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    TR giveth; TR taketh

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    by santeewelding ·

    The outstanding job done posting latest comments first don’t work no more. Is this apparent to anyone else?

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    shortened title for purposes of poesy

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    • #2896744

      For me it disappeared as soon as Palmetto expressed doubt…

      by ansugisalas ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      apparently the functioning was psychosomatic, and uncertain of itself.

    • #2896723

      I’m looking at it right now.

      by seanferd ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      Ansu’s post at top: Just in. But it looks like they are poking around with the site design, because bits are displaying like crap (esp. preference boxes expanded) and the Just In is now in a thread-width lime-green bar.

      edit: LOL, it now has a Go To Comment function, but clicking it renders the comment on a page all by itself, now completely devoid of context. (Hard to get less context than before, but somehow this was managed.) But I assume this is still a work in progress.

      We’ll get to see if it is bad by design or bad because it is half-functional and in transition later. I still grant the benefit of the doubt. My ability to do that, however, is wearing quite thin.

      Personally, I hate the Just in feature. If you can click it and find the location of the post, that would be great. otherwise, it is pointless to me. I’m glad the other top rider is gone – most popular or whatever it was.

      edit again: I see Top Rated is now back in another thread. *sigh*. If you have fifty comments rated +2, and 2 is the highest rating in the thread, how is “top rated” determined? Not that it matters: How does it make any sense, and why would anyone care?

      • #2896719

        Interesting…

        by ansugisalas ·

        In reply to I’m looking at it right now.

        But not what was topical…
        For a while it was so that the discussions were ordered chronologically, with newest on top – when clicking the “sort by date” section.
        Now it’s back to sorting oldest first by default… which is dumb.
        Almost as dumb as the black bar.
        _Goddamnit, bottom line has been anonymized, as if it’s a suspect not yet proven guilty.
        I say with Welles: Bottom line is guilty as hell, show us its face!

        EDIT: Gah! Green?!? And now the title is a link again… and not the timestamp.

      • #2896713

        I can no longer

        by boxfiddler ·

        In reply to I’m looking at it right now.

        sort to get to the most recently modified. Lovely. NOT.

        • #2896712

          And each post

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to I can no longer

          I make lands me in no-man’s land as a lone post with no way back to the discussion but using the back button on the browser.

        • #2896569

          I’ve run into that too

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to And each post

          I found a link that takes you back, though…sort of: View entire thread.

          Edit: Although it doesn’t seem to be happening any more. At least it didn’t hapen with this post.

          2nd edit: I did have to add three more websites to my Noscript whitelist to get the pages to render correctly, though.

    • #2896715

      Face it.

      by boxfiddler ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      The ‘upgrade’ sucketh.

      • #2896705

        I’d vote up some of the comments, but this isn’t currently working

        by seanferd ·

        In reply to Face it.

        I’m hoping that this loading a whole new page thing for comment or reply is just a quirk of work in progress. If it is by design, it is beyond incredibly stupid.

        Either way, I’m not impressed by the supposed awesome new crew of “experts”, nor the supposed awesomeness of the new back end that supposedly makes changes easier. Not buying it one bit. Give us back the old forumware and Doug and company.

        This ongoing travesty is worse by far than the previously worst site tinkering. Nothing was ever this bad.

        I don’t like making these comments, but they are true. These clowns are full of themselves, including the mouthpiece.

        I’ve also noticed some of the best writers write less, or have seemingly disappeared. Too bad.

        edit: Did I forget to mention the complete jerks and morons this site now attracts more than ever, in greater numbers? I’d gladly trade them in for the regular handful of blowhards with no critical thinking skills we used to have. And now with more spam than ever!

        • #2896701

          Lookit!

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to I’d vote up some of the comments, but this isn’t currently working

          Now there’s a little up/down arrow set under an expanded post in a non-expanded thread. Not bad, frees up some real estate!

        • #2896652

          Okay, THAT I see.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Lookit!

