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    Who to Hire???


    by ___.__ ·

    Experience aside….

    Who do I hire?

    The self taught IT guy, this being his first IT gig???


    The guy with the certification, this being his first IT gig???

    Is the paper worth anything or not?

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    • #3213537

      All aspects have to be looked at

      by mjd420nova ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      If that is the only determining factors that will guide the decision, then I would have to go with the self taught individual. The main reasons are the experience, and that can only be gotten with hands on. Almost any one with half a mind can complete a course and get the certification, but the book does not teach the real world, as things are. The first realization comes when the book worm finds that things are not as they were taught in the classes. The self taught has seen the real world and learned it the way it is. Just like a skilled IT person who comes to a job and inherits a very sloppy and cluttered server room, too many others have have their hands in the works previously and has been forced to work with what was there. If we all could have had a first time certified person when the process was started, it might be as the book taught, but we all know that’s a pipe dream. Most systems are a conglomeration of many partial installs on top of each other, often on top of older technology and with limited budgets. Making due with what you have seems to be the basic guidelines and few businesses can start from the ground up to build and implement systems that are to become the backbone of the business. Doing it right is the goal, but doing it cheaply and quickly is the mandate. Meeting goals make for short cuts and putting ten pounds of crap in a five pound box makes for some awful messes and equaly messy solutions. You see, it compounds itself and few employers realize this and are willing to go back to square one and do it right.

    • #3213436

      As we have told you exhaustively

      by tig2 ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      The situation and job requirements will drive the appropriate hiring decision.

      The (lack of) name is familiar, Spuddy. Sorry you didn’t get it the first time.

      Somehow I don’t think that many will bother with this discussion. We have already had it. What you may expereince is newer members responding that don’t know your history. Or you could experience thread hijack. Hard to call so early in the game.

      Incidentally, if you decide you want to hijack my icon again, have at it. Anything to promote awareness…

    • #3213428

      This is a hard decision, and should not be answered lightly

      by jdclyde ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      I can’t decide if I want steak stir-fry or if I want a nice Tbone steak on the grill. Both sound good.

      I have had the grill fired up, but never got around to doing steak this year. No boys tonight, so it might be a good idea to do a practice run without them to get back in the swing of things.

      Checklist, I will have to get some steak, some potatos, and better pick up some more Kingsford as I was near the end of the bag last time. Ohhhh, I know. Some hickory chips would be good too! Just need time to let them soak.

      Should I do corn? Naaa. Too much work for just myself. A few potatos and a steak sounds good to me.

      • #3213398

        I appreciate the difficulty you are having here.

        by tig2 ·

        In reply to This is a hard decision, and should not be answered lightly

        I would DEFINITELY go for the steak and spud combo. It is my preference for Saturday nights after a long walk.

        Found some WONDERFUL porters that were excellent on the grill. Can’t keep my partner away from the grill- stove hardly gets used.

        Get some charcoal and fire that baby up. Anything is better on the grill!

        • #3213378

          That is where training helps

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I appreciate the difficulty you are having here.

          I have been teaching my boys how to make the grill smoke to give off more flavor. Without the smoke, it just isn’t the same.

          Porterhouse does sound good. The filet is the BET part of the cow. A local chinese place used to make “Steak KOW”. Stir-fried Fillet with veggies! Too bad they shut down and it is now just a buffet! 🙁

          Do you do any of the “rubs” or keep it simple with salt/pepper? I have a hard time covering A good cut of meat with anything. BBQ sauce is for covering up your mistakes!

        • #3213361

          Experience makes a difference

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to That is where training helps

          I use a light rub of liquified garlic in a tad of olive oil. Then a sprinkling of Montreal Steak seasoning by Mc Cormick. I have blended something similar but have little time to mess with it.

          For something lighter- and assuming you have more time- fresh rosemary (leaves only) in a mortar and pestle with half a garlic clove and a bit of olive oil. Grind well and rub. It is VERY light- the oil only acts as a carrier so you don’t get the oily taste.

          I DO try to avoid salt before cooking. It doesn’t really impact well. I use a fresh grinding of sea salt at the table but if you choose to use a sauce, it is often unnecessary.

