you two seem too 'in tune' for me to buy anything else.

If you wish to hide, do so. Just don't hide and expect to be heard when you choose.

As for my complaint against improper postings, as someone who is quite active in the Q&A thread AND discussion threads each day, I feel justified in voicing my opinion.

You can voice yours too of course, but remember;

"WHO CARES what you think...Get a life you loser." - Asleep_at_the_wheel 01/19/04

If you had of thake the time to actually look in on any of the discussion lately there have been many about this subject and none of them where started by this person but some other highly respected members of TR.

So by putting OZ down you are in fact putting down some of you're fellow Americian Peers who think exactly the same way and have been quite vocal about it.

Perhaps if you stop the "Prosack" once every 2 days you might get a grip on what is going on here at TR instead of just pooking you're nose in when you're scripts have run out and you are out working to get the money for a repeat so you can remain "Brain Dead" from the self administered drugs that you obviously seem to enjoy.

But just to make you're day I'll quote you a direct bit of junk from some spam the I got yesterday Mr Asleep_at_the _Wheel make you're self a MAN with our supplied VIGRA! No prescriptions rerquired and very little waiting provided you are silly enough to send us you're Credit Card Details we will send you a sample box of 1 pill while cleaning out you're bank account for the privilage.

Now you can be insulted while you get robbed who said that the spammers didn't have a sence of humour?

by jardinier Jan 19, 2004

Why dont't YOU get yourself a life, you pea-brained little twerp, and post some useful information or comment in the discussion.

If you've got nothing contructive to say, then why not just pass your time playing with your teddy bear or train set?

Well IT says IT's gone. Let's see if IT was telling the truth.

It is upset that I wouldn't remember our "paths crossing" in the past (as if I'd remember a conversation with someone like that)and I assume we've had words and IT was/is upset. I suppose IT isn't quite as grown up as IT thinks. We'll never know I suppose, needs-a-raise/uhhhhhh..(have to recheck thread)GOT IT! asleep-at-the-wheel will always be a mystery he/she, IT/they we'll never know.

Oh well, that's nice I suppose, tip a can, talk to ya later.

Needs a Raise refers to something other than a pay increase.

Have you ever thought he might be behind the rapid growth in Vigra Sales?

That would just as easily explain his alias's and show just how accurate it is and how honest he is about his problems.

I've only seen him from time to time here so I wouldn't say he was one of the regulars but perhaps he has lost his lattest stash of his favourite drug and can no longer wave the "Red White and Blue" from his "Constantly Rock Hard Member" but if that is correct it only goes to show what happens when you overdose on that junk all you're brains drain away to you're dick or perhaps that is why he is such a "Dick Head" either way I'm amused by his ramblings.

However the pity is he doesn't seem to manage to say much that is the slighest bit constructive does he?

Col

Oh Colin, slow down man, he's just a kid. NO use getting yourslef in sh*t over it dude, I appreciate your comments and am still smiling but we gotta be PC here, it's the big public/miltinational kick that seems to be big in the USA now.

We had the same in Canada for about 8 years but it's mellowed now as being PC has become the latest joke due to the overkill. It got sooooo bad here, at one time people were scared to say woman or black without fear of repercussions.

For the meantime we need to sustain from the name calling (well done) and be big people while others get comfortable. I am the first one to go against the grain or to lash out but I'm TRYING to get better, or at least a little more patient with such ideas.

Cheers for the thumbs up though !

by hal 9000 Jan 20, 2004

It is just that he sounds very like an ex-polly from over here she was constantly complaining all the time while at the very same time being unable to offer any help.

People like that are my pet hate so I just can't help myself whenever I see people like them around. If he really wanted to be even the slighest bit constructive he would have attempted to answer the questions instead of slanging off in this area and others but of course he was unable to do anything in those areas as the questions where too vague or beyond his comprehension.

Any way what's Personal Computers {PC} got to do with anything?

Col

by oldefar Jan 19, 2004

Well, I am not sure shy this particular discussion belongs in the Network Administration section of the Discussions versus Miscellaneous, but then again using the proper topic so that those who use the Topic filter in Discussions is just a pet peeve of mine.

