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Visible, see-thru, manipulatable-by-all, public, shareable, free databases

By farfetched ·
The black oceans of the deep web, and the crystal clear databases

The Web is opaque.

Currently ?December, 2009? we are still sailing ?our? black oceans. Or, we are surfing somewhat blindly the waters of the web.

We accept and rely on what search engines like,,,,,,,,,,, et cetera, retrieve from the internet by using their web crawlers, bots or robots, ants, automatic indexers, worms, spiders, or Web scutters, and then delivering the results of their searches to us through the links their software creates.
I think the time has come for someone to tell the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) that soon there will be a need to create at least three new top-level domains (TLDs): .odb, .sdb, and .fdb (open databases, shareable databases, and free databases).
There are several well-known TLDs:
.aero, .asia, .biz, .cat, .com, .coop, .gov, .gob [in Spanish], .info, .int, .jobs, .mil, .mobi, .museum, .name, .net, .org, .pro, .tel, .travel, .tv, et cetera.

I believe it would be ideal, ?perfect? or good for many of us internet surfers to stop being surfers, and become internet divers or crew members of a submarine or a bathyscaphe.

We would be better if we could leave the surfboard or the clipper or the yacht, and enter a submarine or a bathyscaphe in order to see directly what the deep oceans of the web conceal.
I think we need to create many and multiple SHAREABLE, OPEN, and FREE databases (better if some or many of these are relational and/or interchangeable and/or interrelatable databases) in websites where the ACTUAL databases would be visible, not concealed.

[Maybe it will be necessary to modify the nowadays database software, or to CREATE NEW database software.]

?Let us take the case of IMDb, for example.

You can type the name of an actress/actor, so you get some information (or a lot of information) about her/him, but you cannot see the REAL database.

Now, please do not think I am against the Internet Movie Database (IMDb), or against the free enterprise system or the profitable corporations.

No. I have just chosen that company to illustrate the matter.

Neither I would want people reveal their credit card numbers, personal and private info, nor that the CIA, FBI, NSA, SBIs, reveal data out of their files or archives or databases.


?The COLLABORATIVE databases I am speaking of, would be built up freely by the users, by the people, by the web divers, out of a sort of combination of Wikipedia and Youtube roads, wikipedia-wise.

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Imagine these open, shareable, collaborative and free databases.

For example,

(1). A company which makes and sells wood vertical sash windows, would be quick in adding its data (name, street address, telephone numbers, websites, e-mail addresses, products, prices, links to photos et cetera), INTO THE lines and columns of the database, into the open and free databases?

(2). The fans of Guns n? Roses would type data about this rock group, would create links to videos, photos, et cetera.

(3). A geometer would type the names and perhaps the descriptions of different types of lines: straight, curved, dotted, broken, mixed, conchoid, asymptote, et cetera.


This way of creating databases by the people could be combined with the functions performed by web crawlers or bots, id est, the resulting database would be created both by the work of people entering data and bots delivering data into the same databases.

The people, the users, actually could open, see, watch, read, search into and manipulate the real databases in order to retrieve data OR to visit a website: by clicking with the mouse on a certain line and/or column of a specific database, they will be able to go directly to a specific website.

Maybe they also could do (by means of using MySQL or some other 21st century software) the equivalent of (in dBASE III Plus):

[INITIAL COMMANDS] append, average, browse, change, continue, copy, count, create, dir, display, do, edit, export, find, go, GoTo, import, index, label, list, locate, modify command/file, create/modify query, quit, recall, release, rename, replace, report, create/modify screen, seek, set, skip, sort to, store, sum, total, type, use?

BUT perhaps not: delete, delete all, delete file, erase, pack.

(Right now I am using terminology of a software program called dBASE III Plus, devised by the Ashton-Tate company, Torrance, California [1985-1987].


