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I am trying to install XP on a Maxtor SATA HD. The HD already has XP on it but need to format the HD and install it again.

When the part of the installation comes up asking if you want to install XP press enter, or repair xp press r. I press enter and I get a message saying that setup did not find a hard drive on the system.

I have tried 3 different XP installation CD's. (2 for new distribution and one new full installation cd).

The system has an external HD however i disconnected it from the PC before doing the installation.

BIOS has the internal HD settings correct.
Boot sequence is CD/DVD ROM first,
Maxtor HD second,
Floppy drive third.

I connected the External Seagate HD to the computer just for hahas and ran XP installation, i pressed enter on the setup screen to install xp, it went to the next screen where you choose what drive and all. however, there was only one drive and it was the external hd but it was labeled as the c: drive. of course i do not want to do anything to the external hd since it has backups of the internal hard drive.

Does anyone have any clue as to why XP does not see the internal hard drive?

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by langlier

When setup is loading you need to load the sata drivers for your card/motherboard (press F6 when prompted). Those should either come with the machine or be available online.

by answerman

You are correct my friend, it's a driver issue regarding the SATA drive, OR it's an old motherboard or a BIOS that is unable to be flashed or updated.

A brief aside to all my tech brothers:

With EVERYTHING being a virus to MS, and with EVERYTHING needing "admin" right in Vista, can you imagine how many times this is going to happen then? EEEEEEEEEEEEK !!

by pobstar19

If your Mother Board comes with two sets of SATA connections you will have to know which one is the right controller to the one that your HDD SATA is connected to. Even if your Mobo have only one set of SATA connectors, has mentioned above in this post, you will have to put the correct Controller driver on a floppy disk (you can download it from your Mother Board website) and when the XP installation start you press the F6 key when request. This will bring somewhere in the process the XP installation window to ask you to select the requested controller driver on your floppy drive.

If you don?t have a Raid setup it is important that you choose the correct controller driver for a single boot HDD. XP installation will recognize your SATA HDD and will make the correct format type that it is needed. Always format in an NTSF structure the HDD when using an XP operating system.

Also, when starting your PC to install XP go to the Bios setup utility where you will have also to configure the Onboard Devices Configuration for the IDE operate mode for SATA. Also be sure that the Raid controller is set on Disabled if you don?t use a Raid HDD?s configuration.

I had, few months ago, a similar problem issue when installing a HotSwap eSATA and I download the Mother Board Manual in .PDF file from the Mother Board website to figure out some answer. If you have an OEM Branded PC you will probably find some info?s on the manufacturer website concerning the Mother Board that is embedded on your PC.

by jazzmans2

This can also happen if your SATA is set to RAID mode in the bios. (you would still need to load the drivers) Check the bios to see if you can shut it off.

by derrald521

You didn't identify the manufacturer of the system or mobo, but, there is probably an easy solution. First, check to see if you have a BIOS update available from the mobo or computer manufacturer. Then try again after doing the update. If there is no BIOS update available, or if the update does not change the behavior when you do the installation, go into the BIOS, and change the SATA settings, first trying the ATA/PATA simulation. You might have to try more than one setting until you find the one that enables the installation program to recognize the drive. This is a common situation with Dell Dimension 8400 series of systems from 2-3 years ago. Once the OS is installed, you simply go back into the BIOS and reset it to the preferred mode of operation. I have had to use this procedure more than once, and it has always worked, including when restoring a system from a Ghost backup image.
Adding more info since first posted at 1:20 AM: Several posts are on the right track. The XP installation disk does not have serial ATA drivers, so it does not see the serial ATA drive. So, if you temporarily reset the computer's BIOS to redirect the Serial ATA channel over to the IDE channel, the XP installation CD can see the serial ATA hard drives. Then, after completing the XP installation, while in Windows you can install the standard Intel Serial ATA driver or whichever serial ATA driver has been supplied by the manufacturer of your motherboard/system. Then, reboot and enter
the BIOS and reset it back to the original setting. It is possible that for your own system, you might need to reverse the last two steps to get a boot. Incidentally, the F6 driver option often does not work, especially if your system has no floppy drive since XP looks for the extra driver only on drive "A."
Added Jun 22 9:55 PM
I'm surprised at some of the postings. Some are way off target and others are definitely on target. Look at all the ones related to BIOS settings and whether or not you have a floppy drive that enables you to use the F6 driver addition. Put the info above and the others related to the BIOS issues and you will have an answer. The brand of the hard drive is not relevant.

