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What impact will Cloud Computing have in the future?

By johnnybj03 ·
An emerging technology, Cloud Computing has been getting a lot of buzz within IT departments. Does Cloud Computing have a future in the IT infrastructure? Is it geared more towards small and medium size companies?

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My opinion

by johnnybj03 In reply to What impact will Cloud Co ...

Cloud computing, in my opinion, is the future of the IT infrastructure (Small and medium sized companies). Cloud computing platforms are becoming more sophisticated and easier to program a secure cloud with all the necessary applications that run your day to day business processes. With par-per-use methods of transactions, these smaller companies can cut costs by paying for only the data they use. Amazon, IBM and Microsoft for example give SaaS a platform to work off of. Building my own cloud using Microsoft's Windows Azure was quite easy and inexpensive while being able to run applications securely on the cloud. The reason I think cloud computing is geared more towards smaller organizations is because they have less funding, because let's face it, the overall costs of running an IT department can be astronomical and you might not have the talent to run an effective infrastructure.

Sorry for the rant but I'm very excited about where cloud computing is heading in the future. Thanks

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Well I can see why you are in sales.

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to My opinion

As a technical type, I'm going to have to point out the issues you sales types keeping missing.

Control
Ownership
Security
Privacy
Legislation
The fact that it's completely different platform, so there will a lot of rework. To get the best out of the cloud even if you ignore the first five issues, you need more than a few skills, which cost.

And then there's the real killer, lock in...

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True

by johnnybj03 In reply to Well I can see why you ar ...

Very true...my profile thing says sales but I'm not in sales, I am a Management Information Systems Instructor/Researcher.

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Well you sound like you are in sales.

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to True

It would seem your research up to press, is hit the hype button and ride short term cost saving to victory over the sort of Magoos that listen to Gartner.

Let's just imagine for a moment that all the major technical /operational concerns are addressed. Lets asume that the cost of doing so, doesn't knock the margins on their arse.

How many providers would you able to buy from?

How easy would it be to switch between them?

When you've sold all your kit, laid off your people, driven the indpendents out of the market, leaving the cloud as the only alternative, with players who's principal commercial strategy will be to absorb each other, what will happen to quality and price?

I'm an MIS doer, I can see considerable benefits in the cloud. I'm sure there could be more than I can see now. I see absolutely no benefit to anyone except cloud providers, by selling them all the eggs, the basket and then saving for a year so you can treat your self to an egg butty.


Given your MIS knowledge what would be the cost of switching a standard RDBMS backed CRUD / MIS system to the cloud's property bag blob approach?
If you chose not to do that and rent say SQl Server space which even they admit is way less cost effective, and I know for fact would be horribly expensive to do, and would require you to keep people and kit to devlop it, or outsource that out to a third party developer.

Your in IT, and your a tech that means you should be looking long term, not saving afew bucks today and getting promoted before the wheels come off.

This is outsourcing writ large, and outsourcing hasn't been a raging success has it? I'll tell you why as well, the driver, isn't quality, competition, service, it's cheap.....

Cheaper != Better.

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Great post!

by johnnybj03 In reply to Well you sound like you a ...

I am agreeing with you in everything you said but I just feel as if there is potential for the cloud in the future. Who knows I could be totally wrong and the cloud could just become another flop! There are many cost that are involved with cloud computing and in fact doesn't make a lot of sense to do for someone with technical knowledge like yourself. But I do think there is a place for this technology. The question is where?

This is the reason why I am researching this topic and it is great to get this kind of feedback from you!

Thanks for the responses!

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Think distributed

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Great post!

processing. The cloud becomes a CRUD front end, clients take some data do something to it, send it back.

Think variable demand say end of period payroll processing. Most of the time it's a few dribble of data, new employee , some one left etc. Then 25th of the month it's gets the **** battered out of it.

enet campaign, start with a few processors ramp up as it takes off amnd then down as it gets old. The traditional approach would have you buy enough oomph for the peak demand, well actually a lot less than that so at the point where you have the most interest, you have the least capacity...

There are lots of added value uses for it.

Keeping Garntner lead f***wits on their career track is teh least valuable of them.

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The problem with cloud computing...

by jck In reply to Well I can see why you ar ...

...is that they don't present the real world scenario.

Say you work in Pittsburgh, PA and you move your small to medium sized business to a cloud environment.

You use the local telco as your business communications provider, and have a high speed DSL line in to provide rapid cloud interaction.

All the sudden, the PA Dept of Highways doing expansion work on the side of the highway runs a backhoe through the switching station before it gets on the fibre trunk.

Your small business is down for 2-8 hours while the telco gets a repairman out to fix the damage and resync the network.

Unless you have redundant, local systems within your facility, you are risking having all sorts of interruption issues with remote data and applications service. And if you pay to have redundant, localized systems then why are you paying someone to cloud it in the first place?

I don't get it about cloud computing for business that has critical data needs. I can see it for doing things like IMs and stuff. But, a business (especially with the economy now) can't afford to lose 2-8 hours of business income because they can't process payments, print receipts, etc.

It makes no sense.

You're spot on too, Tony

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I was recently at a presentation for Azure

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to The problem with cloud co ...

There's some pretty good tech in it, and some useful models for variable demand processing in there.

Not one mention of replacing our kit and people with the cloud, just some very useful ways it could add value to what we do.

The problem with cloud computing is Gartner types are driving selling it.

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Absolutely

by jck In reply to I was recently at a prese ...

I can see some uses for the cloud, but as a total datastore solution for all environments as a lot of consultants and advisors would cast it as... I don't see the value.

Even something like Google apps has some applications in a lot of places, but it's not the total office replacement solution for all environments.

As an example of a tool being cast as a broad solution:

I can't see Google Apps being something to provide a security suite and communications tool for someone like the US Dept. of Defense, or even for Chase Manhattan, whose information, communications, and data (even non-classified) in-house has to have select, uncompromisable storage and viewers.

The cloud, unless made very reliably dependable and uncompromisable, isn't going to be the all-encompassing tool that a lot of vendors and reps make it out to be.

I think a small business, whose data access and apps availability being compromised won't cripple their function or revenue, could benefit from the savings in not having to implement servers and pay for full-time support staff and systems administration that the cloud offers.

It has its purpose, but it's not the IT silver bullet some would try to cast it as.

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Spot on, Tony

by AV . In reply to Well I can see why you ar ...

Moving to the Cloud sounds good but in reality, you are giving control over your business to a third-party.

I work for a mid-sized business and our tech committee has had Cloud discussions, but all of the issues you stated above became major obstacles to ever moving to the Cloud for mission-critical apps.

I did deploy our spam filter in the Cloud and I would say it works well for that application. Still, the tools to investigate mail problems and the like are rudimentary. You have to depend on their support.

AV

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