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Why the left rules the political world

By vulwhine ·
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The ideology of the "left" makes more sense than the crap that is passed from the "right." We on the left are for the little man, while those on the right want the rich to stay richer and have the poor stay under the arm of the rich. This isn't class warfare, this is common sense: the rich need to pay more in taxes, you know contribute more of their money like the rest of us; thereby empowering the entitlements we all love and don't want to lose. To the right I ask: why bite the hand that feeds you?

We are more sympathetic and tolerant. I could care less if two men want to marry each other. I don't want to marry either one of them so why do I care what they do? Sure, if a man asked me to marry him I would say no and if he persisted in asking me and was flirting with me, I would be upset, but if a man is showing affection toward another man who receives it, what is that to me? Let homosexuals marry.

Also, the white man has had his day long enough. Those of different color are held down and should be given more opportunity (I should know, being of different *color*) than they are now (I thought we were living in the 21st century...racism is so last century).

If a woman wants to abort, then let her. Like Peter Singer said, "newborns lack the essential characteristics of personhood???"rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness"???and therefore "killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living."

What say you?

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Troll is what I say

by JamesRL In reply to Why the left rules the po ...

I'm considered a conservative at least in Canada. I've been a conservative activist for some time.

I believe in the individual. We are all different and unique. I don't care at all what color your skin is, which gender you prefer. I don't think people of color should be descriminated against, but neither do I think white people should be descriminated against.

I don't believe human life begins at conception, thats a precusor. But there has to be some point at which the fetus is capable of surviving on its own. And thats where I would limit abortions. BTW I was a preemie by two months, so I would sure seen the line drawn earlier than that.

I believe that taxes should be low for everyone, and that everyone should pay a reasonable share. Too many loopholes exist, there is a huge industry based on the creation of tax dodges. Make it simpler, more flat and fairer. I don't believe in entitlements as you would put it. I think it is to the benefit of all to have certain things provided for all, including infrastructure and education.But there is a lot of pork being doled out, moreso in the US than here.

I don't think the left has a monopoly on equality, or on these issues. I know many on the right who are in general agreement about these things. We have fewer religious based conservatives in Canada.

I say Troll because I think you are being less analytical and more provactive in your analysis.

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Yeah,

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Troll is what I say

Gotta wonder about a member who's profile includes one sentence about IT and a couple of paragraphs about his political positions. Nothing wrong with that, but there may be forums better suited to the political discussions he appears to be looking for.

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Yes, Troll

by Michael Jay In reply to Yeah,

perhaps even a seagull, time will tell.

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"empowering the entitlements we all love and don't want to lose."

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Why the left rules the po ...

We don't all love entitlements. First, no one is entitled to them; they're tools for transferring money. Second, I don't support paying for them, and I don't support forcing others to pay for them either.

"Also, the white man has had his day long enough. ... (I thought we were living in the 21st century...racism is so last century)."

Your first sentence in that paragraph is itself racist. Would you find that sentence acceptable if I replaced 'white' with 'black', 'Latino', or 'purple with green spots'? If no, then what make my variations racist but yours not?

I agree with you regarding the personal rights of homosexual marriage, and in some cases on abortion. However, the 'left' doesn't have a lock on those positions, and many on the right support them too. Google 'Log Cabin Republicans' when you're off your soapbox.

Oh, and just because killing something may not be equivalent to killing a self-conscious, rational, autonomous adult doesn't mean that killing it is justified. Not all paintings are the Mona Lisa; does that mean destroying them is a good idea?

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Regarding social issues...

by jfuller05 In reply to "empowering the enti ...

I have to wonder if member vulwhine has heard of libertarianism? No offense to the member, but I agree with you and JamesRL about the possibility of him/her being a troll.

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Irony

by robo_dev In reply to "empowering the enti ...

To call yourself sympathetic and tolerant yet refer to the agenda of the other side as 'crap' is somewhat hypocritical.

I think a more nuanced approach might help the OP to win more friends and influence more people.

It's a valid argument that there is a contradiction between the idea of 'less government', except with respect to reproductive rights or marriage.

It all started in the 1960s, when the Dixiecrats, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, switched to the Republican party, and the turning point was Jimmy Carter, effectively the last Democrat who had strong support among Christian voters.

Today there are scores of organizations, colleges and universities, and even media outlets which foster and promote the Christian right agenda. The big question (or fear in the case of the OP), is if this agenda will become reality.

Will the Christian right 'save' the Republican party or drag it deep underwater?

In the long run, the concern that this agenda will succeed is unfounded for two reasons, one is that the 'Barry Goldwater' conservatives are unhappy since the Republicans have been on a drunken-spending-spree since George Bush Senior. Could we see the rise of a third-party (Libertarian) as a place for 'real (fiscal) conservatives'??

The second is that the anti-immigration, anti-amnesty, evangelical Christian agenda does not win friends among the very quickly growing Latino demographic, who tend to be Democrats. Similarly, those with strong liberal social views, (with the notable exception of the Log Cabin Republicans), are also not on-board.

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Near as I can tell

by NickNielsen In reply to Irony

The agenda of the Christian right is antithetical to the Christian values I learned growing up.

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gay marriage

by john.a.wills In reply to Why the left rules the po ...

Marriage is a license to copulate. Two people of the same sex can't copulate.

I submit that the above argument is neither left- nor right-wing.

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That is a very narrow definition

by JamesRL In reply to gay marriage

I would agree that it isn't a left wing or right wing issue.

But if you support that argument, I'd counter thats it is a pretty narrow definition.

Should couples that can't get pregnant never be allowed to marry? What about after they are too old to have kids? Does love play no role in marriage?

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While pregnancy

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to That is a very narrow def ...

requires copulation to occur, copulation doesn't require pregnancy, nor does age preclude copulation, nor does love require copulation.

Devils advocate...

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