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Vista's updated EULA.... Ugggg

By fungus-among-us ·
Sounds like M$ is looking to make some more waves...

I may have to pass... unless/until they sort this out.

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The Vista license terms are very bad X-(

by TechExec2 In reply to Vista's updated EULA.... ...

The Vista license terms are very bad. Microsoft has always wanted to tie Windows license sales to the hardware sales. Whenever you buy a new computer, a new license for Windows is included in the price. Now this extends to certain hardware upgrades and computer replacements too, even when you buy Windows at retail yourself.


1. REASSIGN: You can reassign your Vista license to another device only once. After that, you must buy a new license.

I presume the WPA hardware identification of a "device" will be used here. So, this means a significant upgrade to your current computer (e.g. replacement motherboard, or ???) or replacing your current computer, will be recognized as a new device.

2. TRANSFER: You can transfer your Vista license to someone else only once. That person cannot transfer the Vista license at all. It appears that this one-time transfer limitation will not apply to selling your entire computer.

3. VM ON WINDOWS: You can run Vista in a VM only if you buy "Vista Ultimate" ($400 retail). The same one-time "reassignment" restriction applies to the host hardware. Happily, this is likely unenforceable by WPA.

4. VM ON MAC: If you run Vista in a VM, "you may not play or access content or use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information or enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights management services or use BitLocker."

How will this affect .NET client/server applications that employ web services? How will this affect Mac OS X users running Vista in a VM who want to use .NET client/server applications? It seems that at least Vista in a VM on Mac OS X will not be permitted to play music protected by Microsoft DRM. [who cares...use iTunes].

5. ACTIVATION: Activation is required to use Vista. This is how this license will be controlled remotely from Redmond.


Apple iTunes allows you to have four (4) devices authorized to play your DRM-controlled music at any one time. And, you can deauthorize any device, and authorize a different device, any time you want, any number of times you want. This is a workable, reasonable, DRM. This Microsoft Windows Vista license is NOT REASONABLE. Windows Vista Ultimate has a friggin' retail price of $400!!!


This is exactly the kind of sneaky despicable bullsh*t that I would expect from Microsoft. This is exactly the kind of behavior that makes me just say no to Microsoft stuff as much as possible.

Thank you for posting about this.

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And here's ANOTHER thing... X-(

by TechExec2 In reply to Vista's updated EULA.... ...

And here's ANOTHER thing!

It is not necessary for Microsoft to restrict Vista customers to ONE "reassignment" in order to ensure the integrity of the Vista license. Getting software updates online is an essential feature of Vista. Thus, Microsoft could easily cut off the old Vista installation from getting updates. And, it could easily put the old installation back on a 30 day activation countdown if it was ever found to try to get software updates.

So, restricting Vista users to one "reassignment" is arbitrary and surely designed to extract more revenue out of customers who build/upgrade/replace their computer frequently. It will have no affect on people and businesses who don't do this or purchase new computers from PC makers (who must pay for new licenses anyway).

Bad move, Microsoft!

Keep it up! You're making Mac OS X and Linux look better and better every single day.

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It is SUICIDAL marketing

by Kiltie In reply to And here's ANOTHER thing. ...

There is NO WAY I am ever getting Vista, not now, not ever.

About the only way is, somewhere down the line, I get a machine with it already on.


by then, I will already have been using my favourite version of Linux (maybe dual booting a few distros) that I will simply wipe the HD and install my favourite distro.

M$, loses not just this once, but all down the line with this suicidal play.

What is more, I will be recommending to ALL my customers to switch to a Linux Distro, and once they are happy (and they will be, I'll make sure of that), They will tell all their friends, colleagues and business acquaintances, who will then try Linux..... when they are happy, word of mouth will spread like wildfire.

It's called The Pyramid Effect M$, screw a few customers, pooh pooh those customers as a very small percentage, but you forget about the FUTURE effects of that % on business, that small % won't remain small long.

It'll soon be a HUGE one, and down the line, M$ executives will be holding post mortems, asking where they went wrong.