          If you like mushrooms and onions, take a tablespoon of REAL butter- not margerine- and add the sliced mushroom of your choice- I like bellas- and VERY thinly sliced onion. Create a foil packet of the above and add the herbs of your choice- I use onion, garlic, parsley, and rosemary. Remember to put a small slit in the foil package before putting on the grill. Start about a minute or two before the steaks hit the grill. We manage to a rare or “softly mooing” time for the meat. This mix will even refrigerate and re-warm.

          Nice to know that training and experience can come together…

          Edit- subtract one letter, add another…

        • #3213331

          That does it

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to Experience makes a difference

          Because of you two now I’m jealous [b]and[/b] hungry. I think a trip to Taco Belch is in my near future.

        • #3213996


          by cmiller5400 ·

          In reply to Experience makes a difference

          Dang it. Now I want a Porterhouse! Guess, I will be firing up the grill tonight 🙂 I usually use a tiny bit of salt, more pepper, and a little powdered garlic on my steaks. But for the cheaper cuts, I like the Jack Daniels BBQ sauce for it. The more expensive cuts don’t need BBQ sauce unless you forget about them on the grill :p

        • #3213986


          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Mmmmmmmm….

          bbq sauce is for cheap cuts of meat and mistakes!

          I cook with salt, and then don’t even bother having it on the table.

          If you have to add salt at the table, it wasn’t made right! That goes for All FOOD!

          And I HATE the people that dump crap on their food before even TASTING it! How do you KNOW it needs more salt? grrrrrr. Not in my house, bucko! 😀

          Enjoy that steak! ;\

        • #3213929


          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Exactly!

          I agree about the salt..except when it comes to corn on the cob. It has to have butter and the grainy feel of salt just sprinkled. Of course, that is what I ate LAST time when I got so sick, so it might be awhile before I can think about corn on the cob. urgh..

        • #3213799

          Your Recipe sounds

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to Experience makes a difference

          a bit like my lazy recipe, except I omit mushrooms and go with grilled onions on top of the steak (after cooked).

          Also, I add Lee&Perrins sauce to the mix (and freshly (crushed and wet) Garlic.

          Another recipe is to use the Grill Mates as a base and go from there (personally I choose the Mesquite Marinade).
          other than those, it gets complicated and takes a lot longer.

      • #3231960


        by wingedmonkey ·

        In reply to This is a hard decision, and should not be answered lightly

        It does a body good

        • #3231934

          Half our meals are steak

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Steak!!!!!!

          on the weeks I have my boys. Steak stir-fry, steak fajitas, steak wraps, steak chili. mmmmmm.

          It is twice as apreciated by the boys, because they were getting hamburger helper, but now they are getting off-brand hamburger helper. ewwwww! :p

          The funny thing is, most people don’t realize a sirloin is about about $2 more for a meal than ground chuck is. Round steak is even less. When your cooking it in something, both of those cuts work just fine! 😀

          On the weeks I am alone, I don’t because it usually is too much effort for one person. Make a batch of chili or something, and then reheat in the microwave for a few daze.

          How do you do your steak? You didn’t add in your method! Share with the class! 😀

        • #3231924


          by jaqui ·

          In reply to Half our meals are steak

          blade steak.
          with rough-cut bbbbbbbbbll pepers, tomatos, steak spice and butter.

          cut the steak into bite sized [ or smaller ] cubes, toss it all into a baking pan, cover in foil and toss onto the grill, not a really hot grill.
          let it cook for about 1/2 hour.

          the acid in the tomato, and the slow cooking style, makes the cheap blade steak very tender. 🙂
          [spuds in foil with butter, salt ndpepper, slice the spuds into thick slabs and they take about 45 minutes on the grill. ]

          though the pepper steak mix actually goes great on rice or pasta.

        • #3231918

          Blade Steak?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to hey!!

          I have never heard of that cut, so I of course had to look it up.

          Almost a roast. Not sure if the local meat market would have this or not, as I would have just assumed it was a roast by looking at it.

          “steak spice”, you simply MUST explain this a little better.

          Would the tomato be placed OVER the meat or just thrown in the pan?

