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    • #3282322

      Getting a Gogle error on your link mate

      by tony hopkinson ·

      In reply to Why Linux isn’t Mainstream

      and I was looking forward to making one or two pithy rebuttals.

    • #3284840

      Titles, who needs them?

      by user.booted ·

      In reply to Why Linux isn’t Mainstream

      Jokes in the title aside, who really cares about Outlook when Thunderbird can do everything it does better, and for free? Linux is also harder to use I have heard, and games I make in Blitz 3d are Windows only, and I don’t want to give up my favorite complier. Another reason is that many people don’t know much about computers, so they don’t look for alternatives like Firefox or Linux, they just use what comes with their computers. There used to be more competition to M$, but now the only REAL competition is Apple, but even Apple isn’t a threat to the humongous, bloated, Micro$oft.

    • #3284768

      Don’t wait for the stopping bit . We’ll stowaway

      by tony hopkinson ·

      In reply to Why Linux isn’t Mainstream

      on the next shuttle.
      Linux isn’t mainstream because suits like seeing what meetings other people are at ?

      • #3283424


        by mlandon ·

        In reply to Don’t wait for the stopping bit . We’ll stowaway

        Unfortunately, he is right.

        See my own blog for my thoughts on the matter:
        (It’s the second topic on there – I posted it about a month and a half ago)

        • #3283274

          inaccurate complaints

          by apotheon ·

          In reply to Yep.

          You cite “lack of real software” as your primary reason for staying with Windows. Real software? Say what?

          All of my day-to-day work gets done with software that runs on Linux. There’s “real software” all over the damned place that works excellently. I think that by “real software” what you really mean is “the specific, branded, outrageously priced software I already own because I’m afraid to try something new”.

          Besides, a lot of that software out there for Windows actually can be run on Linux, via WINE (sometimes with the help of Cedega, if it’s a game) or Crossover Office. Both Photoshop and MS Office will run on Linux using either WINE or Crossover Office just fine.

          “[i]Gimp is good and does much of the same thing as Photoshop but it does it all differently ? I really don?t have the time to re-learn it.[/i]”
          That doesn’t mean that there’s no “[b]real software[/b]” for Linux. It means that you’re “[b]real lazy[/b]” and will never accept anything at all but Windows. You just want Windows that works properly. Unfortunately, “doesn’t work properly” is part of the definition of Windows.

          “[i]OpenOffice really isn?t a clone of MS Office[/i]”
          This is a complaint? What the hell’s wrong with you? Yeah, this proves the lazy-not-software point I made above. How can you write this stuff without realizing how full of it you are?

          “[i]Using a command prompt to run day-to-day applications is for the realm of dorks who will never kiss a girl (except the virtual one they built in their basement). Real people don?t have the time to memorize endless keystrokes to do what they need.[/i]”
          Ad hominem crap like this doesn’t make a valid point, and is completely irrelevant. Get a damned clue. There are Linux systems running in coffee shops for public use, and in the homes of grandmothers and young children, without issue. The GUIs provided for Linux work just fine for someone who isn’t so indivisibly wedded to Windows that they absolutely cannot conceive of using a computer designed by anyone but Microsoft. The problems you have with non-Windows operating systems are [b]your[/b] problems, and not problems with the OSes. Hell, there are window manager themes for Linux that so exactly duplicate the Windows environments of the last decade or so that casual users don’t even notice they aren’t using Windows at first. Of course, the reason they aren’t used more often is simple: once people get used to the options available to them with Linux, they realize that the Windows stuff to which they’re so accustomed sucks.

          “[i]Then there are the cutesy names they give to everything ? that have nothing to do with their function[/i]”
          You mean like the “Start” button? “Windows Genuine Advantage”? “Access”? “Excel”? “PowerPoint”? “Visio”? “Fireworks”? “Dreamweaver”? “Outlook”?