by tusixoh

Changing the automatic SATA setting in the BIOS is how I got around this exact problem when attempting to install Windows XP on an HP Pavilion DV6000 series that was pre-loaded with Vista.

by derrald521

Thanks for the endorsement! Some of the posts have been downright laughable. It's hard to know whether they are just pulling your leg or whether they are really serious. This is a well-known issue and its solution is not difficult, although there are variations along this BIOS-related line, based on the motherboard and specific BIOS embedded in it.

by manonyght

Is it possible that you need to load drivers for the controller of your SATA HD? Is the controller a RAID controller? If the controller is RAID you will have to re-load the drivers at the beginning of the installation when you are asked if you have drivers to load. Just consider your re-installation as a "first time" installation, at least till you get to the point of XP recognizing that you already have an XP installation on the drive. Then you can do a repair of that installation, to salvage whatever data you wish to retain. The repair will work better if you are using the same disc the origional installation was done with or at least, the same type of Win XP. If you have Win XP "Home" installed on your HD make sure you use a Win XP "Home" disc to do the repair.

by merlin the wiz

I have had aimilar problems with XP. It has been my experience that Windows XP does not use the dame process when it is installed on a hard drive as other (earlier versions of Windows. IF you already had Wincows Xp installed on the drive, it has been my experience that the only way to get re-install Windows XP is to use an NSA compatible drive wiping tool to remove everything on the drive before attempting to re-install Windows XP. Windows XP does not necessarily OVERWRITE the existing data on a hard drive that slready has Windows XP installed. Earlier versions of Windows appeared to just write over any data on the drive, If you Google for UBCD releade 3.3, and burn a CD, there are two disk wipe programs that will erase SATA drives. I have not tried anything later than UBCD 3.3. It will take about an hour per 100 G to completely erase the drive. Fdisking the drive has not worked for me in the past.

by cap/

6 months ago i had the same problem, i tried installing xp on a maxtor 250g sata hd.
I had to install xp on a different hd to get things running.
Once that was done, i checked Disk Management on xp and found that the maxtor was recognized as an dynamic drive.
So i had to get myself another hd from another manufacturer, i choose a western digital 250g sata then.
I got my system installed on the WD and all went well, the maxtor now runs as a data disk.

by janblignaut

Check with the supplier of your motherboard. I had to slow down the Maxtor harddrive with the jumper settings on the harddrive. I have an older Asus motherboard. The SATA drive was not detected untill I slowed it down by changing the jumper settings.You may also need a stiffy with the SATA drivers for you motherboards chipset and load it when Windows XP install asks you if you want to install SATA driver at the beginning of the installation process. You press F6 if I remember correctly.

by randyc-ics

You may need to use 'fdisk' to destroy all partitions and start completely from scratch with a new Partion. Just go into fdisk and delete all partitions including non-dos partions. NTFS Partitions will be listed as "Non-DOS". Also the ideas about the SATA drivers needing to be loaded at the start of the installation are really good things to try, if fact, it's most likely the cuase of the problem.

by cjc5447

The problem is a driver issue. If it was just a partition problem, XP would still see the drive.

by jimdeese

maybe you need to use the setup disk that came with the hard drive to set it up

by sante.fe.reflections

We bought a Seagate SATA drive recently; first one for us. It didn't come with a "setup" disk, like IDE drives do. So we used Ubuntu run from its CD and had the SATA formatted for NTFS in a flash. Voila. Windows saw it immediately.

by kadosh

You have the BIOS settings correctly applied, I had the same problem with an A8N-SLI Deluxe, and I found that for some reason, my boot priority changed randomly, so you better check it.

by aandruli

Had this happen a number of times with drives that either have corrupted partition tables or a Linux partition. Putting a FAT32 partition on the drives solves this particular issue -- although it could be a number of different things.

by lancelot1162

If you are using XP 'Home', or 'Pro' 32-bit, it won't work. You need 64-bit versions to recognize SATA drives. The 32s don't contain the necessary drivers for the SATA platform. I ran into the same issue after a total crash & restoration. Started out w\ 'Home'; result: "Device not found". Then tried 'Pro' w\ the same result. Even the restoration discs that came with the PC didn't have the drivers(Media Center). Used 'XP Pro 64x', & installed w/o a hitch. Then installed 'Media'. What I ended up w\ was 'XP Pro 64x w\ Media Center'. PC is working better than new! Also, the Maxtor brand, I personally don't recommend. When building a PC, I use only WD Caviar drives, or Seagate drives. If I had to use a 3rd option, then it is Hitachi. Good Luck

by methatswho

I work for a School District that has over 3000 computers in use. All of the newer units have SATA and they are not 64-bit. We do not have any problems installing whatever OS we want.

