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want training, but employer resistant

By Shellbot ·
So i found 2 training courses I want right. One is a 5 day intensive "Programming with SQL", the other is a 2 day intensive "MS Reporting Services". If i sign up and take them in the next month, the government will pay 60% of the cost!! Some sort of "upskilling" initiative they doing. At any rate, i just cannot pass this up right.
So, I approached the director of my dept and was told with a big smile that if wanted training in the things that the rest of the staff go for, then i could. If i felt the course i wanted was of interest to others, then put it forward and it would be looked at. I tried not to be too rude as i informed her that "Intro to Word" was a bit basic for me, and no others would be interested in my courses as they were specialised and not meant for "Users".

Policy is, we can take up to 5 days training a year, but for the courses they want you to take(these are all basic users stuff..MOUS and all). I suggested if i could prove that they were of benifit to the company would i be able to get a couple days off (as everyone else gets 5 days a years to take) OR some financial assistance.

Problem is, I'm actually in a non-IT dept, and they don't have a clue what goes on. They think the Database is a pretty blue web page where they click on menu buttons..if only is was so easy eh?
We are looking at overhauling our reports using MS Reporting Services hence my excitement (yes, i'm actaully excited about this) at the course. It seems that because in the past i have "figured out how to get things done", that this is what is expected now. Fair enough, I normally figure it out, but the course would take a lot of learning time off the actuall implementation of the reports.

Anyways, i am putting together some info for my manager, but if they say no, is it wrong of me take the holiday days and pay for it myself, but then not "use" the new skills.
I know this sounds horrible, but i have to look out for my future, where to them i'm just someone who "learns how to do what they need me to". I should note that I am on long term contract, but so are others who DO get thier training.

I don't think i am asking for a lot..a couple days off or a few bucks to help pay..which would be tax deductible for them anyways..

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by ericl_w19 In reply to want training, but employ ...

I think you should take that as a sign they arent willing to pay for alot of other things.I would go find another job if its that big of a deal.

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Intro to MS Access

by c.walters In reply to yup

1) If MS Access is on their list. Take the course. MS Access is a wonderful and powerfull tool for office automation. With the query/report modules you can create all the reports you want. You need to learn how to create a ODBC connection and use 'Get external data/link tables'. It will hook up to every database in the world
2) Invest in yourself and follow the courses you want. If you manage to build practicle solutions for your employer he WILL repay on the long term
3) Your auditor is your friend! When your department gets an audit make sure to mention all short comings. Auditors love this stuff and will write down what you mention in their audit report. This report will go to higher management and suddenly 'money is available'.

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been there

by Shellbot In reply to Intro to MS Access

took that course years ago..thats what got me into the game :)

Won't be an audit for ages..I'll be gone by then :)

well, i'm going to take them, at the end of the day, my next employer will pay all that much more for my further knowledge/experience

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y're right

by rob mekel In reply to want training, but employ ...

You ain't asking much.

Can be that management is trying to let the workers pay for their own trainings! On the other hand if you don't take the training you will, in the end, get a setback on knowledge, less competitive if you wanna leave this company.

You can try in suggesting them that you will pay for the training via them so you will have the tax advantage, and they give you the training days. This way y'll know if they want you to invest in your own education or that they don't wanna invest in you what so ever.

Hope it will turn out good for you.


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by tknepper17268 In reply to want training, but employ ...

If I were you I would just take the time off and do the classes,If the government is going to pay for 60% of the cost that only leaves 40% for you to pay out of pocket, Also you have to watch because if your company gives you the time off or helps with the money part of it they will expect a couple years out of you for them paying or helping. If you plan to be at your job for a while then no big deal but as you get more experience I am sure there are employers out there that once they see your experience they will give you a job making more money then you already are making which will surely make up for the money you paid out of pocket for the classes.

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Does the Training Fit the Job?

by Wayne M. In reply to want training, but employ ...

From the post, it looks as if the poster's management is willing to pay for training, but the training proposed by the poster is not related to his current job.

My advice would be to take the training classes recommended by the company. If one chooses training for skills not currently used, one needs to be prepared to immediately begin serious job hunting after completing the training. Especially for a 5-day course, if the training is not applied within about 6 months, it will be forgotten.

Take the recommended courses and go in with an open mind. One might find that there is valuable information to be gleaned from those courses.

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courses not fit the bill

by Shellbot In reply to Does the Training Fit the ...

Problem is,in IT we have 2 networks/hardware guys. I am Database Admin/Support/Programmer/Web Developer/whatever i have to be, but there is only one of me. The rest of the company is admin (accounts, HR, media, research, ect), so they have chosen courses that they need. Intro to MS Word, MS Excel, Effective Media Response, Research techniques, ect..
In a company of 250 people, I exist alone within the Research Dept, as they commisioned and control the Database.

Not trying to be a snob, but I'm a bit beyond learning how to find a sum() in an excel spreadsheet. I'm more interested in how to get MS Reporting Services hooked into our existing application (Without messing it all up), rewrite over 200 reporting queries and create a new web interface to manage the reports!

Normally i agree and would say that any training is good training, but spending valuable time out of the office to play with Excell is not productive.

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If you do the course you at THE EXPERT.

by michael_orton In reply to courses not fit the bill

When I worked for a major UK Utility we had a saying about courses.
The definition of an expert."The last one to go on the course."
It didn't seem to matter how good (usually how bad), the course was, or even if you slept through it.
But it was worth going on them.
However I am sure many courses are just plain B/s to get a tick in a training box.
In the 90s I learned more by "borrowing" copies for my home PC.
If I "borrowed" a ?400 program, I didn't mind spending ?30 on a QUE book on how to use it.
We got trained well this way, and we learned how to hack any copy protection! I got very proficient at copying Copy-protected Floppies using an illegal bit copier at work, and hiding illegal software in "bad sectors" on my PC. And I always managed to get the PC through security audits carried out by a "professional!"
The firm benefited too, so did the software manufacturer, as we were able to use it rather than find ways of dumping it.
Later I did some work for an IT training company.
We ran courses. They were just too short to really teach anything, it wasn't real training, just something to give the appearence that action was being taken.

I can remember that when we were faced with redundency, we complained that we were being counceled by people without counceling qualifications.
Guess what, they found a whole 3 day course to produce an "expert!"
Grab any courses that you can get.
Its excellent b.... s.... for your CV.
If you do an Excel course, no matter how bad.. you ARE an Excel Expert!

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Wrong angle

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to courses not fit the bill

Don't sell you go on course so know how to do MS Reporting services.
Sell MS reporting services will let you do this and that and do this easier and that quicker with less risk.

Then mention the course, which will let you hit the ground running, cut down the experimentation and stop you heading down blind allys from not asking the correct question of google.

Again reducing the risk and cost.

In other words turn it into a training requirement as opposed to a training option.

You'll want to look at some alternatives to MS reporting services, but if the tool won't provide a definite business benefit, the training certainly isn't going to be justifiable.

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You have to justify this

by jdclyde In reply to want training, but employ ...

You will need to justify this class to someone that doesn't understand the value in this.

What will you get out of this class, and how will it directly or indirectly help you do your job?

Will this allow you to look at new ways to create or improve systems?

Compare the costs to go to the standard intro classes they are currently paying for to what this class will cost after the government pitch in.

If it is less than the other classes or even close, you just need to convince them what the value to them is that you go to this class.

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