          I haven’t been in Collapsed mode since early February, but this variation looks like it might be worth trying. Now if only a nice orange ‘***NEW***’ would appear beside items less than six hours old or so…

        • #2896609

          And what’s really nice about the Up / Down arrows

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Lookit!

          is that the Down arrow remains in relative position. If you click it, it remains under your cursor regardless of the length of the post. When you’re ready to move to the next post, you can click again without repositioning your cursor. Just keep clicking and the subsequent posts will continue to open.

          They’re also present beneath each expanded comment, but those adjust to stay positioned beneath the bottom margin of the comment. That means they don’t stay in the same place relative to the cursor. Still, it’s nice to see them on either side of the comment.

        • #2896598

          Yeah, I like it.

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to And what’s really nice about the Up / Down arrows

          I’ve had to use the collapsed mode since I otherwise get too much information at a time 😀
          So I like this change, and since the everything opens without reload, it’s working a lot better now.

        • #2896565

          Not So Much

          by dogknees ·

          In reply to Yeah, I like it.

          My preference is to see everything, oldest at the top fully expanded. I like reading through the thread from the start.

          Given that however, I also want to be able to easily see new posts in context and see if my posts have been replied to. Neither of these seems to be “easily” done in this interface.

        • #2896562

          Yeah, I can see that…

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to Not So Much

          I just have a lower capacity to handle parallel data feeds.
          I can only properly take in a few posts at a time, so that’s why I prefer the collapsed view.

        • #2896698

          Was just discussing

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to I’d vote up some of the comments, but this isn’t currently working

          the woeful lack of quality ’round these parts lately… We didn’t get to the jerks and morons. CBS doesn’t care about anything but unique clicks. Fuck them.. And whoever is riding their bandwagon.

        • #2896697

          Don’t you go be telling us

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to I’d vote up some of the comments, but this isn’t currently working

          That this is your last breath about the matter. The place needs mouth-to-mouth, such as yours.

          As for spam, to you I would award the very second Letter of Marque. To me, the first.

        • #2896692

          Dither…

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to Don’t you go be telling us

          I’ve an official certificate. 😐

        • #2896688

          Mouth to mouth

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to Don’t you go be telling us

          is actually boot to ass.

        • #2896584

          I *feel* that way.

          by seanferd ·

          In reply to Don’t you go be telling us

          As if I were the spammer. In certain respects.

        • #2896654

          New ‘Reply’ page?

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to I’d vote up some of the comments, but this isn’t currently working

          What are you and Boxy on about? I click ‘Reply’ and it does what it’s done for the last six months – expands a Subject and Comment box directly beneath the ‘Reply’ link, between the comment I’m replying to and the one beneath it.

          If restarting FF means winding up where you two are, I hope my UPS holds out when the power fails.

        • #2896583

          As you have described,

          by seanferd ·

          In reply to New ‘Reply’ page?

          so it is for me. Clicking the vote box loads me a 404 page as well.

          I guess I’ll check with other browsers, but I’m not avoiding my main just for TR. I hope everything stays functional for you.

      • #2896643

        yeah

        by jck ·

        In reply to Face it.

        Definitely not Firefox friendly.

    • #2896690

      I can post

      by hal 9000 ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      What’s happening to TR?

      OH I see another upgrade but at least this time no more screen real estate has disappeared.

      But maybe I speak too soon. 😀

      Col

    • #2896661

      now i’m agitated

      by purpleskys ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      i set my preferences already to open discussions and questions in “expanded view”…stop making me change it now every time i open a new one!!!!!!! It’s aggravating!