by johnny.burgos6

There is only 2 ways I now of to install XP Pro on a SATA drive.
1. When asked for the drivers press F6 to install using a floppy drive or cd which another person suggested.
2. Go to the bios and either disable the feature or switch it to normal. Some bios maybe different than others. The second has worked for me always when using HP computers to create a new image.

by michael.tindall1

If you have an older BIOS, and your hard drive is over 137 Gb (SATA or not), you need a BIOS flash to get 48 bit-LBA, so that your system can properly address the space.

When this is happening, it gives WEIRD problems...the drive set up may see the drive, and even seem to setup correctly, but it simply WON'T WORK, or XP setup will get to the very end and fail.

If you do a bios flash, BEFORE YOU START, MAKE CERTAIN it is the CORRECT one, and that the flash in question is made either to "enable 48 bit LBA" or "exceed 137 Gb". The wrong BIOS flash can/will effectively destroy your hardware!

by tpgorman

Many times I have come accross similar problems.
Try this:from the c:/ prompt type
c:/fdisk (go and remove all partitions)
then: c:/fdisk MBR
This removes the Master Boot Record.
XP will then consider this a clean hard drive and you can set it up.
Hope this helps.
Tom

by vabonat

Hi! I've had close situation. IMO the problem is that WinXP can't recognize real SATA HDD at install time. SATA HDD should be set at BIOS to act as "Primary IDE". Check your motherboard BIOS for such settings. Have in mind that SATA-as-IDE overwrites the real IDE0 HDD. This means that if you already have real IDE HDD connected-it will be unreachable until moved to another free IDE port. Hope this helps you.

by rajesh0410

hi
i think you are installing xp in desktop machine i think, if yes then do one thing check the motherboard goto that site or check which chipset of your mother board and download sata (raid controler)drivers you can type in google.com you will get easily,download drivers save in floppy. when you start xp setup keep pressing F6 upto 30 secens when you see press F6 to install aditional drivers, after that you leave F6 after that you will do same instalation procesure at certain point it will ask u to install scsci drivers to install press S then immidiatly it will ask u to enter floppy, please insert the floppy which u have drivers then it will take the drivers then you can install windows

by melvinsam

Hi There,

i Went through Your post, The Issue Does Have a Solution. A Setting Sholud Be changed from the BIOS.Thats all
For that:
1. i would require the computer manufacturer name that you are using, Whether its (HP,DELL,Toshioba...etc)
why I require the name is,Different manufacturers use different keys to enter the BIOS Setup.

Either try to figure out the key to enter the BIOS setup [ you can find the key to enter BIOS setup while the computer
boots-up ]

Or

Tell Me Whats The |Computer Manufacturer's Name].

Note: Press F6 to enter BIOS Setup (Hp PC's)

2. Then the next step is Disable SATA HardDisk option from the configuration menu (HP PC's)

Note:-this option is for HP Computers

Save And Exit.

3. Change The Boot Order - Boot From CD

Go Ahead.. The Installation will Start normally.

If Any Problem Occurs Still, Feel Free To Get Back. Solutions Will Be Provided Accordingly.

Good Luck. Farewell.

by macmann239

I just install 2 sata drives and although the boot up and bios seen the 2 drives windows refused to acknowledge the 2nd drive ,so I went to my computer,right click it then click on manange and then go down the menu til u find disk management and click on that then assign the hard drive a letter now it recognizes my 2nd harddrive,as yet I havent recieved a satisifactory answer as to why it wouldnt cept every one saying cause its a sata drive??!!

by sante.fe.reflections

XP was introduced to the masses in October 2001. SATA drives didn't enter the arena until a couple years AFTER XP was released. Thus the forward-thinking Microsnot didn't include SATA configuring components in XP.

Don't know if I can post links to other sites here so just google "slipstream your XP installation", and you'll find a wash-and-rinse solution for XP and SATA drives at MaximumPC.