It seems most of the people who post technical questions in the discussion area use their email address as their name. Anyone peeved by the improper use of Discussions could send an email to them pointing them to the correct area. As often as it occurs lately, the email could be a standard response in one's email client and cut and paste would handle the addressing.

For those running in a Windows environment, a standard response could also be placed in Notepad and pasted to post a response to those who used an alias instead of their email. This would also work for those with an alias but who have a peer listing that allows contacts.

An advantage to a short private or short public response guiding the poster to the proper area is that it can serve as a welcome to join in the discussions in the future. There is no telling where the next pearl of wisdom might come from, but an initial public slam seems more likely to turn these individual away.

First, I generally do select the Misc. checkbox with a new post, I thought I had here also. But yes, I also use some specific forums and can see how a mispost would be annoying.

Perhaps, MISCELLANEOUS should be the default checkbox instead of NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR it would make quick posts easier. Gee, you could start a whole new topic on that, I know it' not your style though.

As for a message, yes that is a great idea. It has been tried for months by several people to no avail though. Unless it is added on the homepage, people will always be posting wrong as they will not be reading the messages in previous posts before asking thier question.

It is as simple as a few lines of text on the START a discussion page or moving the link below the Q&A link or even having a RESOURCES link that allows you to choose between asking a question or participating in the Discussions.

This is a Technical site, operated by far more technical people than myself and this shouldn't be such a major issue to resolve, it really isn't brain surgery and I'm actually surprised that it has dragged on for so long.

by oldefar Jan 19, 2004

Well, first and foremost it is an advertising medium. While I haven't checked the ZDnet annual report, I suspect that the bulk of the revenue is from the advertisers, with a small amount (cost recovery) on downloads and subscription services.

Typically, advertisers are paid on hits, and if posting Q&A in Discussions generates a lot of discussions, then for TR it is a revenue generator. Hmmm. Annoy the users and make money, or please the users and reduce revenue? What to do?

by oldefar Jan 19, 2004

Per your Peer listing, I would say 85% of the discussions you initiated were in the wrong topic. Of course, that just covers the last 7 you started and your overall average could very well be much better. :)

Average is about it, I' don't profess to be above average. In my heart I KNOW I'm better and that's what's helped me succeed in life, but I wouldn't say I'm perfect. I HAVE noticed the checkboxes and when I can I check the right one, call me a dumb user and cater to my needs. One with great knowledge would do better, but they are few and far between.

As for myself, perhaps I'm an example of how layout and navigation could improve.

Wish list:

1) Spell check (In TR not my browser)
2) Edit post
3) Move Discussions BELOW the Technical Q&A link
4) (This one's for YOU)Make the deault Discussion checkbox the Miscellaneous Discussions OR remove a DEFAULT check all together and just require the user to CHOOSE the best topic.

Closing a question on the Q&A section requires more clicks, pages and confirmations than registering for the site to begin with. Why make it hard to ask a legit question and easy to post incorrectly everywhere else?

Sorry Oldefar, I design sites based on two principles, ease of navigation and proper positioning in the browsers. This site is paid for and positioned by it's advertisement dollars. Yes it is a techniocal site, websites aren't free and advertising is locked throughout and not just annoying pop-ups,banners are not as obtrusive these days since all the popups, hijacks and SPAM have taken over. This site is a great resource that could be better, if the discussions were fixed, the same activity would be moved to the Q&A section and targeted marketing would be as effective there.

Just poor a layout, not a major offensive, but a major inconvenience to users, those that click the buttons and view the ads.

by hal 9000 Jan 20, 2004

On the news tonight they had an article on some US grandfathers who shed their cloths to rase money for some poor schools. I thought it was very comendiable that they would do such a thing and I was really impressed that they had raised far more money than they originally attempted to raise. Really Good Show Guys well done and hopefully it will continue to raise even more money for this desirving cause.

Now the punch line one of these 80 year old men was a sheep farmer so Oldefar I guess that blows you're idea of the Commonwealth attempting to overrun the good old USA with sheep doesn't it?

You could of course get a backlash from our Kiwi cousins for farming sheep meanwhile I'm in the process of organising a ship load of molested carniverous sheep to be sent to OZ in Canada just so they can all run ferral and overrun that country.

Who knows Canada might become the new Australia for a "Must Visit" place for all our Kiwi friends.

