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    When To Call Time At Your Firm

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    by si_pert ·

    I having been working for the same firm for near on 13 years now, starting out as someone who fell into IT by accident through to gaining experience by working the support desk and also learning from my colleagues and boss. I have just finished a Compta Network+ Certification course. My question though, is how do you know it is time to move on from your current job, and that old adage of “The grass is not always greener on the other side”. I find that I am increasinly unmotivated by my job, but nothing has happened at work to make me feel this way.

    Any thoughts

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    • #3160886

      When? Easy…

      by obiwaynekenobi ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      When you feel the way you said you do. If you feel a job is unmotivating and that you either can’t a) do what you want to do at that job or b) have risen as high as you can (this one typically occurs in smaller, family-run companies) then its time to look for a better position.

      Sadly, I should take my own advice sometimes.. but need the money..

      • #3160873

        Good Advice…Just doing it

        by si_pert ·

        In reply to When? Easy…

        Thanks for that Wayne, that is the big trouble isn’t it, Money! It does tie you to a place especially if you have family, mortgage and other commitments (like everyone does).

        But I take your point though, time to see what is around…

        Thanks for the advice.

        • #3160867

          Moving On

          by ipkernel ·

          In reply to Good Advice…Just doing it

          Steady employment offers certain comforts: a paycheck, familar surroundings and people, the certainty that nothing is going to occur that you cannot handle because you’ve done it all before.
          It also extends a level of discomfort: the feeling that you’re wasting your life because you’re really contributing nothing new, you’re not growing, and any excitement in performing your job was long ago replaced with a sense of boredom and drudgery.
          When to change? Well, the answer for all of us is the same. When your level of discomfort outweighs any perception of comfort, you will be sufficiently motivated to move on to greener pastures. Just as people have different physical pain thresholds, they also have varying thresholds of tolerance for workplace doldrums.

        • #3160861

          well said kernal

          by shellbot ·

          In reply to Moving On

          some of us have easier choices. I for one am a second income to the family. I have an incredibly low threshold for boredom and after about 18 months or so, if not given new tasks or things to learn, i get “wanderlust”.
          Even now, i’m in a good place, making good money, but its been about a year and 3 months, and if a few things don’t change soon, i’ll probably look for something new. I am financially able to do this, so i am lucky. Others have to hang on for the money or experience.

          Having said that, whats wrong with putting your resume out there and seeing what happens? I mean, you can do a couple interveiws and maybe even get an offer, you can always turn it down and stay where you are can’t you? But it might just show you what is out there and give you an idea if you are better off where you are.

          You never know untill you try 🙂

        • #3160320

          I don’t quite understand

          by j_most ·

          In reply to Good Advice…Just doing it

          When you say money, are you scared that you won’t make the same amount somewhere else? or that the new job won’t be as stable?

          If your skillset will allow you to make the same or more in another company then you should definitely try to make a change to keep growing.

        • #3159942

          Always keep one foot in the foot door…

          by usokz ·

          In reply to Good Advice…Just doing it

          I have been in your shoes before…money…the tie that binds!…but when the complacency wears thin…check out what is out there…doesn’t hurt…and if you find something better so be it!

    • #3160086

      Easier said than done

      by abhoust ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      I can relate definitely relate I have been employed by the same company for 10 years. When you have done all you can, although you financially can?t take the hit….you have to put your resume out and start the search somewhere. Yes, the grass is not always greener on the other side. What are the sacrifices you are willing to make, change usually involves sacrifices ? How bad do you want the change?

    • #3160706

      80/20 rule

      by roysten ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      Paul Zane Pilzer has quoted something like this:

      When one starts to work, most will spend 80% of time learning and 20% doing actual work.

      So how do you know when it’s time to move on? Paul says its when you find yourself spending 80% of time doing work and 20% or less learning.

      And it does not necessary mean to move on to different companies. It can be moving between departments so long as one continues to learn new things.

      I think this should be practical advice for most people.

      • #3160669

        watch yourself

        by enderle.matt ·

        In reply to 80/20 rule

        I have been sort of playing the field.. just got out of college and no mortgage or family I have the luxury to get a job and see how I think the long term benefits will be, or not be.