[ADVANCED COMMANDS] accept, cancel, call, close, copy file, display, display files, display history, display memory, display status, display structure, do case, do while, exit, if, input, insert, join, join with, load, list, list files, list history, list memory, list status, list structure, loop, macro, modify, modify command/file, modify label form, modify query file, modify report form, modify screen file, modify database structure, modify view file, note, on, parameters, private, procedure, public, read, reindex, restore, resume, retry, return, run / !, save, select, suspend, text, update, modify view, wait,

BUT perhaps not: zap.

Making the web bigger and greater by typing and/or uploading and/or copying & pasting data and information in databases? just like any wordcaster/web surfer/web diver can type words, express his/her ideas and concepts about just any subject in the Wikipedia websites, or like almost anyone can upload or broadcast a video in Youtube.
American futurologist Alvin Toffler (1928- ) says we should recombine knowledge.

Toffler states in a book written by him and his wife Heidi Toffler, Revolutionary Wealth (Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., New York, 2006), that some of the deep fundamentals of wealth are: work, time, space, and knowledge (happily or strangely, he does not mention money, platinum, gold, silver, diamonds, oil? as being deep fundamentals).

We are not merely expanding the ASK [Aggregate Supply of Knowledge], but altering the way in which it is organized, achieved, and distributed. Search engines in the Web let more and more immediate and sophisticated questions, and more and more ways of combining and manipulating contents?

In a previous book, The Third Wave (William Morrow and Company, Inc., New York, 1980), Toffler wrote that in the world, knowledge was worse distributed than arms and riches.

Also, about knowledge:
?In each of us there is a crowded, invisible warehouse full of knowledge and its precursor data and information. But unlike a warehouse, it is also a workshop in which we ?or, more accurately, the electrochemicals in our brains? continually shift, add, subtract, combine and rearrange numbers, symbols, words, images, and memories, combining them with emotions to form new thoughts.?

Maybe in the not-so-distant future it will be necessary a form of classification for certain databases, of for certain lines or columns of some databases. For example, the UNESCO has a six-digit classification system to be used mainly by scholars?
? but it is a poor one, or can become a poor one in the future.

Perhaps we shall need a new classification system.

True, the UNESCO system is limited to research papers and doctoral dissertations, but we could create wider or ?universal? classifications of disciplines, sciences, fields, areas, activities, et cetera.

The creation of classification systems is a work which should be approached by interdisciplinary transsectorial teams.

The classification systems could be arranged according to a specific scheme / design / methodology, or under a combination of two or more choices, in a flexible, elastic, adaptable, changeable, modifiable, ad-hoc-able, updateable way, with multiple variables / inputs / outputs:

(a). By following, but not copying, the Dewey Decimal Classifications system, the idea of Melvil Dewey (1851-1931), for libraries and librarians:

(b). One similar to the Library of Congress Class headings (which I do not like).

(c). With the least possible use of numbers; instead, by letting the alphabet be the guide, up to certain point.

(d) Other ways which I have not thought about. Hope some readers bring their ideas.

? Also, maybe false databases (lighter, with less weight measured in megabytes or gigabytes) could be created (as ?fuzzy? or ?coarse? copies of the real databases), out of the real operable and functional databases which would be slower to be opened or downloaded.

OR? D.O.S.-based databases.
Yes, based on the old disk operating system.

A false database could contain or
have the same data almost as they are saved in the ?COMPLETE? database (its ?parent? database), also it would have functional links, but the false or fictitious database would not be as manipulatable as the real, GIANT database. A false or fictitious database would be lighter, ?slim? (it would have less megabytes or gigabytes) and more easily viewed (or downloaded). It would be a ?bad? copy of the original database.

This copy would be used only to throw a look and reach a specific website faster.