          Perhaps you should take another look at application name comparisons, like’s “Writer”, “Math”, “Draw”, “Calc”, and “Base”, all of which suggest their actual functionality, or GNU Image Manipulation Program (which is actually even more descriptive than Photoshop, let alone Fireworks). Linux doesn’t have anything like WGA (thank goodness), but I’m pretty sure if it did that it would be named something like “Screw The User”, not “Windows Genuine Advantage”. How about the fundamentals? Why is there a Windows graphical user environment called AeroGlass, as compared with (for instance) the K Desktop Environment for Linux? How is that more descriptive and less “cutesy”?

          Want a raytracer for Linux? Try Yafray (Yet Another Free RAYtracer). How about a mail server? There’s the good old fashioned Sendmail (compare that with “Exchange”). There’s a spam killer called SpamAssassin. There are email clients called things like Kmail, Gnumail, and Mail (yes, really). Linux has a newsreader called NewsReader (and Windows doesn’t). How about the comparison of Acrobat Reader with Xpdf (a PDF viewer for X)? Let’s compare names like “Nero Burning ROM” for Windows and “cdrecord” for Linux. Translate Tex to PDF with tex2pdf, and PostScript to PDF with ps2pdf, on Linux — but don’t bother trying to do either with software written for Windows. For optical character recognition (OCR), compare ClaraOCR for Linux with Recognita for Windows. Linux has text-to-speech software called VoiceText. Linux users can control the speed of CD playing with a program called “cdspeed”. Perhaps for memory testing software we should compare “SANDRA” for Windows with “Memtest” for Linux.

          Sure, Windows has some software that’s better named than Linux equivalents, or named just as well as Linux equivalents, but I think in the majority of cases Linux software is better named for getting the idea of what the software does across to the user.

          When you provide reasons for sticking with Windows that are less fatuous and more rooted in the real world, let us know. Until then, the “it doesn’t run Outlook” answer that started this thread is a helluva lot more valid than anything you’ve said.

        • #3283041

          Nope, fortunately he’s not

          by tony hopkinson ·

          In reply to Yep.

          Like you, without the pretty and familiar pictures as authored by MS, he didn’t know enough to proceed and was too f’ing lazy to find out.

          Personally I got on with the linux command line. OK, it wasn’t far off that for MPE/XL, DOS, CP/M, Nix and VMS, but you can’t have everything.

          So well in fact, it left me plenty of time to shag my virtual missus, have some virtual kids, get a virtual hole in my bank account and become a virtual grandad. Not bad for a dork eh?

          What exactly have you achieved aside from gaining your MCSE.

          The world is the thing outside your window not a bitmap pasted in it’s frame.

          Try and get out more.

        • #3200138


          by mlandon ·

          In reply to Yep.

          So the consensus is I’m too lazy to learn Linux software. Sure. As my daughter would say, “Whatever.”

          I work a 40+ hour week where I’m somewhere between a technician and engineer for control systems (we actually use Linux from time to time, but not on the desktop), then work my second job where I’m self-employed (also pretty much a full-time job). And I’m in a band (play guitar half-way decent if I say so myself). What little time I have left I’d rather spend with my family and friends instead of re-learning how to do what I already know.

          So that makes me “lazy.” Gee, guess my priorities are all wrong.

        • #3199937

          Not just lazy — whiny and lazy.

          by apotheon ·

          In reply to Lazy?

          “[i]So the consensus is I’m too lazy to learn Linux software.[/i]”
          No, the consensus is that you’re rude, you whine too much, and you are a hypocrite.

          Assuming the audacity of being able to speak for more than just myself, I think we simply find your complaining odious in the extreme: on one hand, you want something better than Windows, and on the other hand, you’re unwilling to use anything different from Windows. This is the key to your problems. If you want to be happy with the technology you use, you have to accept either “the same” or “better”, because “better” implies “different”. You simply cannot have “better” and “the same” in the same package, and your complaints are laughable at best as long as you keep petulantly demanding both better software and identical software.

          If you can’t be arsed to find the time to learn something new, stop bothering us with your complaints about the old stuff. Nobody likes a whiner.