        I have been at 1 small consultanting firm, and 3 extremely large companies (cardinal health, nationwide global headquarters, etc)

        The larger companies have side effects. Yes, it is a steady paycheck and that has its benefits but in a smaller company if you make suggestions to negative things that directly affects you where as in a large company your just a number.. just like office space. (the place im currently at, nationwide, has over 22,000 employees). As you would think there would be much room to grow and move up in the company thats not entirely true.

        It would take years for that to happen (5+) and even when you really deserve that promotion that guy in those shoes isn’t leaving until he retires or dies (who feels like waiting around?)

        Smaller companies that have a good angle on the IT industry or have something that is steady as far as growth is typically your better choice (at least in my opinion) b/c you can ride the wave.. when it makes more money and the owner sees that you have contributed a massive amount of the positive changes and work load, he will give you more money to keep you around and the job will constantly change b/c the work that is required will change.

        I’m sure you have heard of the phrase.. keep the low low and the high high.. that applies so dearly in corporate america.. I keep thinking back to office space..lol

        You make your dicision – if you know the right people in your area you might be able to start in at a good position to move up – but I don’t see too many young execs clearing 6 figures… most of those guys are over 40 which makes me want to think they were already successful apon coming into the company or they rode that wave when the company blew up and now are sitting in good shoes b/c of it.

        Good luck with your possible job change!

        • #3160576

          What If?

          by poppawookie ·

          In reply to watch yourself

          You know, all this advice sounds great; HOWEVER, what if there is really no career ladder to climb? I think you got it right when you said that the only way up in most companies is for someone to leave or die before the ladder can even be approached.

          The grass IS greener on the other side until one makes it to the proverbial other side and finds out that just aint so.

        • #3147052

          simple

          by avid ·

          In reply to What If?

          leave. at some places, there is no ladder to climb. for example, family owned and operated. this should be a warning to anyone who is not family. you will work your butt off, increase profits, and never see any promotion.

        • #3147103

          re: small company

          by avid ·

          In reply to watch yourself

          i worked for a small company for 3 years. i also thought that if i brought in more money for the small company that i would see more money from the owners. and i did. my tiny salary increased from 21,000 to 30,000 and i got a $500.00 bonus at christmas. mean while since i started working there, the owners bought 6 motorcycles and 2 brand new high dollar vehicles and took 4 vacations a years, a luxury they could not afford before i came on board with there company. i increased the profits at that little company by $276,000.00 per year.(i checked the billing program) when i confronted the owner for more money, they replied, “we just can’t afford it.” so i left. so be careful hiring on at a small company. there may be room for growth, that does not mean you will be allowed to grow.

      • #3159005

        I like that advice

        by gdellacroce@grnroselle ·

        In reply to 80/20 rule

        I have been “doing” for a lot of years. 15 years at one place as MIS Manager. I always felt I was learning there however. We kept pushing the tech. Then new CEO came in, move the company out of state, tossed all we had done for a package system. Yup, time to run away, not walk.

        I wonder if “learning” is not a direct relationship to the “learning” going on in the company. If the company has stopped, how long do you have?

    • #3160524

      Looking around can make you feel better

      by goal120 ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      Sometimes I find that looking around makes me want to stay where I am. Either the other options out there appear the same or worse, or just the act of looking satisfies my wanderlust.

      If the wanderlust (or mind-numbing boredom) keeps coming back with more frequency, then the “looking around” becomes a serious search.

      Strangely, it seems like when you send out a few resumes or even get a nibble, your current job suddenly becomes so satisfying and fun, and everyone you work with is just SO great! Murphy’s Law I guess. Does this happen to anyone else?

      So either way, it is good to look once in awhile.

    • #3159004

      Time to take inventory

      by craig_b ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      It sounds like it’s time to an inventory of your personal goals and desires. I’m kind of in the same boat as you and wonder about the same things. Here are some questions that may help

      What are your personal/professional goals?
      What are the advantages/disadvantages of your current job?
      What are the intanagables (location, morale, job satisfaction, etc.)worth?
      What growth opportunities are their?
      What training is available? What is the cost to you?
      What are your personal commitments (family time, mortage/rent, etc.)?
      What are the risks/benefits of changing jobs?
      Describe your ideal job. Where do you have the best chance to reach this?

      • #3159523

        Goal-oriented behavior

        by dr_zinj ·

        In reply to Time to take inventory

        Craig_B hit very close to the target with his list.

        It boils down to knowing what you really want, and then doing things that take you in that direction.