      I like a nice, clean, orderly website, not this nonscense drively type stuff my 7 yr old would create because it was “pretty”. I distaste flashy ads, ads that pop open at the top of my page making me have to close it and scroll back to where i want to friggin’ read, useless flippin’ toolbars at the bottom of my page that don’t do a damned thing near as i can figure (if i want to read that particular blog, i’ll see it when i go to the blogs tab), and the green friggin’ ribbon around the two top comments looks like something else my 7 yr old would thing was pretty. I’ll tell ya, if you’re looking to alienate the ole faithfuls, you’re doing a bang up job. Where’s my steeltoed shoes so i can kick the kid that thought “this is just what ppl need”.

      Once again, there’s my two cents worth that will be ignored by TPTB 🙁

      • #2896657

        The ghost of settings past…

        by Tammy.Cavadias ·

        In reply to now i’m agitated

        Hey Purple!

        What OS/Browser are you using that your settings aren’t sticking? (cookies are on? have to ask 😀 )

        -Tammy [_]3

        • #2896653

          Holy cow, a PTB!

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to The ghost of settings past…

          We are honored!

          Since you’re already down here in the gutter, maybe you can explain why we get subscribed to every discussion we post to, regardless of whether or not we check the ‘Alert me when comments are made’ box at the end of a discussion, regardless of whether we’ve disabled auto subscribing in ‘Preferences / Community’.

        • #2896644

          Perhaps I can help you here Pally

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Holy cow, a PTB!

          Go into Community Preferences and unpick the box beside Automatically notify me about discussions that I participate in. Well it’s something like that.

          If it’s actually working I think you’ll find that it stops subscribing you to every thread you make a post to. 😉

          Col

        • #2896641

          Tried that weekly for the last month.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Perhaps I can help you here Pally

          It doesn’t make any difference. If it actually worked it would do that. The problem is it doesn’t actually work. It’s unchecked now but I’m still getting Alerts added for every single freakin’ Discussion or Question I post to.

        • #2896639

          Se it shows you just how much they LOVE you

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Tried that weekly for the last month.

          If you post to a Discussion you by definition want to know what else happens. :^0

          Col

        • #2896613

          7 Levels?

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Se it shows you just how much they LOVE you

          Test, test, test.

          I’ve tried this once, but it didn’t appear after reloading the page.

          Edit – okay it worked this time. Have we been able to go down seven levels since the overhaul? Have I just missed it, or is it new / returned? Is it only at the Water Cooler, or can we go that deep over in the regular Discussions?

        • #2896571

          We never had 7 levels that I can remember

          by av . ·

          In reply to Se it shows you just how much they LOVE you

          I think TR used to have something like 4 levels back in the olden days. Maybe that means they will finally get rid of the “take offline to the water cooler” thing which is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen. All you end up with in the water cooler are random posts that don’t mean anything because it doesn’t reference the originating thread.

          I would think the 7 level change is sitewide, though I haven’t tried it out yet.

          AV

        • #2896564

          No

          by dogknees ·

          In reply to Se it shows you just how much they LOVE you

          I want to know about replies to my posts first and foremost. How do I subscribe so I get this information?

        • #2896555

          AV, we had seven under the old format.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Se it shows you just how much they LOVE you

          Since January we’ve been limited to (four?).

          ‘Take Offline’ falls into the category of ‘It seemed like a good idea at the time’. It’s one of those things that looked good on the drawing board but proved ineffective (at best) when implemented. Nobody uses it except vulpine.

        • #2896570

          I get that too {NT}

          by av . ·

          In reply to Tried that weekly for the last month.

          AV

        • #2891452

          Already cleared…

          by Tammy.Cavadias ·

          In reply to Tried that weekly for the last month.

          cache/cookies and reset them?

          OS/Browser? Car you drive? 😉

          -Tammy [_]3

          PS: Since the overhaul, we went from 7 levels to 3, now back to 7 levels again

        • #2891451

          Cleared cache;

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Already cleared…

          Deleted all CBS and TR cookies. Let’s see what that does.

        • #2891450

          Works for me

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to Already cleared…

          Barge in. Take names. Kick ass.