          That looks like just the ticket for another change of pace without lowering the quality of the meal! Wunderbar! 😀

        • #3276988


          by jaqui ·

          In reply to Blade Steak?

          it’s the cheapest steak possible cost wise.
          if not done right then it’s also the toughest.

          the green, red, yellow peppers and tomatos and steak pieces are all mixed up together.

          steak spice = Montreal Style Steak Spice, coarse ground black pepper, salt, course chopped garlic, lemon pepper…. a mix of spices that are great on steaks.

          essentially, you are stewing the meat in the tomato juice.

          change the blade to say sirloin, and saute it in a skillet and you get the same thing, a pepper steak saute.

    • #3213372

      Paper vs self taught

      by crashoverider ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      I would have to say you have to decide who would fit better in to the department. The self taught guy sounds like he would be good for a job where he would be on his own and the certification guy sounds like he would be good for like a help desk answering position.

      Remember with IT there is usually a lot of face to face or phone to phone contact so the type of personality would go a long way.

      • #3213359

        Crash- a quick note

        by tig2 ·

        In reply to Paper vs self taught

        The poster is a troll who opened this discussion about two months ago for the sole purpose of flaming respondants.

        I KNOW that he has mended his ways and will not do such a thing any more.

        After he was banned, all he could do was recreate himself. Pity.

        Your points are excellent. I know that you are responding in good faith.

        • #3214044

          Sorry didn’t mean to feed the trolls

          by crashoverider ·

          In reply to Crash- a quick note

          I did not know he was banned.

          Some of my posts may anger people (specifically the ones related to government intervention) and I am sure some people may call me a troll but I post what I believe is the truth.

        • #3214035


          by ___.__ ·

          In reply to Sorry didn’t mean to feed the trolls

          Call that food. Not worth the bits that created it. CO more like BO.

        • #3214022

          Hey CrashO,

          by old guy ·

          In reply to Sorry didn’t mean to feed the trolls

          I thought some of your posts in one discussion bordered on the ridiculous (my opinion) and we may cross swords over some things in the future but you are definitely not a troll.

          Maybe if we can hang a sign Don’t Feed The Trolls when they’re about that might help… :^0

        • #3214014

          A big diference

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Sorry didn’t mean to feed the trolls

          between your posts Crash and troll posts.

          A troll just posts inflamatory posts to get people wound up. Expressing your opintion, even if it is wrong, is not being a troll. (not saying your posts are wrong, just covering worst case scenerios).

          don’t you know some people are too stupid to care for themselves and NEED government intervention to take their homes to make a higher tax base? Where have you been? 😀

        • #3214009

          There is a big difference between having an opinion

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Sorry didn’t mean to feed the trolls

          And being a troll. I have read your posts. I have found them to be thought out and concise. I have never seen you flame someone. I have never seen you intentionally troll.

          This idiot- a whole different story.

        • #3230293

          Gee, and I was going to say …

          by too old for it ·

          In reply to Crash- a quick note

          hire the self taught guy because you can always buy him the certs later.

    • #3213302

      Be a hard one.

      by jim_p ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      You would have to look at their resume, or in the interview try and put to them situations and let them explain how they will deal with it, see which ones have the best experience and solutions. Because you might just get some one who has the hands on experience with the certifications, but I usually have to agree, it’s the people who have learnt for themselves, and mostly it’s the experience you are after not the paper.

      Kind Regards,

    • #3213272

      Just ask a few questions

      by zlitocook ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      What have you been doing, what do you like doing, what do you want to do?
      What is your current computer spec’s, tell me about what is going on with Microsoft and the new patches. Can you update a computer in the field with out any help?

    • #3213195


      by now left tr ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      You are the this suddy_m! What is with the ___.__?

      As for your question, well to be honest neither would be good enough. IF I had to decide then some kind of test would be needed. It would be the only fair way to tell them apart.

      Paper ? depends if it is small and has a denomination on it (or not)

      • #3213148

        A bit of historical trivia

        by tig2 ·

        In reply to So

        You came into the discussion WAY at the end. I believe that you observed that it looked like a battlefield after a war.

        Thus my response that this question has been exhaustively answered.