:}

by dragononedon

If this is the first time setting up SATA on your computer. Check your connections. Undo them and reconnect, while disconnected make sure that none of the pins are damaged (scarred, marred, or scratched).
Make sure that they?re put back in the correct way, and that your power supply is plugged in all the way.

by mongome

I have a Maxtor 10 250 GB Sata2 drive. When I first installed XP it wouldn't recognize the drive but that was until I figured out the cheap SATA cables weren't connected all the way in. (and secured). After another attempt at an install I realized I may need the drivers - but lo and behold, my Asus motherboard with Nvidia nforce4 chipset and SI 3114 softraid was just the right combination that SP2 had the drivers built in - no SCSI / F6 loading needed. That being said, I have also found that although my combination is recognized by SP2, there is also a little glitch and ANY hiberation/sleep or long period of inactivity and my SATA goes bye-bye and only a hard boot will get it back (along with my system). Well, at least Windows SP2 does recognize it and installed...

by chris

I ran into this when I built my system with a SATA RAID Array. The Win XP setup does not recognize the SATA Controller. You need to use another system to make a driver disk for you SATA Controller. The catch with this is that a floppy is the only drive that will work for this. After making the driver disk you need a floppy drive in your system. Then boot from the Windows XP CD. Watch the boot up looking for the "Hit F6 to Load SCSI or RAID drivers." on the bottom of the screen. Then Hit F6 and it will ask for the floppy you made earlier. Insert the disk and hit enter. Windows will load the driver from the disk with all the included drivers then you can finish the setup as usual because with the driver you supplied Windows setup can see the controller and through the controller it can see your drive or drives. Please Note that these instructions are for a system that only has SATA Drives in it at the time of The Windows install. If you have a IDE Drive installed when you install windows, windows setup will put just enough of the boot sequence on the IDE drive to see the Controller and the rest on the SATA drive. This would mean that both drives would be required to boot the system. If installed with just SATA drives it forces the system to use the Bios to see the Controller, Something Windows XP won't do if you give it the choice by leaving an IDE drive in the system. If you wish to use both drive types with SATA as the boot drive do not install the IDE drive or drives untill windows is installed and bootable.

by awdsin

You Have to Enable Sata Support in the BIOS.

You have to Enable the SATA Support in the Mother Board ......

(awdsin)

by donaldcoe

Trying to under why a problem exists with installing XP onto any brand of SATA Hard Disk Drive, and after reading many of the these responses it is clear that many a installation process lacks sufficient research on any of today?s hard drives whether SATA or PATA (formerly IDE).

The major problems that effects everyone is the BIOS of YOUR MOTHERBOARD's (MB), many MB?s do not support 48bit LBA mode options that allows accurate drive recognitions higher than 137Gb, and can not be FLASHED to get it. If they were, NO One would buy a replacement board. I am a cheap man that does a lot of research. In the old days Cylinders ? Heads and Sectors (CHS) rained supreme, but NO MORE. Minimal SATA drives start at 160Gb and go upwards in size from there. Every brand of manufacturer normally do not have to supply a driver?s CD with their drives. (P.S. the diskette days are OVER). Go to any store online or storefront to buy a hard drive, the drives are normally sold without a box or book or a CD, because the drive setup label contains all the available info needed to properly configured a drive. All new drives are ALWAYS shipped ?Jumpered AS Master? or ?Cable Select?. but there a many willing to spend an extra $15 plus dollars for the box and cellophane that gets throne away any way.

Also All New Motherboards are primarily designed to support SATA drives and additionally offer at least 1 IDE (PATA) controller for 2 drives.
Nowadays 300Gb HDD is almost cheaper than a 80 or 120Gb, it is human nature that we jump for the most bang for the buck and then find that our system just will not recognize the FULL Banana. We want to blame the mfg but it our fault for not researching and reading the fine print of the motherboard manual.

Another suggestion is to invest into the purchase of a Partition Creation application there are many excellent apps that offer BOOT CD?s that will boot to the HDD to allow partition creation and fast format implementation thus giving YOU the M O S T possible capacity from that DRIVE. My favorites are Partition Magic (formerly PowerQuest) now Symantec and Partition Commander.