        • #2896650

          details

          by purpleskys ·

          In reply to The ghost of settings past…

          os Win7 64bit IE and cookies are always on…i’m running the same way i’ve been running for years. I’m a M$ girl, please don’t ask me to change browsers as I have no desire to do so. And I really don’t see how any of that has anything to do with the bells and whistles on the TR site.

          And to make it better, I run ccleaner regularly, clear history and whatnot, defrag and reboot…sooo…

          Oh, i should mention, the same thing happens on my work pc…also win7 ie and this one dumps everything the minute i close by browser.

        • #2896599

          Trust me…don’t switch to Firefox

          by jck ·

          In reply to details

          I’m having issues too.

        • #2896594

          no worries there

          by purpleskys ·

          In reply to Trust me…don’t switch to Firefox

          if i were ever to switch, it would likely be to Chrome….i messed with it a bit back in the beginning, but went back to IE; i’ve heard they’ve made some changes to Chrome since though

        • #2896572

          I use Chrome when IE stops working on TR

          by av . ·

          In reply to no worries there

          It always works, unlike IE. I have no issues with Chrome on TR. I use IE for most everything else, but when I have problems with sites, I always use Chrome instead.

          AV

        • #2896563

          Chromium seems to work OK right now.

          by seanferd ·

          In reply to no worries there

          I’m using an older version, but it isn’t Chrome. For Windows, SRWare Iron is nice, it doesn’t have all the Goolge baggage.

        • #2896547

          I fixed my firefox issue …

          by louietr … ·

          In reply to Trust me…don’t switch to Firefox

          by updating my noscript addon whitelist – looks like they changed the domains of their styling and scripting files.

        • #2896541

          I was thinking

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to I fixed my firefox issue …

          it probably had something to do with that. Whatever changes they made affected my ability to vote on posts, and sort discussions/questions.

        • #2891453

          Cookies getting dumped….

          by Tammy.Cavadias ·

          In reply to details

          .. as well? If so, is it possible to change that? Them cookies are holding onto your settings (as has been explained to me)

          -Tammy [_]3

      • #2896588

        It’s not ignored

        by jasonhiner ·

        In reply to now i’m agitated

        This thread is being followed.

        • #2896574

          followed yes

          by purpleskys ·

          In reply to It’s not ignored

          i just wonder if anyone actually “hears” us

        • #2896500

          How about a feature article?

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to It’s not ignored

          It’d be fun to read about handling all the wrinkles unique to updating a site like TR, after all, it’s an IT project of huge proportions, and I guess it touches on just about every topic relevant to IT…
          I understand if you want to wait until the last of the wrinkles are actually handled, but remember to document the process!

    • #2896646

      Tree branches!

      by charliespencer ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      How long have there been ‘tree branch’ lines connecting the posts? They’re there in both Expanded and Collapsed modes, and it sure makes it easier to follow the nesting.

      • #2896636

        Dunno.

        by boxfiddler ·

        In reply to Tree branches!

        Didn’t notice them until you said something, and I leaned closer to my monitor to see if I could see what you’re talking about…

      • #2896633

        they’re brand new

        by purpleskys ·

        In reply to Tree branches!

        near as i can tell. they weren’t here yesterday nor this morning when i first logged on…

        • #2896580

          Purple

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to they’re brand new

          I’ve seen the branches for a few days now.

          I’m using IE8 on XP mostly and occasionally IE9 on 7 64 Bit but I see these in FF, Chrome and Safari when I have to switch browsers to post.

          For the last 5 days I’ve been able to post with IE though without any issues. Prior to that I used to just see the Reply Link Expand and then remain blank most of the time. You could try highlighting it and then scroll it off the page and sometimes that would bring up the Post Box. Not often mind you but often enough to make you try it before opening another browser. 😉

          Col

      • #2896582

        Yes, those are very nice.

        by seanferd ·

        In reply to Tree branches!

        A definite improvement. I was a little weirder the when they were sort of half-working – at least that’s what it looked like to me, in retrospect.