        Kicking back waiting for the flames to start…

        This yoda is the reason that you were not welcomed as warmly as you might have wished. Unfortunately, timing was against you.

        • #3213081

          Actually, Tig2

          by old guy ·

          In reply to A bit of historical trivia

          TechMail brought that on his own by some of his childish actions and comments. However, with that said he is still not even close to the id10t Spuddy_M. TechMail would probably still be welcomed to stay around if he wants to but I would suggest he matures just a little bit. Just my opinion for what it’s worth.

        • #3214053

          Come a long way baby!

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Actually, Tig2

          but still got a ways to go.

          Sure, because of timing people already had their feathers ruffled, but it didn’t start with spuddy. it goes back to Not_Underage. Now THERE was a tool.

          After that, there were a few, but easy to ignore, but it did start to build the more you ignored. Dawg did jump on a few nicely (wonder how he is doing?)

          I had a VERY low opinion of Techmail because of the way he/she carried him/herself. There has been some improvement, but he/she will just have to decide the role he/she wants in TR. (I HATE not knowing gender!)

          To be part of the group, you have to fit in. to stay an outside and just be an annoyance is also an option, but for the life of me I can’t understand why someone would bother. I do think he/she has made an effort, and will be given the benifit of the doubt, just like Justice was. He isn’t a bad kid, just needed to learn this isn’t a yahoo board or something along that line.

        • #3214039

          Fun topic

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to Come a long way baby!

          Hey JD, maybe we should to a top 10 ‘TR Tools’ list? 😀

        • #3214034

          Don’t know, Jelli

          by old guy ·

          In reply to Fun topic

          Do you think that would give them incentive to outdo each other and really get in the way here?

        • #3214021

          I have to agree with OG

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Fun topic

          A wall of shame would be a coveted spot for any troll worth their salt!

          Still, always grand to see you making it out more lately Jell! 😀

        • #3214006

          I nominate the Spud

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Fun topic

          for the Top Five. Underage is likely in first place…

        • #3214003

          Just be careful

          by old guy ·

          In reply to I nominate the Spud

          tossing about their names. They might hear and decide to come back. Oh, perish the thought!!!!


        • #3213991


          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I nominate the Spud

          I have never seen worse, here or elsewhere….

        • #3213824


          by ___.__ ·

          In reply to I nominate the Spud

          TOP 5 !!!!!!!!!!!!- Must get to number 1 now…

        • #3213803

          Sorry Troll Boy

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to I nominate the Spud

          You can’t get ther, you never WILL get there and you are only a minor annoyance.

          Don’t even think that you are in our league. You are a pissant that only gets notice because it amuses us to hijack your threads.

          Go over the top? Don’t see it happening. You just don’t have what it takes.

          You are a SORRY bastard, aren’t you?

        • #3213785

          I dunno, Tig

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to I nominate the Spud

          He IS pretty witty. I don’t know if we’re up to the task..

        • #3214030

          Thanks, JD. I had already

          by old guy ·

          In reply to Come a long way baby!

          forgotten that id10t’s name! Thanks, for putting it back in the memory banks. X-( You are correct–that was the idiot that started it.

          I agree with your summation on TechMail and I do hope he/she gets the idea and fits in. 🙂

        • #3214011


          by now left tr ·

          In reply to A bit of historical trivia

          As in ‘Yoda Flame’ Streetfighter 2? 🙂

        • #3214001

          More like

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Yoda?

          Me trying to not call him what I am thinking. 🙂

          Smeghead does nicely for him. Didn’t think of it earlier.

          Don’t know Yoda Flame so can’t say it is an equivalent.

          I SO don’t like this guy…

      • #3214038


        by ___.__ ·

        In reply to So

        yea you wish techmail. Techmail?, who would use such a stupid name.
        Suggest you get a life like the rest of the stuffed up people around here. Think you are better than me do you?

        • #3214037


          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to Oh!

          You are toooo funny!!! 😀 :^0

        • #3214032

          Jelli, I think

          by old guy ·

          In reply to LMAO

          he is one of the higher (lower) ups from here:

          (Note: No, you don’t have to turn the volume down on this one. 🙂 )

        • #3213975

          May be right

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to Jelli, I think

          Perhaps VP of BS? :p

        • #3214031

          Take a

          by now left tr ·

          In reply to Oh!

          giant chill pill mate. What is with this ‘Hangman Game for a Name’ then?