        Now I also have one other observation and bit of advice.

        If you do like most programs suggest, and create immediate (months – 2 years), short-term (3-5 years), and long term goals (>5 years), you will definately achieve the immediate goals, and probably your short-term goals. You may eventually achieve your long term goals.

        The fastest way to boredom, dissatisfaction, ennuie, career & life stagnation, and early death is to achieve your goals and not set new ones.

        You set out to get that advanced degree, to get that big house, to get that management job, to raise your kids, and then what?

        It’s time to reevaluate, and set new goals to strive for.

        To borrow a quote from David Gerrold, “The process continues until you are dead.” Are you going to fight your way into the future trying to make a difference, or fade away into obscurity and oblivion?

    • #3158991

      Sunday Night Question

      by gdellacroce@grnroselle ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      when you come to Sunday Night and are saying “Oh my God, I have to go back to that job again” it may be time to call a friend or two, ask them to listen to your pain, if they can agree it is time to say bye bye:
      – Put together a short list of cool things you have done at the company.
      – Put together a short list of the screwups that you have done at the company.
      – Ask yourself what you learned from the later, and what made the former go so well.
      – Ask around your network of professionals you know (you do have a network, right??) and see who is doing more and better things that you listed out.
      – Ask for references to people/company hiring managers that may be doing those things. Ask for 30 minutes of face to face time (lunch, afterwork, weekends) to talk about your cool talents.
      – Find a super recruiter that knows your industry, will spend time asking you about your talents not your skills, and see if there is any activity in your area of passion and talent. (Don’t just send a resume and say find me interviews, because that is what you will get)
      – Be sure that the greener grass is NOT over the septic tank of the company.
      – Sign up for some cool classes OUTSIDE of your expertice area. Find out what is outside the box!

      Have fun, no one ever was sad they didn’t spend more time at work when they come to the end of life.

    • #3158737

      Time to move from a job

      by nirman123_doshi ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      If you are satisfied in term of your career growth and also by your renumeration, then you “only” need to move from a job, when u get a job which offers more career growth, and more renumeration than your current. But if you are satisfied at only either end, and if you are much dissatisfied at the other end then you should start a move right now only. But then u need to decide the priority that is, career growth or renumeration. For me, both the things are important, but i can compromise upto some extent with renumeration for career growth.
      All the best buddy.

    • #3159228

      The grass may be greener but you still have to mow it

      by scunnin ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      Dependencies are: What is your local market? Have you contacted local outsourcing (TekSystems or some such temp agency?) Would you relocate?

      • #3159574

        Create your life

        by ladyqa ·

        In reply to The grass may be greener but you still have to mow it

        Everyone has contributed excellent advice. Take a bit from all of them. I once heard that if the grass is greener on the other side, it’s time to water your lawn! Look at your company, are there goals they want to achieve that you can become excited about? Are there initiatives that you can introduce or support? Do go to some interviews, they are good for the soul. It’s good to network and when you get to tell your story, it confirms your worth. Be sure to interview those companies thoroughly as well. It’s your life, your choices. The best advice I can give is to create movement though, don’t wait and get more frustrated or nervous about change. Do get out there and start looking within your company as well. The bad news is that when it comes to money, usually (unless a small-med sized firm) you will not be able to get a significant raise unless you leave the company. Do your homework, how much do you make? Take in to account vacations, vested investments, health care costs, etc. Then figure how much of a raise you want. An educated choice should make you more comfortable. Check out “Ask The Headhunter”, good advice there as well. Oh, also, remember to acknowledge that you will have the experience you desire! A good old affirmation helps the positive energy guide you! Good luck in your future!

    • #3159562

      Breaking golden handcuffs…

      by jimw305 ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      The days of working for one company and retiring are gone.

      I have hired and fired people for over 18 years. After 16-18 yrs of loyal service most comanies will terminate you if they think they can save $0.50/yr.

      I believe that the fastest way to higher pay and promotion is by jumping jobs every 2-3 yrs. More often than that you start to look like and unstable prospect to a new employer.

      Remember, it’s always easier to find a job when you have a job.

      Good luck.