        • #3284618

          May have got the wrong

          by tony hopkinson ·

          In reply to Lazy?

          impression but you appear to be saying linux won’t do the job because you don’t recognise the icons or there aren’t many linux applications with the same name as the corresponding window’s one.

          Pick a reasonable task, bar yourself from using windows products and accomplish it.

          Lot’s of people have done it, all it required the first few times was a bit of effort . If you don’t have the time or can’t be arsed to find the time, fine.

          Just remember you not being able to do it must be your problem, not mine, Apotheon’s or the designers of non-windows operating systems.

          Once you didn’t know windows either, remember how you rectified this issue.

    • #3198969

      Maybe but who cares?

      by stress junkie ·

      In reply to Why Linux isn’t Mainstream

      I remember back in the kernel v1.2 days people in IT would occassionally read an article entitled something like “Would You Lose Your Job for Recommending Linux?”. You don’t see those any longer. Linux’s public image has come a long way. I’m happy with the progress so far. If Linux can be distributed by IBM as a legitimate option to run on their servers, as is the case, then things are pretty good for Linux. It wasn’t so long ago that we couldn’t imagine IBM supporing Linux. Now IBM puts their reputation on the line every time they sell a server with Linux installed. Dare I say, “Mission Accomplished”?

      • #3198906

        Linux… feels like DOS

        by fungus-among-us ·

        In reply to Maybe but who cares?

        I loved using DOS, before the days of the “DOS SHELL” and Windows. Although intimidating, the command line of Linux brought back fond DOS memories. The desktop environment for Linux (Gnome or KDE), is equivalent to the desktop shell for DOS… otherwise known as Windows 3.0. I think those of us that can make that comparison, are more comfortable with Linux.

        “Linux doesn’t have anything like WGA (thank goodness), but I’m pretty sure if it did that it would be named something like “Screw The User”, not “Windows Genuine Advantage”.”


        I recently (this past holiday weekend), tried several different linux flavors on my home “server”. Debian, Puppy, Ubuntu, and Fedora. I finally decided that at this point in time, I’d stick with Fedora.
        From the time I started downloading the 5 iso images for Fedora, through installation/adjustments, setting up SAMBA (for Windows connectivity), and copying over 350GB worth of music/video/drivers/patches/databases (from 2 different Windows XP workstations), took me around 6 hours. Granted I could’ve setup the same server with XP in less time, but I know XP much better. Now that I’ve got a Linux OS installed and setup on my server I won’t have half the security issues/worries that I had with XP.

        It only took me 7 years to look into Linux (because it WASN’T MAINSTREAM), but now that I have it installed and running (and running quite well, I must add) I’m finding out that I like it MUCH better. Granted, Linux may not support *ALL* the games that I run, but I’ll just have to keep an “XP” box set aside for gaming.

        *Sidenote: A local ISP has been running commercials that state if you “sign up” for an internet account, they will provide a “FREE” PC. These PC’s are preloaded with Linux as the primary (only) OS!

        (edited because I can’t spell properly)

        • #3284270

          I like the text console.

          by stress junkie ·

          In reply to Linux… feels like DOS

          Long ago in a corporation far away I started my little adventure with computers. Back then there were only terminals and printer/terminals. Busy people had three or five terminals in their office.

          Then the graphical interface became popular. At first the only use that I had for a GUI was to open about five terminal windows and I would do my work as I had always done. That’s still how I run VMS machines, when I get the chance to run them at all. I’m more comfortable with the text interface for Solaris as well, but I use graphical system administration tools about half the time in Linux.

          Check out my TR blog regarding the latest Novell OpenSuse Linux. It’s great. Read the Sept. 04 post on installation before reading the Sept. 05 post about installation problems. 🙂

          If you have questions about running Linux then check out this site. I hang out there a lot and I use the same pseudonym.

          Every question about running Linux has already been asked and answered at that site. Just use the search feature.

          Here are a bunch of other good sites providing information about Linux.

 – Excellent documentation. Great distribution.

 – good portal to other sites like the Linux Documentation Project and

 and – great sources for free and open source software.

 – great source for Red Hat software package rpm kits.

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