        • #3214017

          When will you kids ever learn?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Take a

          “E” is much more common than “A”. X-(

          I can see you swinging from the gallows already… :0

        • #3213998


          by tig2 ·

          In reply to Take a

          The history- Readers Digest Condensed Version…

          Last time troll boy was here, he hijacked my ID and icon. Then he changed his name about 6 or 7 more times until he altered the original post (to what you see now- apology for an unknown “guest” abusing a corporate system- although that may change again…). Then he changed to _____.___.

          Love your current hangman icon- fit nicely with your post.

        • #3213825


          by ___.__ ·

          In reply to Take a

          Shut it Techmail. You will never guess it anyway, idiot.

        • #3213807

          It’s Morse Code

          by now left tr ·

          In reply to NO,NO,NO

          for K = -.-

          So not so special K it is then!

        • #3231930

          don’t you know your scripting better than that?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to It’s Morse Code

          There is no “!” at the beginning, so where does the “not” come from? :0

          We are talking short bus special hear, all the way! :^0

        • #3213777

          If you see Kay

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to NO,NO,NO

          why owe ewe. Idjit.

          This is not Morse Code. More like an old cryptogram.

    • #3213980

      porkchop night!

      by jdclyde ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      It has been a while since having porkchops, and after eating ribs last weekend, pork sounds good! 😀

      I will make half of them with bbq sauce, just so people get a variety to choose from!

      What are you having for dinner?

      Hmmmm, now I have to think of a side dish. Have to swing by the farmers market on the way home and see what looks good. got the boys for the night, so maybe some corn! :p

      Oh look! It’s lunch time!

      • #3213966

        Had chops last night

        by tig2 ·

        In reply to porkchop night!

        Thinking chicken on the grill, have some fresh corn on the cob.


        Made potato salad yesterday but am thinking Ceasar would be good.

        I shall ponder…

        • #3213876

          Go with Ceasar

          by cmiller5400 ·

          In reply to Had chops last night

          A awesome Ceasar recipie

          Marinate 6 or so shrimp for each person in olive oil, lemon juice and garlic. Skewer the shrimp (don’t forget to soak the wooden skewers!!) and BBQ until done to pink (burn them if you so choose, but that’s no way to eat a shrimp ]:) ) Add to romain lettuce with your favorite ceasar dressing a couple of shavings of parmesan reggiano and serve with Naan flat bread. To die for!!

          EDIT: spelling error

      • #3213912


        by old guy ·

        In reply to porkchop night!

        Grill onions (Vidalia if they’re still around) Yellow Squash, and Peppers (red and/or green) marinated in Italian Dressing and placed on skewers. Should cook about the same time as the chops. Fantastic!

    • #3213956

      How many Cert Papered people . . . .

      by a.techno.geek ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      Have you seen be able to do the job? I have a degree in Information Systems school and self taught. Well not really when I was 16 I went to a Unit Record school and graduated actually before High School, but at least the Unit Record was a formal education, graduated with a diploma.

      In my personal opinion I would not give you to plugs for the cert guy. Anybody can book and test, I say prove what you have. That is the true test.

      • #3213823

        Right Then….

        by ___.__ ·

        In reply to How many Cert Papered people . . . .

        “I have a degree in Information Systems school and self taught. Well not really…”

        What is your point caller. You either DO or DONT!!!

        “I would not give you to plugs for the cert guy…
        On what basis then??”
        They actually decided to show they could instead of just sitting around saying they could.

    • #3213951


      by jellimonsta ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      Winner gets the job!! 😀

      • #3213948

        Too funny, Jelli

        by tig2 ·

        In reply to Easy

        I wonder if I could bring a pair to my next requirements meeting? Would certainly be more effective than what generally goes on.

        How are you doing? I assume you are back home? You okay?

        • #3213945

          OK, thanks Tig!!