    • #2896566

      I like this change

      by av . ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      If you are in collapsed view and you click on a post, it shows you the post without changing your position in the thread. The up and down arrows can take you up and down through every post in the thread, without losing your place. Thats a good change, because in the past, you would just lose your place if you clicked on a link.

      The collapsed view is definitely easier to navigate.

      AV

      edit: added “in the past”

    • #2896510

      Site fixes

      by golampo ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      I’m a developer w/ the site, and we have just pushed out several fixes in response to some of the bugs reported in this thread. We’ve worked hard on the new features, which are an attempt to provide a more usable discussion experience. I still see a few areas where we can make big improvements, but we are getting there. We’ve added the dynamic navigation element (arrows, auto-scrolling, keyboard commands, etc) to the expanded thread, as well as collapsed. If you don’t like using the navigation, you can just ignore it and use the expanded view. The navigation will skip over items that are below your vote threshold.

      Tip: Try navigating via the right and left arrows on your keyboard.

      Fixes:

      – Clicking ‘Go to comment’ on featured messages now takes you to the proper context in the thread. This also goes for the My Disucssion area. I did notice this still needs to be fixed on Contacts tab on the discussion door (will get that fix our shortly).

      – Alert on reply was stuck in an “on” position. Check box should now always pull from your Community preferences. Sorry about that 😉

      – Auto scrolling not correctly calculating on first comment

      – Styling fixes (few more to come)

      Please continue to let us know about any problems you find. Thanks for your help.

      • #2896509

        Keyboard shortcuts!!

        by louietr … ·

        In reply to Site fixes

        That is awesome … well done!

      • #2896499

        Hello golampo, nice to meet you!

        by ansugisalas ·

        In reply to Site fixes

        Don’t mind if we users are chomping at the bit – it’s mostly from not knowing what’s happening, so it’s really nice to hear from the developer side!!!
        Your work is appreciated, and now it seems like things are really shaping up!
        Great work!

      • #2896463

        "Alert on reply was stuck in an "on" position."

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to Site fixes

        “Tip: Try navigating via the right and left arrows on your keyboard.”

        Omigawd.

        “Alert on reply was stuck in an “on” position. Check box should now always pull from your Community preferences.”

        Thanks! I would have been satisfied just having the problem acknowledged. The silence from the PTBs and the constant misdiagnosis from the ‘Site Help and Feedback’ was at least as frustrating as the problem itself. Now I can clean up my Alerts and know that I’m not wasting my time. (It would be nice if the Alerts page had the same checkboxes as the Newsletters page, so that multiple Alerts could be unsubscribed in one operation instead of one at at time.)

    • #2896498

      This is an interesting glitch…

      by ansugisalas ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-347450?p=2&messageId=3489894
      See if it displays wrong in your browsers too.
      What I get is that when I scroll down, the black bar (sound of cursing) is stuck about 1/3rd of the way, and after that the thread continues. However, after the bar nothing is clickable, the page display buttons at the end ([1] [2] [3]) aren’t working either.

    • #2896489

      same here

      by purpleskys ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      on IE9 64bit

    • #2888858

      Anyone noticed

      by hal 9000 ·

      In reply to TR giveth; TR taketh

      That some time through the day around midnight TR Mothership Time that the TR Discussion & Question pages revert back to postings that are quite some time old?

      Then when you go to the [b]View More[/b] the postings there are all over the place according to the date that they where posted?

      On the Question side of the Forum the shown questions are again old and when you click on the [b]View More[/b] there are no questions.

      It’s beginning to drive me nuts as all of the existing Questions/Discussions from that day just disappear and are unfindable again unless you know exactly what they where headed where you can Google them.

      Col

      • #2888856

        How many lines of code do you think it takes to achieve something like that

        by ansugisalas ·

        In reply to Anyone noticed

        So seemingly random and inexplicable

        Could be hard to fix for that same reason 🙁

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