If the use of one or several or many search algorithms were necessary in order to perform some searches outside or inside the databases, these algorithms should be posted and made visible or readable for all, so, anyone could copy and/or modify them.
I consider that in the area of databases, we need to follow the way inaugurated in the software field by Swedish-speaking Finnish programmer Linus Torvalds (1969- ) ?open source, et cetera?, almost copycatted or combined with the initial work of American philosopher Larry Sanger (1968- ), co-founder of Wikipedia, and also follow some signs and several ideas of American poet, essayist, retired Wyoming cattle rancher, political activist, former lyricist for the Grateful Dead rock group, AND cyberlibertarian John Perry Barlow (1947- ); also, he was one of the founding members of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
?In 1990, John Perry Barlow1 described the Internet as the ?electronic frontier?, a new world ?unspoiled, self-governing and best left to inhabitants to run as they pleas[e].?

Utopian visions of the Internet, like Barlow?s, saw this new technology as a way to connect people like never before, and the potential to start new societies beyond the control of government and the confines of territorial borders??.


Sure, there would arise many problems and questions.

One problem could be this one: A number of guys could DELETE or ?edit? some lines, several columns, or even ENTIRE databases. But there should be several ways to prevent or remedy these calamities:

By allowing the possibility to write and add information, but not to erase/delete it; ?pre-editing? by the generators or creators of databases; setting of software padlocks; creation of some barriers; instant automated copying toward mirror websites, and other ways that at this time do not come to my mind.

But, I think anyone should be enabled to search, organize or reorganize, arrange or rearrange, and retrieve data.

1. Besides, the possibility of creating databases in which the different columns include not only synonyms, and antonyms like ?long?, ?short?, but ALSO (or SIMPLY) words related to each other, exempli gratia, ?sweet?, ?bitter?, ?sour?, ?salty?; another example: ?variable(s)?, ?constant(s)?, could lead us to have online manipulatable dictionaries arranged in the form of databases.

2. In addition, there could be TRANSPARENT dictionaries of synonyms and antonyms PLUS dictionaries of related words and ideas (not necessarily synonyms [?sweet?, ?bitter?, ?sour?, ?salty?]), and like terms.

3. Furthermore, I think there is a need for creating a TRANSPARENT, see-thru database containing a reverse, inverted or backwards dictionary.

Imagine, in the first line of the right column of your database you have written the word abecedary? well, in the first line of the left column you will have to write the word yradeceba?. et cetera, and you will have to arrange the lines according to the common alphabetical order, IN the LEFT column.

Rome, Emor; Rio de Janeiro, Orienaj ed Oir; Canada, Adanac;
silver, revlis; gold, dlog; god, dog; dog, god; civic, civic; level, level; rotator, rotator; kayak, kayak; racecar, racecar.

The last five words are called palindromes.

Adanac Canada
Aikon Nokia
civic civic
dlog gold
dog god
draw ward
drow word
Emor Rome
evird drive
evird t?nac can?t drive
Evird Tnak Kant Drive
god dog
hapztuhc chutzpah
karona anorak
kayak kayak
lacismihw whimsical
larenim mineral
level level
murd drum
murdnunoc conundrum
naginanehs shenanigan
Nokuy Yukon
Nosscire Ericsson
Orienaj ed Oir Rio de Janeiro
revlis silver
racecar racecar
rotator rotator
tebahpla alphabet
ward draw
yksihw whisky
yradeceba abecedary
yrreb berry
yrrebduolc cloudberry
yrrebekohc chokeberry
yrrebeldnac candleberry
yrrebelkcuh huckleberry
yrrebeulb blueberry
yrrebhcnub bunchberry
yrrebkcah hackberry
yrrebkcalb blackberry
yrreblaroc coralberry
yrreblib bilberry
yrrebnarc cranberry
yrrebnawor rowanberry
yrrebnesyob boysenberry
yrrebnognil lingonberry
yrreb olaffub buffalo berry
yrrebpsar raspberry
yrrebrab barberry
yrrebragus sugarberry
yrrebredle elderberry
yrrebrekcehc checkerberry
yrrebwarts strawberry
yrrebwed dewberry
yrrebwoc cowberry
yrrebworc crowberry
yrrebyab bayberry
yrrehc cherry
yrrem merry
yrret terry

Please note that some pairs, as:

dog / god,
god / dog,
draw / ward,
ward / draw,

while are not palindromes, their respective inversions result in other EXISTENT or CORRECT words in English.