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to Too funny, Jelli

          It was good to go back home and be there for my uncle. I ended up staying with him at his place so it was very good to be there, although kind of hard too.
          Kind of back to normal now. I got back last week and started back to work and actually studying for my last CCSP test (which I passed on Friday) so it was a little crazy.
          Hopefully things will calm down enough for me to slack off on TR now and again now though. 😀

        • #3213941


          by tig2 ·

          In reply to OK, thanks Tig!!

          I don’t even want to think how hard passing CCSP is. I’m working on CISSP- compliance and privacy side- and it is tough enough. I am proof that you HAVE to keep learning. Otherwise it all goes away…

          Good to hear that life is returning to normal for you. I think we sent all the heat your way for now- expect to see some better weather. It is rather nice here today and I think you get our weather about a day later.

          Look for rain tomorrow… unless the weather person is wrong as usual!

        • #3213896

          Weatherperson…. wrong??

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to Congratulations!

          How can you even think such a thing??! 🙂

          I am going to start on my CCVP next, then I may look at the CISSP. I went through some online learning for the CISSP a few years ago, but never took the test. 🙁

          Hope all is well in MN. 😀

    • #3213930

      Another simple solution

      by m_a_r_k ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      Hire the self-taught guy with the certification.

      • #3213923


        by maecuff ·

        In reply to Another simple solution

        Where the hell have you been, dude? I mean, if you ARE the same MunderscoreAunderscoreRunderscoreK that we all know and love..

        • #3213819

          Yep I’m that MunderscoreAunderscoreRunderscoreK

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Mark??

          I took a vacation in Kumbali Lygnot for the last few weeks. Unfortunately, I was subsequently kidnapped…er, man-napped, by a band of insurgent rebels bent on the destruction and hencheforth the overthrow of the Kumbalian Lygnotian government. I was then used as a pawn in the insurgents’ negotiations with said government. Said government didn’t buckle under to the demands of said insurgents and I was threatened with beatings and ticklings many times during my captivity. I soon began to plot my escape. Said escape required me to imitate a tree, a bat and a rhinocerous. Who says that rhinoceri can’t swim? Hell, I swam across the freakin’ Pacific Ocean in my rhinocerous persona. Stupid insurgents can’t row a boat to save their grimy souls.

        • #3213814


          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Yep I’m that MunderscoreAunderscoreRunderscoreK

          Ummm..I went to Indiana for vacation. To visit my in-laws. And I got food poisoning.

        • #3213809

          You’re lucky the Indians only food poisoned you

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Wow..

          What was worse? Being food poisoned by the Indians or having to pretend you like the in-laws? Back in the days of the Wild, Wild West, Indians didn’t stop at food poisoning. They scalped the white man. This is one vacation that I would have advised you NOT to take. A vacation amongst bloodthirsty Indians AND scurrilous in-laws? Jiminy Christmas!

        • #3213805

          Had I only

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You’re lucky the Indians only food poisoned you

          talked to you first.. oh well. I didn’t get scalped, so there is that. Although I did recently lose my hairdresser. Don’t you just hate having to find a new one? How do I know the new person will get my highlights just right? And what if they miss some of the gray? I may begin looking older than 29. And we can’t have that.

        • #3231851

          It’s better to lose your hairdresser….

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Had I only

          than to lose your hair. If you’re like most women, getting your highlights right is the highlight of your day. Personally, I’m more interested in a woman’s headlights than her highlights. 😉 Mae, don’t worry about looking 29 forever. Only certain extraordinary people like me can do that. And don’t you remember that on your birthday I told you you’re not getting better, but you are getting older? 😡

        • #3231830

          I DO remember that..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Had I only

          And thank you..that was very sweet. (tool).

          I don’t really like getting my hair done, it takes too long, but I’m not willing to look like I have tinsel on my head quite yet..

        • #3231826

          Another bit of advice

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Had I only

          Don’t die your hair jet black when you’re 75 years old. Some little old ladies do that but I guess they don’t realize that it looks stupid for a decrepit, 75-year old great-grandma to have jet black hair. Similar advice to 75-year old men who wear an ill-fitting dark black toupee.

          Oh, and don’t wear a bikini swimsuite when you’re 75. Similar advice to 75-year old men not to wear speedos. Well, actually, guys shouldn’t wear speedos at any age. That’s disgusting.