Stop Blaming Selective Manufacturing Brands, it is an equal playing field

by fadbel

Hey, Sarge, go back to your "Stalag".
I posted the fix. It just needs the SATA driver floppy inserted during the XP install.

by fadbel

The solution is, when you are doing the install, one of the messages that comes up is something like "Press F6 to install...". That's when you insert the MAXTOR (or maybe even the Western Digital drivers will work) SATA driver floppy in and the SATA drives are now RECOGNIZED. I'm running XP Pro SP2 with 2 WD SATA drives. Pop out to Maxtor and look for the driver.

by prisms_inverted

normally if the mother-board has couple of built-in SATA ports for the hard drives, then you usually donot need to use the F^ option. as the "UATA" drivers in XP takes good care of your SATA needs. "U" in UATA stands for universal, meaning fit for all.

in your BIOS the sequence should (according to my knowledge)be
1. Floppy Drive.
2. CD drive.
3. Hard-Drive.

i did many times lost my seagate SATA hard-drive 160-GB.

why and when ?

when it needed cleaning.

so if you bought a used hard-drive, even if it looks almost new, then have it cleaned out.

usually the elctronics circuit-plate needs to be removed and the contacts under-neath needs to be washed and cleaned "professionaly"

also, in some of the hard-drives, there is a multi-pin contact type "spring-loaded, top-loaded type connector, that is used to make electronic-signal connection between the inside of the hard-disk and the external electronic circuit plate.

i when was cleaning this specific multi-pin socket type of contact, had to squeeze out alcohol-swabs (avilable from your pharmacy) and then using a transparent small plastic foot-ruler had to keep on pressing and releasing the pressure of transparent flat plastic foot-ruler several times to make possible for the alcohol to seep thru the spring loaded contacts and clean the under-neath to make possible for the electronic signals to be transfered from circuit plate to the inside of the hard-drive.

why such a mess ?

i could have lost everything on it, if i wouldn't have been able to clean the hard-drive myself.

if you cannot do it by your own-self, then ask some professional for help.

this was the only reason why my intel mother-board started to miss-out the hard-drive.

another reason.

low-wattage power-supply unit that runs your machine.

i was having several problems including the hard-drives getting non-workable every-other day. until i installed a new DELL 400 watts power-supply rather than the original 250 watts as showing up to be 300 watts.

the effect of the more power is now seen as reduced temperatures at different points on the machine as well as with-out a hardware fault since the day i changed the power-supply box.

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by hypotinoose

Why do you need to turn off SATA to get a SATA drive to work?

by fadbel

I was curious as to the endorsement as I hadn't read your contribution. My only two comments were to the guy with the problem and the one that said "throw money at it"! :)
I congratulate you on your extensive response. Now, if you can help me figure out a way out of my "The Source is Not available..." when I attempt to update office 2003 (any updates) and Word Perfect. I think I even get that when I try to run "Detect and Repair" under Outook 2003.
Feel free to give advice!

by derrald521

I think that question might be considered a hijacking of this thread, but I will try to reply if it isn't deleted by the moderator.
Generally the error you indicated is because you do not have the MS Office installation files on your hard drive from the original installation, nor is the original CD from the installation in your optical drive. When you install MS Office, you are given the option of having the installation files left on your hard drive. If you select not to do so (presumably in order to save hard drive space), the original installation files are not available when you do an update or service pack, so you might get that message. Inserting the original installation disc into the same optical drive from which the app was installed should resolve the problem if you have not changed drive letter assignments. Another lesser possibility is that the system is having trouble accessing the update file. That could be because the file is corrupted, being blocked by a firewall, or is unreadable for some other unknown reason.
Incidentally, my "thanks" posting was a reply to the "indeed" posting of cbarnes@...
which is shown as a reply to my posting, and that can be done only when my posting had been clicked and was shown on the screen. So, I don't know whether you are the same person, but if you are, I assumed that you had read my prior comments and your comments were about my posting. Further, those comments were consistent with my posting. Hence my "thanks" for what I perceived as an endorsement for my posting about the necessity to do a BIOS update and/or change BIOS settings so that the SATA channel is directed over to an IDE/PATA channel, thus enabling the XP installation program to see the drive.
Best of luck to you in solving the source availability problem.

by fadbel

You may be right. The original Office 2003 I installed, I found to be "pirated" so, without really "exercising my brain", I purchased and installed another office OVER THE OLD. I just have to find out if I still have that pirate CD.

by derrald521

If you have a valid license number for Office, uninstall all existing MS Office apps and then after rebooting, do a clean installation of your licensed copy, choosing "Custom" installation instead of "Typical" or "Default." Then choose the features you want. Many useful features are not included in the default installation. If you cannot uninstall all existing MS Office apps, just Google the term "Microsoft Office eraser tool' and you will find links to Microsoft tools that will get rid of most versions of MS Office before you do your clean installation. Good luck.

by mohammad oweis

There are two modes in BIOS for accessing SATA HDD, change the settings to compatibility mode or something like this.

I had the same problem, and that fixed it.

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