    • #3147839

      You will know when it’s time

      by theisey ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      If you’re asking the question, then you’re half-way there. It’s time to move on when:

      – you’ve out-grown the job
      – you’re unmotivated and a long vacation doesn’t solve it
      – you’re ready (demanding) new challenges
      – the pain & strain of the job out-weighs the advantages of the job

      You will never know if the new job is better or worse than your current job, but that should not stop you. Life is full of risks, but if you are carefull, ask the right questions, and check out the company, you can reduce the amount of risk greatly. Besides, moving on often means moving up and that’s always a good thing!

      • #3147057

        I agree

        by rfraysier ·

        In reply to You will know when it’s time

        The fact that you’re asking means it’s time. I stayed at my last job too long. I’m usually an upbeat person and I found myself complaining all the time. I didn’t like who I had become and moved on. Best decision I could have made.

        I read somewhere that the average person makes 11 job changes in their career. Where are you in yours?

    • #3161325

      13 Years !!!

      by avid ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      i think it is time to move on. i was in your situation about 6 months ago and decided to start my own business. i made the leap and now i am excited about work again. mostly because i know that every dime i make is coming straight to my pocket, but also because you become the master of your own destiny so to speak.

    • #3147048

      if you have been there this long

      by avid ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      and you are not happy there, you never will be. i dare say that after 13 years if you are not at least close to the top of the ladder, then it is definately time to move on.

    • #3147023

      time to bounce?

      by michael_headlam ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      May I be so bold as to suggest that you already know the answer to this question?
      It is time to go my friend. However you need to ask yourself a few questions;
      What are you looking for as far as a career is concerned. Do you want to work for more money? More responsibility, travel, or do you want to open your own business? Do you see a need that is not being met?
      If you are going to start a new business it would be best to remain where you are for 2 reasons, secure income; the pay may be small but it is sure and you can use the present job to learn how (and how not to run a business)
      So now you may be asking when will I know its time to ?bounce up out of there??
      When the income from the new business equals or exceeds your present one.
      One other thing, when you do leave, do so with a good name.

    • #3146788

      Get the feelers out

      by jdclyde ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      See what else is out there. Unless you are able to come in as the new “expert”, you will have to regain a lot of ground.

      The other think to do is see what about Tech DOES interest you, and talk to your boss about moving in that direction.

      • #3146166

        Know thyself and The Company

        by ayyazo ·

        In reply to Get the feelers out

        Our industry is quite dynamic compared to the one 10-15 years ago. Companies appear and vanish quickly; get acquired etc. So you have to be well aware where you company is moving to. (I was in a renowned tech company of our area last year. There were rumours and signs of liquidation but the management was convincing us of the boom. Alas! the kaboom happened before many could realize it.)

        Seeking a job when you are out of job, let other companies manipulate you because of your situation. So make sure you switch before the lights go out.

        Some of the previous responses are really great in terms of setting, achieving goals, knowing yourself. It is better to evaluate yourself from time to time, to be aware of your worth and to measure your goals meter.

        Best of Luck for the Career Advances.

    • #3147273

      When to quit.

      by ataylor230 ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      It is an acknowledged fact that after 4 years you know everything there is to know about a job and even the last year you are coasting. Quit every 4 years and expand. stay in the field but move and move and move and eventually you will know enough to go into business for yourself. It dlesnt hurt to be continually taking courses every year either. Not always related to the profession.

    • #3146505

      Different idea maybe volunteer…

      by ryoung2 ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      I am in a position where there is no upward path but the money/work conditions are too good to pass on. I volunteer to do work in another area that is computer related but not what I do at work. I also take night school courses in another discipline to keep up to date and sharpen my skill set. Just a suggestion that may make work less drudgery.

    • #3146462

      When the Peter Principle has overtaken you

      by too old for it ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      Say you are a techie, red hot sysadmin … but you find yourself all day doing call center incident tracking reports “because you are good at it”.

    • #3146445

      Its good to try your luck

      by rj22 ·

      In reply to When To Call Time At Your Firm

      I have also been in the same boat as you. Over 12 years in the same company. However there is no harm in updating your resume and sending it to a few selected job opportunities which you may find interesting. If called upon you may even attend interviews and there is no obligation to accept the jobs.

      Although I have so far not changed jobs I have been to a few interviews and found them to be highly educative, able identify my short comings, improve self confidence, and understand different perspectives. In the process you never know you may find a gold nugget. Also should not over do this as you may be branded as -ve person (especially if you go through recruiting agents).
      Best wishes!

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