According to the Webster dictionary, a palindrome is:

Greek palindromos running back again, from palin back, again + dramein to run; akin to Greek polos axis, pole.
Date: circa 1629
a word, verse, or sentence (as ?Able was I ere I saw Elba?) or a number (as 1881) that reads the same backward or forward.

Palindromes often consist of a phrase or sentence (?Was it a rat I saw??, ?Step on no pets?, ?Sit on a potato pan, Otis?, ?Lisa Bonet ate no basil?, ?Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas?.

In Spanish, there are a number of inverted dictionaries. In English? no. It seems that there are only a few.
I think this is due to phonetic reasons. In Spanish, most of the letters of the abecedary have only one way to be uttered, one sound, while in English? consider the ?w?, for example, in ?wrangler? is silent; in ?water?, not. What about the ?i?? We know there are many ways it can be spoken.

4. How about another dictionary? but this time not about inverted or reversed words, but a dictionary of anagrams?

Old West Action ? Clint Eastwood
Lies down to act ? Clint Eastwood
Mr. Mojo Risin ? Jim Morrison

5. Also, the creation of bilingual, trilingual? multilingual databases could lead us to choose easier roads in order to approximate ourselves to better, more accurate machine translations? through crystal clear databases, and with equal importance, through special and precise classifications of disciplines, sciences, fields, areas, activities, and parcels of human knowledge.

? ? ? ? ?????????????????????

A.? Two lines from the song ?Wonderworld? (1974), written by Ken Hensley, and arranged and performed by the British rock group Uriah Heep:

... but in my wonderworld
each sleeping vision is so real

B. ? Have read ?Truthfully Speaking?, an interview with Mr. Guy Kawasaki (by Amanda C. Kooser) in pages 118-125 of the November 2007 issue of Entrepreneur Magazine.

Here is an excerpt:

?I?m into democratization ?of information, in this case. Information was [once] owned by royalty and the religious elite ?they had scribes. Then Gutenberg made it possible to print Bibles. Then Apple/Adobe/Aldus created desktop publishing. Then people could create websites, then blogs. It?s getting easier, cheaper and more democratized to publish information, but even at the website/blog stage, you still need to own/operate a website or blog. I wanted to go even further: to enable anyone to ?tell the world.? [With,] they can publish information. They don?t have to wait for editorial approval, the next print run, whatever.


?What does the fact that you were able to create a web startup so quickly and inexpensively tell us about the state of web entrepreneurship in general?
?Now more than ever, people should give it a shot to create the next Google, You-Tube, Facebook, eBay, whatever. You can get things done so much cheaper, faster and better* because of tools like MySQL and WordPress as well as the willingness of the crowds. There are many tech businesses that take millions to start, but there are many that can be done on credit cards. I hope I?ve proven that.?
* I would add: easier.


Now, maybe it is time to climb another step of the ladder, by creating visible, reorganizable, rearrangeable, manipulatable, interchangeable, interrelatable, CRYSTAL CLEAR, SEE-THRU and free databases FOR EVERYONE?

? in such a way that the people can take the place of yahoo, bing, google,, et cetera.

C. ? ?One of the central concepts in Complex Systems is Emergence. It is this automagical process through which elements of a system give rise to a higher order system. Emergence is how physics becomes chemistry and chemistry becomes biology. It is how web 1.0 evolved into web 2.0, and how that, in turn, will become the next web.?

in the web article: ?Yahoo! Pipes and The Web As Database?