I'll tell you:

You didn't listen to your customers
You didn't respect your customers
You ripped your customers off
You SCREWED your customers
Your customers didn't like that

They voted

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EULA Microsoft has wants 'mo money' $$$$

by claymann39 In reply to It is SUICIDAL marketing

The EULA on a retail copy now states that VISTA can only be activated twice. If I decide to build a new PC a third time, Microsoft in effect is telling me to shell out another $400.00 for Vista Premium. My original disc becomes a very expensive coaster. XP (and all previous WINDOWS) allowed a retail copy to be moved as many times as you wished. I like to upgrade to the latest hardware. In the five years I have owned my retail XP, I have gone from the original P3 P4 2gHz* P4 3gHz P4 3.2gHz* dual Xeon 2.4gHz* dual Xeon 2.8gHz dual Xeon 3.2gHz* dual Xeon 3.4gHz (64bit)*. (* are new motherboards too.) That?s 8 different processors and 6 motherboards. Oh and several new hard drives along the way as well. With Vista, I would be stuck at the P4 2gHz.

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Just goes to show....

by FXEF In reply to Vista's updated EULA.... ...

Microsoft needs to spend more time writing source code for Vista and less time writing a new EULA. Just goes to show Microsoft's priority.

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Vista's updated EULA....

by maurice In reply to Vista's updated EULA.... ...

Well guys I guess you don't know how to operate a truely successful business like Microsoft. Microsoft has succeeded for may years and still growing. Sure the freeby Linux is a great OS I've tried it and I hate it. I've even got it running my web server but I won't do it again. Yep, it is realatively solid but when it breaks it isn't a simple easy fix. I never like DOS and all the command lins stuff and I sure don't want to go backwards to it. I worked for a guy woho said "Windows won't last 2 years and i won't sell it to my clients" He was out of business in less than 2 years and Windows is still alive.

Anyway, I've been in marketing and sales all my live and been in the computer building, networking and installation business for over 27 years. I have never totally liked Micorosoft but... when push comes to shove they still have what it takes to succeed. No, don't give they have a monopoly garbage, they don't have a monopoly they have set the standards.

Remember, it wasn't customers who said they have a monopoly, it was Bill Gates jealous peers who pushed that stupid idea. The US Government wasn't smart enough to see they were using standard smart marketing, they wanted to get the $$$$ dollars in fines in the government coffers. They put blinders on and couldn't see the thousands and thousands of millinionares and large and small companies that were created because of Microsoft. Without Microsoft there would be a much smaller number of software and hardware companies today or it would be some other company that would have created all this. I certainly would not be the organizations that give it away, free.)

They have made it possible for software developers to write software that works on a standard OS that is grossly popular for one reason. Gobs and gobs of systems are running it and it has become a standard. How? through good marketing. No one forced anyone to buy anything. Someone designed and marketed an OS and allowed others to tap into it with their software design capabilities and didn't allow a them to change the basic foundation of the OS. Linux... Anyone who wants to can change it anyway they want to. Therefore, it lost it's original foundation and is difficult to standardize any large quantity of software programs to run on all gazillion versions that are out there.

Say what you want about Microsoft but it all comes down to excellent marketing, a decently priced standard OS that has sold millions and millions and millions of copies, upon which otheres companies can build and sell millions and millions of copies of the software.. No one has come up with a better OS foundation and no one has has been aboe to create it as a standard. Don't blame Microsoft/Bill Gates until you can outdo his success. Oh, and by the way, when you do, Bill will be saying some of the same things about you.

Remember, for now, this is still a free country, for the time being. In the near future it may not be if government gets its way. Congress wants to control everything and our kids and what we do and how we get there and what we pay or get paid. You can buy, use, and distribute Linux or whatever else you want. Just don't complain about something you have a choice to buy and use freely, just becasue you like something else that is so called "free" that you can do the same with. Until the government tells you that you don't have that freadom count you blessing. After all being happy is a choice.

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