Col

by maecuff Jan 20, 2004

Very good insult. I applaud you, very crude, and yet makes the point.

I gues syou mean Colin's poke. He is a great laugh with a great sense of sarcastic retort.

If you can't get a kipper' on your side, an Aussie' is always fun.

I love Australia, what a gorgeous place, what laid back and cool people. A great place to enjoy a holiday!

by maecuff Jan 20, 2004

It was your microbe/shower/ass comment. Next time one of my employee's gets on my wrong side, I'm stealing it...

by Jay Garmon Jan 20, 2004

Actually, as part of the impending "Geek Central" we're building, we're working on a way of moving "off topic" discussions into the new Geek Zone. That way, those wanting to just chill out or spout off can do so in a designated area, separate from the "serious" IT discussions.

We're also working on some ideas for making Tech Points have some added value--no specifics yet, but I will say that our options get a lot broader once our new Shopping Cart and Merchandise Catalogue come online in the next few months. Once we get that squared area, there should be some real incentive for posting in the Tech Q&A, rather than just throwing out a discussion request.

If you guys have any suggestions to help us along here, please keep posting them!

-Jay

It's nice to get some feedback on ideas and know that they do get heard, even of not acted upon for whatever reasons, it still nice to know it is considered.

Look forward to seeing changes, and dno't worry, you'll get feedback. :-)

by maxwell edison Jan 20, 2004

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Why didn't you tell me that before I gave away several hundred thousand of them just for grins?

A penny saved is a penny earned?

They may only be pennies (not even that) but one day, Tech POints might actually appreciate in value, we'll see you on the Antiques Roadshow getting an evaluation on your tech point collection (hey I know THAT guy!), I had some points too, but i gave em all away :-(

JFF,
OM

by joseph moore Jan 20, 2004

I was going to post something really scarcastic about TR points having acutal, tangible value. But once I read through it, I realized that would not help the discussion in any form.

I want to just throw my support in for it. I am very happy that plans for change are being implemented.

I think that the community here will be more than happy to offer up suggestions.

by cactus pete Jan 21, 2004

...of which I suppose I am one now, will likely prevent you from being able to use your 'old' techpoints for anything once this new idea is implemented... I sincerely doubt I am the only user with as many points as I have, and since the whole thing is open to abuse [still], I'm not sure it's going to go anywhere, anyway.

by voldar Jan 21, 2004

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IP changes by its self
I use Windows 2000 pro SP4 on a Compaq N600c laptop wired to the network and also sometimes with a wireless card. I sometimes notice I can not get to the Internet so I check my IPCONFIG and find my laptop has reverted to DHCP. I lost my static IP address. Then I go back and install all the static IP settings and its fine. I sometimes have to reset them twice a day. What is causing the laptop to loose the static IP addresses? Thank you.

From: Beauvis_Boy Date: 01/21/2004 Status: Answered Points: 500

Comment from Beauvis_Boy on 01/21/04 :
I do have a reservation on our Win2k server. I went to check the reservation and it is still intack all except for the MAC address of my machine, entered into the settings for the reservation has been changed. I have no idea how it was changed, because only I have access to this server. I changed it back to my laptops MAC and all is ok. Now I am on a mission to find the bogus MAC address. Thanks for your help.

Comment from Beauvis_Boy on 01/21/04 :
This question was closed by the author

This question has been closed.
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Answer 1: voldar

To avoid any further problems like that, just create in the DHCP server a reservation for your laptop - with all IP data needed (DNS, IP, subnet, gateway etc.), and this is going to solve your problem.

voldar Date: 01/21/04 Status: Not Rated
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No comments - and I was not teasing you, but that's only what is going to happen with the points in TR if some day they will mean something.

Jay, recently I was invited into a private intellectual online discussion group. Invitees had to provide a picture and verifiable background data. This was usually via an email and occasionally a phone call to some industry references. I thought it would be a much more docile discussion focused on the topics.

Much to my surprise it was much worst than you could imagine. These PHD's, intellectuals, and other well established experts would become incredibly wicked if thier belief, theory, or otherwise postulate was even remotely challenged. Amazingly, as long as you played along in the dialogue supporting the conversation it was harmonious. But once one challenged anything or even appeared to discredit the dialogue track all hell broke loose. All would turn against the one who questions/challenges.