I think that, strictly speaking, the internet IS NOT a database, but search engines companies have organized some web information in the form of databases.

D. ? About the importance of the words and the language:

D 1.
In an interview with the at that time ?August 8, 1997? president of the Royal Spanish Academy (Real Academia Espa?ola, , Fernando Lazaro-Carreter [1923-2004], by journalist Florinda Salinas, in Madrid, Spain.

Salinas ? Is the language the framework of the thought?

Lazaro-Carreter ? Yes, the language is the only framework of the thought. Science is nothing but a well-constructed language. We all think by means of words, no matter if we want it that way or not. If there is not a verbal analysis of the world, there is no way of knowing it.

D 2.

?The [Spanish] language was always the companion of the [Spanish] Empire.?

?Siempre fue la lengua compa?era del imperio.?

Antonio de Nebrija (Lebrija, Sevilla, Spain, 1441 ? Alcala de Henares, Spain, July 5, 1522), a Spanish scholar, humanist and grammarian who penned a grammar of the Castilian language (Gram?tica castellana, 1492), credited as the first published grammar of any Romance language.

D 3.
Once, German philosopher Martin Heidegger (1889 ?1976) said that ?the problem of philosophy is not the truth, but the language?.

D 4.
Apostle Paul uses words in order to convince his readers:

?For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some NEW thing.? ? (Acts, 17, 21.)


The by now hypothetical websites and web pages displaying databases could also show web widgets, and tickers similar to those you can see at the bottom of the screen in channels such as those of CNN.

I consider this of PARAMOUNT importance, due to the implied possibilities and potentialities of web divers interacting? to enrich the internet.

Will the time when we will be able to see tickers running at the bottom of our digital screens ever come?

As for the financial issues, the sustenance or the economic viability of the .fdb, .odb, and/or .sdb database websites, there could be at least two kinds of these:

(a) Some database websites could carry advertising.

(b) Some could follow the model of Jimmy Wales? Wikipedia (which I do not like), by not taking advertisements, but accepting donations.

? ?Wikipedia chief considers taking ads?

That was the heading of a newspaper article, December 30, 2005:

? ? ? ?

Praise to:

(a) The dBASE III Plus software, from Ashton-Tate, Torrance, California [1985-1987], Clipper C, C+, C++, PHP, MySQL, Apache, Oracle, et cetera.

(b) John George Kemeny (Budapest, May 31, 1926 ? New Hampshire, December 26, 1992) a Hungarian-American mathematician, computer scientist, and educator, and Thomas Eugene Kurtz (February 22, 1928 ? ), an American computer scientist. They developed the BASIC programming language (Beginner?s All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code), and authored the book Basic Programming (John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1971).

(c) The fathers of the internet: Leonard Kleinrock (1934 ? ), Vinton Cerf (1943 ? ), Robert E. Kahn (1938 ? ); and others: J.C.R. Licklider, Robert Taylor; Ray Tomlinson, who invented the internet-based e-mail in late 1971.

(d) Dennis C. Hayes, who invented the PC modem in 1977.

(e) File Transfer Protocol (FTP), TCP/IP, Internet Relay Chat (IRC), Mosaic, Gopher, Apache, Bulletin Board System (BBS), Majordomo, Eudora?

(f) Marc Andreessen (1971 ? ) and James H. Clark (1944 ? ) creators/founders of Netscape Navigator and developers of Secure Sockets Layer Protocol (SSL), which is still widely used.

(g) In today?s brave, fast-paced, web-based world, praise to Tim Berners-Lee (London, 1955 ? ), of the CERN, Centre Europ?en pour la Recherche Nucl?aire, near Geneva, Switzerland, for having created the world wide web (www, an important part of the internet, but not to be confused with this one) in 1990, and for having simply given it all away for free to the world, only promoting its wider use.

Alejandro Ochoa G. (a Web 2.0 enthusiast.)

Guadalajara, State of Jalisco, Mexico

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