        • #3231822

          Very good advice

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Had I only

          Jet black hair at any age is a bit harsh. There is a woman who works at Walmart here in my little town, who has thinning long jet black hair. You can see her white, shiny scalp through the jet black strands. Not attractive. Also, as long as we’re giving advice..don’t go toothless. There is another woman in town, who drives a new vehicle, bowls 6 nights a week, yet doesn’t have her two front teeth. I’m thinking, if I didn’t have my two front teeth, I’d forgo a few nights of bowling, buy a used car and spend a little of that money on TEETH. I don’t care how gorgeous the rest of you is, if you don’t have your two front teeth, you’re just goofy looking.

          And I agree on the speedos. They should be banned.

        • #3231816

          Here is a visual for you

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Had I only

          I wear a speedo. Dark Green. ;\

          Beach party anyone? 😀

        • #3231796

          Toothless bowling tournament

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Had I only

          Well, Mae, you do live in Kentucky, don’t you? Enough said! 🙂

        • #3231794

          jd’s Speedos

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Had I only

          jd wearing Speedos at the beach will clear the place out faster than a shark attack.

        • #3231777

          did I neglect to mention

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Had I only

          Speedo makes boxer style suits now? :p

          Don’t worry, they are knee lenght! 😀

          And no shark attacks in the great lakes, but you could get a leach you don’t watch where you swim!

        • #3231775


          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Had I only

          I’m FROM Kentucky, I don’t live there, now. I live in Ohio. Of course, the town I live in is more redneck than Northern KY, so it’s not really a step up.

          Besides, as I have stated before, just because I am FROM Kentucky, doesn’t mean anything. I’ve never had sex with a cousin and I nearly always wear shoes.

          Okay, that’s not true about the shoes. I don’t have any on right now. I take them off as soon as I get to my desk and I don’t put them back on until I have to walk away from my office.. and at home? I never where shoes.

        • #3276876

          For JD it is Spee don’t

          by x-marcap ·

          In reply to Had I only


    • #3213910


      by dmambo ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      (Choose either one of them. Without any real experience, they’ll both have a lot of OJT to wade through.)

      What???? spuddy_m????

      Help!!!!!! Tigger(no space)Two!!!!!!!!!!! WE HAVE A TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      BTW Tig, I missed lunch today, so I’m curious what everbody else had for lunch. Anybody have something interesting???

      • #3213903

        Roast beef sub

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to WHAT???

        and it was goooood! Probably could have done without the cheeze, but then it wouldn’t have been five “o”‘s good! 😀 Would have only rated about 3. ;\

        • #3213899

          A 3-o good is no good

          by dmambo ·

          In reply to Roast beef sub

          If it’s only 3 o’s, then it just loooks like a misspelling. See?

          Good thing that you had the cheese to get those o’s.

          BTW, who would you hire to make your next roast beef sub? The sandwich guy who’s had training at Quizno’s, or the mom who’s made sandwhiches for school lunches, but never done it professionally?

        • #3213891

          Gotta be the Mom

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to A 3-o good is no good

          Only a Mom can make a REALLY GOOOOOD roast beef sub. Something about the whole “Mom” thing.

          My partner makes a really good sub too. But then, he’s a self taught IT guy- his degree is Mathematics and Economics. Still has his first Trash 80 though, must be a geek!

        • #3213889

          Not in every case

          by dmambo ·

          In reply to Gotta be the Mom

          My mom, God rest her soul, couldn’t make a decent school lunch if her left piggy toe depended on it. I was so far down the lunch trading list that I was looking up at cream cheese and jelly sandwiches.

          I used to ASK to get school lunch.

        • #3213865


          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Gotta be the Mom

          I have to agree with Mambo. My mother is, well, not very handy in the kitchen. She starts out making roast beef and ends up with shoe leather. When I was a kid, we never ate the bottom of a biscuit, we had to put two tops together, because the bottoms were ALWAYS burnt.

          I gotta hand it to her, she IS getting better. Her cookies are at least edible now.

