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Well, it seems that GWB has been spying on DOMESTIC calls as well!

By deepsand ·
Now, why am I not surprised?


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Firestorm Over NSA Surveillance

Associated Press | May 11, 2006

WASHINGTON - Congressional Republicans and Democrats demanded answers from the Bush administration Thursday about a government spy agency secretly collecting records of ordinary Americans' phone calls to build a database of every call made within the country.

Facing intense criticism from Congress, President George W. Bush did not confirm the work of the National Security Agency but sought to assure Americans that their privacy is being "fiercely protected."

"We're not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans," Bush said before leaving for a commencement address at Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College in Biloxi.

The disclosure, first reported in USA Today, could complicate Bush's bid to win confirmation of former National Security Agency director Gen. Michael Hayden as CIA director. It also reignited concerns about civil liberties and touched off questions about the legal underpinnings for the government's actions and the diligence of the Republican-controlled Congress oversight of a Republican administration.

The top-ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee said he was shocked by the revelation about the NSA.

"It is our government, it's not one party's government. It's America's government. Those entrusted with great power have a duty to answer to Americans what they are doing," said Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont.

AT&T Corp., Verizon Communications Inc., and BellSouth Corp. telephone companies began turning over records of tens of millions of their customers' phone calls to the NSA program shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, said USA Today, citing anonymous sources it said had direct knowledge of the arrangement.

The Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Arlen Specter, said he would call the phone companies to appear before the panel in pursuit of what had transpired.

"We're really flying blind on the subject and that's not a good way to approach the Fourth Amendment and the constitutional issues involving privacy," Specter said of domestic surveillance in general.

The companies said Thursday that they are protecting customers' privacy but have an obligation to assist law enforcement and government agencies in ensuring the nation's security. "We prize the trust our customers place in us. If and when AT&T is asked to help, we do so strictly within the law and under the most stringent conditions," the company said in a statement, echoed by the others.

Bush did not confirm or deny the USA Today report. But he did say that U.S. intelligence targets terrorists and that the government does not listen to domestic telephone calls without court approval and that Congress has been briefed on intelligence programs.

He vowed to do everything in his power to fight terror and "we will do so within the laws of our country."

On Capitol Hill, several lawmakers expressed incredulity about the program, with some Republicans questioning the rationale and several Democrats railing about the lack of congressional oversight.

"I don't know enough about the details except that I am willing to find out because I'm not sure why it would be necessary to keep and have that kind of information," said House Majority Leader John Boehner, a Republican.

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham told Fox News Channel: "The idea of collecting millions or thousands of phone numbers, how does that fit into following the enemy?"

Democratic Sen. **** Durbin said bringing the telephone companies before the Judiciary Committee is an important step.

"We need more. We need to take this seriously, more seriously than some other matters that might come before the committee because our privacy as American citizens is at stake," Durbin said.

Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions argued that the program "is not a warrantless wiretapping of the American people. I don't think this action is nearly as troublesome as being made out here, because they are not tapping our phones."

The program does not involve listening to or taping the calls. Instead it documents who talks to whom in personal and business calls, whether local or long distance, by tracking which numbers are called, the newspaper said.

NSA spokesman Don Weber said in an e-mailed statement that given the nature of the agency's work, it would be "irresponsible to comment on actual or alleged operations issues." He added, "the NSA takes its legal responsibilities seriously and operates within the law."

NSA is the same spy agency that conducts the controversial domestic eavesdropping program that had been acknowledged earlier by Bush. The president said last year that he authorized the NSA to listen, without warrants, to international phone calls involving Americans suspected of terrorist links.

The report came as Hayden - Bush's choice to take over leadership of the CIA - postponed some visits to lawmakers on Capitol Hill. Meetings with Republican Sens. Rick Santorum and Lisa Murkowski were delayed at the request of the White House, said congressional aides in the two Senate offices.

The White House offered no reason for the postponement to the lawmakers. Other meetings with lawmakers were still planned.

Hayden already faced criticism because of the NSA's secret domestic eavesdropping program. As head of the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005, Hayden also would have overseen the call-tracking program.

Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who has spoken favorably of the nomination, said the latest revelation "is also going to present a growing impediment to the confirmation of Gen. Hayden."

The NSA wants the database of domestic call records to look for any patterns that might suggest terrorist activity, USA Today said.

Don Weber, a senior spokesman for the NSA, told the paper that the agency operates within the law, but would not comment further on its operations.

One big telecommunications company, Qwest Communications International Inc., has refused to turn over records to the program, the newspaper said, because of privacy and legal concerns.

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Impeachment Call

by BFilmFan In reply to Well, it seems that GWB h ...

Based on this information and their failure to protect the borders of the United States of America, it is time to call for the impeachment of George Bush and **** Cheney.

I am wondering at what point the American people are going to realize the serious issues facing this nation?

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by Jaqui In reply to Impeachment Call

impeachment equal assasination?

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Physical or Character

by BFilmFan In reply to does....

Which one did you mean?

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what character? N/T

by Jaqui In reply to Physical or Character
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The Character of Villany

by BFilmFan In reply to what character? N/T

Villany has a character. Without a strong villan, Disney stories would never have their power.

I am recalling the quotation on the small-mindness of evil that we see so much of in the world.

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I find it amazing. BFilmFan is dead wrong.

by X-MarCap In reply to The Character of Villany

I am sure that you revere Clinton.He is a probable rapist, who was a perjuring, womanizing, coward who was a draft dodger. Is this the hero for a clown like you?

You claim that a guy who attends church, tries to do what is right, and is trying to protect the country is evil.

Get a grip. <whisper> Gore lost... Gore lost....

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But, he lost only to the Supreme Court, ...

by deepsand In reply to I find it amazing. BFilmF ...

who intervened in what was a matter for the State.

Yet one more example of the trampling of the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

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Reversing the Grip

by BFilmFan In reply to I find it amazing. BFilmF ...

I didn't vote for Al Gore, John Kerry or Bill Clinton.

I thought Bill Clinton should have been impeached for lying to a grand jury under oath.

I also didn't state that President Bush was evil. I do believe that he should be impeached for failure to defend and protect the borders of the US, which is a constitutional duty.

My comment on the small mindness of evil, which perhaps should be called the mendacity of evil, was a commentary on how totalitarian states operate by violating the rights of the people by faceless people in agencies of the state.

A further observation is your erroneous belief that a person that "attends church, tries to do what is right, and is trying to protect the country" is inherently good. I offer Benito Mussolini (Catholic), Adolph Hitler (Raised Catholic, but became a Deist) and Pol Pot (Buddhist) as examples as to the fallacy of this statement.

Now that you have discovered that you were incorrect, would you care to state a retraction?

Or do you prefer to simply make statements on matters of which you have absolutely no knowledge?

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Wrong Sandy ... Bush won Florida in two Miami herald funded recounts...

by X-MarCap In reply to I find it amazing. BFilmF ...

If the rules didn't get changed in mid-stream Gore didn't win...

He lost the Electoral college...

ALGORE won popular vote!!! Yippeee!!!! We elect our President by the electoral college.

You conceivably could win CA, TX, NY, FLA, OH, IL, VA, MA, MI, and I think PA by a grand total of 10 votes, lose the rest of the other 132 million registered voters and still be President.

Gore tried to cherry pick the precincts. This was at the direction of Richard Daly. That made it illegal, via the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment to do that...

The Florida Supreme court had the judgement remanded to them for review twice. Then the Supreme court stopped the BS...

Don't rewrite history. The FLASC tried to stop the State constitutionally mandated filing of electors. (unethical, and illegal by state and Federal law.)

When FLASC tried to stop Florida's electoral votes from being cast on Nov 21, that would have affected the Federal electoral college. By FLA state law the electors are then selected by the legislature. (Which is Republican) Then the electors in that situation wouldn't have gone to Gore in that case...

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Outcome of game decided by bad officiating, ...

by deepsand In reply to I find it amazing. BFilmF ...

just like last year's Penn State - Michigan football game.

The point is that we'll never what the true outcome would have been.

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