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What's on these SUSE Distro CDs?

By CharlieSpencer ·
A couple of years ago I attended a free Linux dog and pony show presented by Novell. I received four free CD's at this show, one labeled:

SUSE Linux Standard Server 8

Will this run as a desktop? What makes it "Server"?

The others were CDs 1 through 3 of something called:

United Linux for SUSE Linux Standard Server 8 1.0

What's United Linux, yet another distro I haven't heard of? What's the relationship between United Linux and SUSE Linux?

Most importantly, I've got these and a set of three RH9 CDs. Which would be better suited for newbie with a Compaq EPa/P600e/10b/9/128c with 512Mb of RAM and a 10Gb HD? And will either work with a KVM switch right out of the box?

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by jdclyde In reply to What's on these SUSE Dist ...

The packs they were giving out were for the server AND desktop. They also included the Novell software that runs ON SUSE.

Because of the Microsoftish attitude that RedHat has been taking, I would go with the SUSE, and am now in the process of switching over.

Just keep in mind that SUSE 10 is coming out, so the version 8 is a bit behind the curve.

As for running on your system, it should start right up.

Difference between server and desktop. The applications that you have running is the difference.

You would not install a web server on your desktop, nor an email server.

On the desktop you would probably run the GUI, and so would load more of the office productivity packages.

It is possible to load it all, but the first step in security and stability is to not have anything running that you don't need running. It just opens up avenues of attack, and takes up resources for something your not doing anyways.

Let us know how it goes. Maybe blog your experience?

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to

Nice to see TR got the Rating system in place while I was otherwise occupied.

Okay, what do I install, the "Server" CD or the three-set "United Linux"? Are you saying the "Server" CD is optimized for a server installation and the "United" set is preconfigured for desktops? A quick look while I was waiting showed the "United" set defaults to a bunch of installs I consider server apps (DNS, DHCP, Apache, mail server, etc.).

Since this box will not initially be connected to anything else, security is not an issue (yet). Anyway, at this stage I'm not sure what to leave in and what to take out. By the time I get ready to connect it to my existing Windows domain, I hope to have learned enough that it's worth reinstalling from scratch. I also hope the differences in versions and distros won't be so much that I'm wasting my time with either SUSE or RH.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Microsoftish attitude", but will that prevent me from learning something with long-term value from RH9? I'm not looking for a long-term commitment to a distro at this point, I'm trying to determine which of two distros I already have will be the easier newbie tool.

Blog? Me? You know better than that. Seriously, I've thought about that, something similar to what the Geek did a couple of months ago. I'm just not sure I know how to use the format effectively.

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to What's on these SUSE Dist ...

The Red Hat 9 installation process detected the USB mouse on my KVM switch while I had to tell the SUSE Server and United Linux installer (YaST2) that my USB mouse was present. Round 1 to RH9

The SUSE Server CD doesn't allow any changes to the list of software installed during the installation process. The United Linux install offers more software options, more like the my two previous attempts with RH9 and Knoppix, but it defaults to installing a bunch of software I consider server apps and unnecessary for a desktop. The RH9 install offers a "Personal Desktop" option that's got to make more sense intially than United's laundry list. Round 2 to RH9, so I'm going with Red Hat, rendering the original question irrelevant.

JDC, thanks for your response. I'll leave this open a couple more days just in case someone else has any relevant points.

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by Jaqui In reply to What's on these SUSE Dist ...

Palmetto, the RH product is slightly more user friendly, even though both Novell and Red Hat are user unfriendly.

openSuse "Slick" is out, it is Suse 10
[ it must be out I have it on a magazine cover dvd ]

to really learn it, install everything, then rip out items until it breaks. then you know you found something critical.

break it and fix it is the way you find out the most :)

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to

Jaqui, TR won't allow me to use the language I want to use to describe how much I hate that method of "learning". (F-bombs, anyone?) I prefer to start small, then add on when I'm ready to try something new. That way I get a sense of accomplishment from mastering a new skill. With the "break it and fix it" method, all I get is the feeling that I've managed to undo a mistake and restored the system to the state it was in before I started without having accomplished anything. Also, with that method, if the damage is not immediately noticable, I could break several things before the the effects of the first one become apparent. This violates my first rule of troubleshooting: only change one thing at a time.

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by jmgarvin In reply to What's on these SUSE Dist ...

RH9 is EOL. So The support you'll get with that will be minimal. Plus if you run SATA, neither of these will work out of the box.

SuSe 10 is out ( and is going to support things better out of the box. Fedora Core 5 is also out (the free version of Red Hat Enterprise...mostly). I'd check them out.

If you really want to get your hands dirty, check out Gentoo. This has become my new favorite distro as Red Hat is mini-Microsoft.

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to

Sorry, "EOL"? At my minimal level of knowledge, I suspect I'll be able to get answers to all my newbie questions here.

Regarding my distribution choices, I've decided to try JDC's suggestion of a web log. See for more of my pathetic reasons for going with RH9. They're lousy, but they're mine.

" ... as Red Hat is mini-Microsoft."

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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by jdclyde In reply to What's on these SUSE Dist ...

My comment about being MSish is there are groups that set INDUSTRY STANDARDS, and these standards make it easier for vendors to write software that will easilly install on any platform.

RH has taken the approach that they are big enough that they can try to set their own standards, and everyone else can bugger off! This is bad for everyone that wants to have software that "just workes".

It also makes it harder for a newbie to go from one distro to another, because the layout is different, even if the basic ideas are the same.

I would get the V10 SUSE. Just starting out, it is an easy install. A co-worker had an Ubanto install, and it started crashing. He wiped and went to the SUSE and everything is right with the world. My next production server will be SUSE.

Just install, play with it, and then install the other.

KVM is not OS dependant.

Give yourself a goal when you do this install. What do you want to DO with this system? If you just install it, and then don't have a goal, it will be like "ok, now what?".

A good way to approach this if doing a desktop is to try to replace everything you currently do with your windows boxes.

Have fun.

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to

Okay, I'm closing this. Thanks to everyone who responded.

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by CharlieSpencer In reply to What's on these SUSE Dist ...

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