The only real value they had was that they knew who you were and they could permanently remove you.

My suggestion is that you maintain an open dialogue especially for the technology philosophical and visionary stuff that occassionally appears. However, you should seek different alliances. One with employer memberships so that IT staff can use your forum to solve real world IT issues. A second with individual memberships for consultants and self employed.

More importantly, I feel that the time is ripe for new approaches on the internet. We are coming into a new age having several down years. Tech Republic could offer a variety of Web Applications as a service. Such services may include whiteboards and (I actually have the term on the tip of my tongue but cannot for the life of me remember it. I'll post later) knowledge systems.

I think with some creative thought stronger support services can be developed. I'll comment later...

Despite the fact that you seem to have millions to allocate to free website development, one thing that caught my eye was your reference to the private intellectual online discussion group.
Where invitees had to provide a picture and verifiable background data.

The first time I heard you mention this great MENSA like group was when you were using it as an example of a preofessional forum vs Tech Relpublic's off discussion topics, as you stated how immature people at TR were in comparisson to your far more educated and professional forum.

The following information was cleverly excluded from your paradigm of your intelligent tech support site.

"Much to my surprise it was much worst than you could imagine. These PHD's, intellectuals, and other well established experts would become incredibly wicked if thier belief, theory, or otherwise postulate was even remotely challenged. Amazingly, as long as you played along in the dialogue supporting the conversation it was harmonious. But once one challenged anything or even appeared to discredit the dialogue track all hell broke loose. All would turn against the one who questions/challenges.

The only real value they had was that they knew who you were and they could permanently remove you."

No need to explain, it explains itself.

by wordworker Jan 20, 2004

I absolutely love the fact that I can come in and use TechPoints to bribe quick answers out of the likes out of people like DKlippert and get e-mail notices when my question gets answered. It's like Rentanexpert for free!

I also like seeing the variety of topics that go through the discussions section, even the technical ones. I

So here's what I think TR should do:

1) Bring in 10 or so good loyal customers like MrMiami and Ozmedia and JimHM and others (forgive me for not remembering all your names) on a conference call and go through ideas like:
* create a "post a question wizard" with choosing discussion or Q&A y/n first step, with some text onscreen splaining the difference twixt the two - as described in this and other threads on TR's UI.
* whatever else the gang of reg'lars comes up with!

2) Schedule the change to the discussion/question UI ASAP!

FWIW, as a former FTE and contributor to TR, I just love the fact that so many people are passionate about how it works, about how fellow members should behave. I hope TR takes your comments to heart.

I visit pretty much every day. Whenever an old piece is featured in one of the e-newsletters, I re-read it, always hoping to see a new comment or two.

by jardinier Jan 20, 2004

I guess you thought I was not up to your intellectual standard to be worth a posting in the "prayer request" discussion posted by John Wills while I was in hospital being treated for heart failure.

In fact there was not a single posting from any of the regular TR Bible thumpers. Then I suppose you all belong to some elite group too.

I recall that system as being cyberbolic knowledge systems. It is a point of relative presence in a body of knowledge or in the ladscape of knowledge.

by hal 9000 Jan 22, 2004

This is also part of the reason why I stopped attending these meetings as most of these people are not open to suggestions or questions on why they do things the way that they do. They always seem to fall back onto I've got a XXXXXX and I know what I'm talking about how dare you interupt me when I've already told you how to do things.

What makes it worse for me is that I fall into this catagory and I don't get along with most of my "Peers" in these meetings and I do not make a big deal of my paper qualifications and I am generally invited to these meetings because I own the business even then I describe myself as the Alledged Boss which not many understand.

However I did get a very good laugh one particuarly bad day when I said something and was imediatly told that whoever had whatever qualifications and how dare I interupt him when he was addressing the meeting even though he was talking through his arse and had no idea of what he was talking about.

I just reeled off my qualifactions from Uni and them my work history and asked him just why I should listen to him as he was underqualified in both education and work experience to even attempt to talk to me unless he was asking me how to do something and I was willing to offer assistance.

Well you could have heard a pin drop as there was a deadly silence all around the room and then someone agreed with what I had originally said and then some more. To me these people seem to want to act like sheep and as long as what one of them is saying doesn't interfere with anothers no one is prepared to rock the boat.