        • #3213853

          when there was enough money

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Tig

          we ate good. Many hamburger helpers skimping on the hamburger. Single mom (divorced when I was 4), put herself through school, now has her Masters Degree in computer science. Has been department head, and is now an instructor an a local business college.

          Through all this, we had good meals. I would help, and that is where I learned a lot. When I was married, I always did about 90% of the cooking, even when I was the only one working. I just hate doing dishes. :p

          Maybe if you buy your mum a nice set of pans, things would turn out better?

        • #3213850


          by maecuff ·

          In reply to when there was enough money

          I bought my mom a set of pans she’d beat me with them.

          I DID get her a really nice set of sheets for Christmas, she loved that. My husband does most of the cooking at home. I don’t really like to cook. I CAN, maybe not great, but edible. I just don’t like to. I’d rather go out.

        • #3213861

          There is a reason

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to A 3-o good is no good

          that when you turn mom upside down you get WOW. 😡

          Where would we be without mum? I know for putting up with me, mine should be nominated for sainthood! 😀

      • #3213902

        Potato Salad

        by tig2 ·

        In reply to WHAT???

        With smoked ham. Made it yesterday. Really good too.

        I caught the spud out when he first posted. JD decided to play too so we have been talking about food. That is a good subject.

        You shouldn’t miss lunch DMambo, it isn’t good for you.

      • #3213894


        by maecuff ·

        In reply to WHAT???

        chicken noodle soup and crackers because I’m still feeling puny today.

        What I WANT, is a chocolate shake from Hardees. Have you HAD one yet? My kid got one and it was all I could do to keep from wrestling him to the ground and stealing it. I could you know, he’s still MUCH smaller than me. 🙂

        • #3213885

          Just puny?

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to just

          I assume that the fever broke- you’re at work. How’s the stomach doing? Hopefully the nausea is gone and just left you feeling a bit on the weak side.

          Feel better!

        • #3213869

          Mostly okay

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Just puny?

          I still feel weak, and a bit yucky. Enough to complain, but not bad enough to stay home.

        • #3213860

          and the only thing stopping you

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to just

          was the picture of him deciding which nursing home to send you to? ]:) Keep the boy happy! 😀

          Had a Wendys Frosty yesterday. mmmmmmmmmm! :p

        • #3213855

          So far

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to and the only thing stopping you

          I have been able to stop myself from physically assaulting my children. But damn..that shake looked good..

      • #3213821


        by ___.__ ·

        In reply to WHAT???

        Hello DMumble – Nice Avatar – may have that one.

        • #3213813


          by maecuff ·

          In reply to ?

          I think you’re missing a few words in your sentences.

          Did you know, that Nice Avatar – may have that one, can be rearranged to: A CATAMARAN HEATHEN VOTE IVY.

          And it makes as much sense!

        • #3213810

          Mae, go easy

          by old guy ·

          In reply to Dude..

          on him. When he only has one neuron to work with you might overload it and blow it up then he won’t have anything left there. Hmmm, second thought go ahead it may just get rid of the scum quicker. :^0

        • #3209561

          Hmmm… Maybe he meant that

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to Dude..

          “Hello DMumble – Nice Avatar – may have that one”

          should be rearranged as:

          Me Ham – unattractively behaved melon – Aloha

        • #3231968

          I’d give you the coffee mug, but…

          by dmambo ·

          In reply to ?

          You’d have to reach up to use it.

          Besides, coffee tends to keep you awake at night, and I wouldn’t want your mom to get angry if you’re up past your bedtime.

        • #3231964

          Hey Smeghead!

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to ?

          This is tragic. I just can’t watch it any longer. You are just so pathetic.

          I have to give you a hint…

          BORROW A BRAIN CELL! If you try REALLY hard, even you can form a complete sentence.

          Good luck with all that…

    • #3231805

      The technical interview is your friend

      by jtakiwi ·

      In reply to Who to Hire???

      Do either of these guys get it? When you interview them, does one or the other understand and relate basic concepts well? Do they know how to find the answers? Do they have good customer service skills? Good luck. All things being equal, I like folks w/ certs because it shows they are invested in this career field (not that non cert carriers aren’t), but w/ new folks to the field, it helps.

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