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Why does everyone beat up on Win 7?

By naplesjoe ·
I am by no means a computer expert. But I know enough to be careful with my downloads, do a reasonable amount of maintenance, and buy appropriate hardware to support what I need to get done. Most every problem I have had with XP or Win 7 has been hardware related. Lack of memory, poor drivers with third party hardware etc. Why do many(experts) continually beat up on MS rather than the real problem? Namely the the hackers, the malicious and/or incompetant software and driver writers?

Reading thier comments, I am led to believe most people who flaunt the "open" OS's are the very types who not only have the know how but also the desire to do damage to MS and it's customers. I am not fond of Apple or any of its offshoots, but it bothers me little if others use and enjoy them. After all, competition is good. I certainly would not waste one second of the time I have on earth writing a virus to ruin a MAC system just to get even with the evil Steve Jobs or Steve Wozniak.

If somehow possible it would be very interesting to know what percentage of malware is written on "open" operating systems. I have had nothing but good luck with MS since my first DOS 1 computer. But I don't let kids play online games, I don't visit porn sites, I don't download or steal music and I watch what I install. What "open" software I haved tried just didn't do much for me.(Literally)If it's cheap, you usually get what you pay for. Imagine what you get for free.

Perhaps the high cost of MS software is connected to the endless manpower they put into combating all of those issues coming at them from outside sources.

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About the business of "free"

by santeewelding In reply to Why does everyone beat up ...
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I don't disagree with you at all

by NexS In reply to Why does everyone beat up ...

But I'll still find a reason to blame MS for something.
Right now, in my current state of mind, I'm blaming them for the awful decision of changing the world with Office 2007-2010.
I know why they did it, and I know how it benefits them, but I still dislike it. And I'm entitled to.

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I guess I agree on that one.

by naplesjoe In reply to I don't disagree with you ...

Not to happy with the newer office products myself. I downloaded the Beta version of Office 10. I didn't have time to relearn the entire program so out it went and back to 2003 which does everything I need it to.

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"incompetant software and driver writers"

by seanferd In reply to Why does everyone beat up ...

This sometimes includes Microsoft, sorry to say. What do you think all those "updates" are for? Actually, I wouldn't put it all on the folks actually writing the code, but the decision makers who decide what code will be written.

Malware written for open source OSes? Very little. It is a bit harder to write malcode for OSes with the kind of privilege separation found in unix-like OSes, and many other OSes, open source or not. And there isn't as large a market to drive people to write malware for most open source OSes.

Be that as it may, I haven't heard a whole lot of bashing on Win 7. It is Microsoft's best OS since XP went SP2. Wndows 2000 was a decent one, and so was Win 98SE.

The problem is that MS really hasn't changed their design, nor really updated the core of the OS or the filesystem. The security in the OS is "bolted-on", not "built-in".

Every OS will have problems and security flaws. But with the amount of manpower and income MS has, Windows should be way, way better. "Hackers" would have a lot less to hack if there weren't so many inherent flaws in the OS, and those flaws couldn't be so deeply exploited.

MS has done a lot better, but it should have done a lot more. And at least the default account for Vista and 7 is not an administrator account.

As to what you do online, that can mitigate your exposure to malware, but realize that a lot of perfectly legitimate sites do get cracked and end up hosting malware or scripts pointing to malware. The big problem there is also poor design and execution of the sites many times.

Personally, I rather liked 7, even as a beta/RC, but it is way over-priced, as usual. I'll never understand what MS is shooting for there, because if they significantly lower the price, they'll sell more units. And since they've already built it, it is infinite goods.

Most people, though, will get 7 as an OEM install on a new machine, so not so pricey. But a lot of people don't like OEM installs, either.

"Most people who flaunt the "open" OS's are the very types who not only have the know how but also the desire to do damage to MS and it's customers."

This is just plain nuts.

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My point was!

by naplesjoe In reply to "incompetant software and ...

I wasn't implying the open source lovers "were" doing the damage, I was simply saying their retoric and disdain for MS leads one to beleive they might. Again, beleive it or not, their are many people out there who actually think of a computer as a tool, not a toy. Although at this time, I'm toying around.

Our government is so into our lives these days. I think its time for them to build jails to hold these turkeys who get thier kicks out of causing others greif.

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Well, they just need to enforce existing law.

by seanferd In reply to My point was!

And so do all countries these folks are found in.

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by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Why does everyone beat up ...
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RE:- Why does everyone beat up on Win 7?

by OH Smeg In reply to Why does everyone beat up ...

Would you care to give instances to this claimed action?

I personally have not seen many of these complaints and when they do occur they always seen to be related to not being backward compatible with existing hardware. For a $20.00 web can this isn't much of an issue but when it comes to 50K Network Printers it's something major.

My biggest beef with 7 is that it has not gone far enough in enabling the major problem with Vista to be rectified and M$ is just hoping that people will buy new software to do what it is that they need to. For domestic users this isn't such a biggy as they can buy new software but when it comes to Mission Critical in House Apps written for individual business to the Standards which M$ set and then dropped when the next OS came out these are enormously expensive to rewrite for new Operating Systems and are not likely to be redone quickly because of the disruption and costs involved to that company.

But having said all of that I have not heard many complaints about 7 from a Technical Point of View. It is much better than XP was at this stage in it's development and so it should be as it is Vista Developed not a new OS like XP was when new or Vista was when it was released.