It is a fairly common act by these so called educated people as they are carving out a niche for themselves and provided it doesn't impact on any others they are left to their own devices. Because they generally have no real understanding of the real world as they are insulated from it at every oportinuty they remain harmless. It is only when they create things that are realeased into the work enviroment that they have a serrious adverse impact on most people. However this is not confined to the IT section but all disiplines.

Now if only I was prepared to wear a white lab coat and carry a clip board...

It may cost you some of those valuable tech points!

Actually if you were to say that to your employees, I'd LOVE to hear his/her reaction.

I know what I'd say if I had a boss that said that, we can't say those things here though.

And I didn't think it was THAT crude, but actually stepped around being crude, like Michael Flattely the Lord of the Dance.

by wordworker Jan 20, 2004

Sir, I saw your post, and I immediately said a prayer on your friend's behalf. Please don't discount the possibility that LOTS of other TR folks, Christians or anything else, didn't take a minute and do the same. You're upset, and understandably so. Please know you and yours will be in my prayers. -Jeff

I am just guessing here but I THINK Julian was referring to a post above yours from Mr.Miami.

You have ALWAYS showsn a form of professional understanding and acceptance of others here even if the discussion is argumentative, probably a good pointer or two for myself.

I don't think Julian was addressing you however I could be wrong, yet doubt it.

by wordworker Jan 21, 2004

Thanks Oz. It freaked me out because it appeared within minutes of my posting, so I thought I'd said or done something wrong. Sounds like Julian is okay though, so Praise the Lord and Pass the Potatoes!

All of us sinners must have hexed you with our prayers, little did we know! We are sinners! We are hatred of the Lord, we are the anti-Christ, or so I have been told as I refuse to accept a single theory but leave myself open to possibilities of eternity and existence and merely care about others.

We shouldn't be so hypocritical as to refuse to accept a single God yet pray for those we care about, how unholy and inhumane of us.
;-)
OM

Great to hear you chime in (lol, what's brown and sounds like a bell?) sorry you can edit that out (one day).

Anyhow,
"'Newbies Forum' where new users can post to their hearts content is a good idea."

My lord, what a BRILLIANT IDEA!!! It is absolutely ideal, as long as there was some restriction against "Grads" entering newbie discussions, otherwise it will just be the same old crap between both forums.

Q&A Should be open for "Grads" to help newbies but perhaps only read rights for newbies to enter "Grad" Q&A (this way it stays clean of garbags but they could still look for topics of education.

Lot sof potential to work out a really slick system there but somewhat of an extreme site rebuild. I'm not sure how extensive the new build will be but it definitely sounds like it will be addressed in the near future.

(Fingers crossed)

Cheers,
OM

A paragraph reads wrong.

"Q&A Should be open for "Grads" to help newbies but perhaps only read rights for newbies to enter "Grad" Q&A (this way it stays clean of garbags but they could still look for topics of education."

I don't mean "grads" (need a better word) would read the newbies their rights.

I see a tier system based on the standard office.

In order to play in the Supervisor's Coffee room (discussion forum) you'd need to have obtained "Certs" from your own level's Q&A group. X answers = 1 cert etc.
You would then be able to become, managers, regional managers, officers etc. All by obtaining certs.

Higher 'ral\nks' could enter the lower ranks to help with in their Labs (Q&A) but not their Coffe Rooms (Discussions)

Lower ranks could visit higher ranking Labs (Q&A) with read only rights for learning purposes, but not the Coffee Rooms (Discussions)until they have achieved the certification level.

The only question is, who's going to start drawing the graphics for my new video game/tech site. :-P

Too many years of game scripts!

I often go for days, weeks, or months sometimes without checking the site. I was unaware that you had a heart failure. I trust you are doing better now.

If it is a prayer you need I will provide.

by jardinier Jan 20, 2004

and my apologies for assuming you had bypassed the discussion. It was just the total absence of any posts from any known TR Christians, after so many sincere responses from those who don't advertise their religious affiliations, that I found rather hurtful.

actually a good site until people began discenting with each other then waned from the topic and the discussion digressed into a bitter hack attack.

I do believe I discussed that in my earlier posting too. Anyhow, I prefer an IT weenie over a liberal attorney any day. So there may be hope for you!