As for Security By Design M$ has failed miserably in this department. You may not have been involved in plugging the many holes that M$ Poor Coding Practices resulted in and you probably where not around when M$ Promised to improve this by Incorporating Security By Design not as a After Thought which isn't all that important. While they have got better they still have a very long way to go to reach the level of Security that is incorporated into Unix and it's derivatives. It would also help no end if M$ Marketing stopped overselling the Security of their OS's as this is the biggest single factor that peeves people off.

When they pay their money and believe the spiel from M$ Marketing they get very disillusioned when they realize that they have to pay even more money to be able to part way safely use that new OS. What is M$ biggest hurdle is that they push the idea that anyone who has no knowledge of how a OS works can use a computer loaded with M$ Products. Well they can but they will also be the ones likely to pick up and spread infections around because they simply do not know what it is that they are doing. Lack of training is no excuse here it's more to do with M$ Marketing yet again selling the idea to business that they don't need to train their staff in how to use a computer and save money.

The fact that the one person using that Windows System with Word installed has replaced 50 Typists and saved a vast amount of money doesn't mean that they do not need to be trained to be efficient. They can muddle through and appear to be efficient by only costing 1 wage instead of 50 but if they had of been trained like they where when they where using Word Perfect they would be saving far more money and have a better idea of what it is that the are actually doing. A computer isn't a Fancy Typewriter and can not be treated that way even if M$ say they can.

Why do many(experts) continually beat up on MS rather than the real problem? Namely the the hackers, the malicious and/or incompetant software and driver writers?

Probably a better question would be Why does M$ make it so easy for those who know piratically nothing to break their Software?

The script kiddies who do a lot of this type of thing only need to be able to download a Script Generator to write a Infection to do as they want. The hard core criminals on the other hand do not employ Script Kiddies but Hardcore Developers to write their code to do a similar thing that will produce a income for them. It's in their best interests to have a OS that leaks like a Sieve ands is patched after the event with another bolt on that causes more problems that it cures most times.


Most every problem I have had with XP or Win 7 has been hardware related. Lack of memory, poor drivers with third party hardware etc.


While true maybe I suppose the obvious question is why does M$ OS's require so much hardware and resources to do the same job as a more secure system? You shouldn't need 15 GIG of HDD Space + and 4 GIG of RAM to allow your system to work in a reasonably fast manner that makes it usable.

But I don't let kids play online games, I don't visit porn sites, I don't download or steal music and I watch what I install. What "open" software I haved tried just didn't do much for me.(Literally)If it's cheap, you usually get what you pay for. Imagine what you get for free.

While you may not these are the very sites that cause most of the problems and those who visit them know no better. Why do you think that is because they where taught so well in how to use a computer or because a computer is now an appliance to do what they want to?

Perhaps the high cost of MS software is connected to the endless manpower they put into combating all of those issues coming at them from outside sources.

What a pile of SHAT. The high cost of M$ Software is not connected to the time it takes to write or the manpower involved it is connected directly to How Much Money M$ can make to placate their share holders and also exuberantly overpay those company executives who are effectively nothing more than parasites on the company who suck up resources at an alarming rate and do nothing productive to enhance the companies bottom line.

I am not fond of Apple or any of its offshoots

I just have to ask here What Offshoots? Apple doesn't have any offshoots their OS OSX is an offshoot of Free BSD not the other way around. Apple is sponging off the hard work of others who willingly give up their time and effort to do something to improve the lives of others. The fact that Apple steals this and makes money off it I find offensive but maybe that's just me. It does however show that it is possible to incorporate Security By Design when you follow good codding practices and not the Development Profile that M$ uses.

Reading thier comments, I am led to believe most people who flaunt the "open" OS's are the very types who not only have the know how but also the desire to do damage to MS and it's customers.

This is just crazy as most of the script kiddies need some form of windows to run their Compilers on as they where written for windows. I do find that funny but as I'm perverse what else can you expect. :^0

Personally I like the 64 Bit Version of 7 and with the way that modern Hardware has gone I just don't see the point in offering a 32 Bit Version of it.

Col

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Thanks Col

by naplesjoe In reply to RE:- [i]Why does everyone ...

Thanks for the response to my sincere question. As I stated I do not get involved with the inner workings or politics of the computer world. I just need them to get the job done.

I totally understand most of what you say, however the dollar sign inserted into the M$ says a lot about you. Not to mention the remarks about share holders and executives. That brings nothing to the conversation other than cementing my opinion that most techies I run across would be much better suited working in another country where their efforts would be appreciated. The share holders deserve a fair return on their investments. If you have a retirement program of any kind you are probably one of them. The executives are part of the corporation to look after your interest, not develop or produce the product. Their "exuberant" pay is such a small part of corporate expense that eliminating all of them would not change be noticable on the bottom line.

I retired from a major airline. During the course of my employment I was heavily involved with the construction of the companies main data centers along with many other facilities. For Five years on a daily basis I walked through a sea of programmers setting at thier work stations. I was never impressed. It's a good thing M$ put plenty of games into Windows to keep them awake. My point? There is plenty of greed and waste to go around in this country. But it is the best country and the best system going. And yes I mean Capitalism.

Use your intellegance for productive purposes and get off the bash wagon. Someday you may grow up to be a CEO.

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"Best country" ?? ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to Thanks Col

You're clearly jumping ship now and attempting to DISS the rest of the world.

You may also live to regret the remarks you just aimed at OH Smeg.

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