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Will Mac Desktop/Laptops be accepted in Business field?

By dmayn1988 ·
Wanted to get a consensus about whether or not people feel that Macs will ever be accepted for use in the business field. This question came up with some co-workers who swear by Mac products and felt that more business people will be using them in the near future as opposed to the PC. I feel that its very unlikely since so many platforms afe based around Windows systems in addition to software.

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Answer: Maybe now

by TechExec2 In reply to Will Mac Desktop/Laptops ...

Short answer: The PC hardware, Windows workstations, Windows servers, additional PC/Windows-compatible hardware, and applications written for Windows (internal and external) are a deeply entrenched standard in the home, business, and government. Describe how ANY other computer architecture could displace that easily.

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That said, I think the Mac will become noticeably more accepted in the future than it has been in the past because of the new Intel-based Macs. It is because these new machines can run Windows itself in a VM that will enable this. Windows will not go away.

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The Macintosh has always been more of an "information appliance" than the Windows PC. It still is and the latest iterations of Mac OS X are extending this. If you have ever sat down in front of a Mac and had to serious work over a significant period of time, you would know what I'm speaking of. My primary computer was a Mac for a few years. It's not hype. Its "just works" as an "information appliance" in the same way that your toaster "just works" as a "toast appliance". No driver problems. No blue screen crashes. Audio and video playback just works. The video phone just works. No sound card problems. No headaches. And virtually no malware problems to worry about. If you believe these words then you KNOW the difference between the Mac and the Windows PC as I do.

My primary system now: PC hardware running Windows XP. I also use Linux and a Mac on the side. :-) The Mac is better today than it ever was.

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Why?

by Bill_CA In reply to Answer: Maybe now

As long as it is for a valid business reason and not just for the reason of a user preference.

We don't let people use a different brand of word processor due to a "preference", why should it be any different for a computer.

A mac is not the same as a PC and to introduce one into the environment means that there are a lot of accommodations that need to be made.

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I largely agree with you, and...

by TechExec2 In reply to Why?

I agree with you. That was one of the major points of my post. But, now that the new Intel-based Macs can actually run Windows and Windows applications, I think some companies will start allowing some deployment of these machines where they never would before. That's all I was saying.

I agree. The bottom line is that PC hardware, Windows clients, Windows appl, Windows Servers, and Windows middleware are the entrenched standard. Corporations are not going to switch to the Mac. If they were, they could have done it before the Intel-based Mac.

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I doubt that many companies

by w2ktechman In reply to I largely agree with you, ...

would allow for Macs just because it can use Windows in a virtual mode. The system would eat up more licenses (needs a Windows license too, and SW licenses for both OS's), and more HW resources. If a company was going to use Mac systems, it would cost more in support if they are already in a Win environment. Because now they need support for Win/Mac and compatibility issues.
That said, I do think that many companies are looking at alternatives to MS. In many job searches, I have noticed a lot more cross platform positions than in the past (Win/Mac, Win/Linux, etc.).

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Open standards will make the difference not the OS

by Pheck In reply to I largely agree with you, ...

I would suggest that the standards that drive the ICT world are converging, not diverging and that it willonly be a matter of time before the flavour of desstop OS that you want will be a matter of personal choice and working preference, not tied to some arbitary code produced by a single company.
You are also assuming that all businesses are oing to be using Win servers and Win middleware.
The apps that are being used are off the shelf and multi platform and the hardware is getting harder to distinguish (Intel on both Mac and non-Mac).
Open standards will become the entrenched standards. There are enough examples of corporations that have a long associatio with the Mac platform.
The Win environment is moving along the same path with VM ware appearing on all major platforms as an in-built capability.

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Theory vs. reality

by TechExec2 In reply to Open standards will make ...

Your post is interesting. But, I think you are applying theory that is disconnected with the reality of how corporations (I'm speaking about USA corporations here) and commercial IT vendors actually operate.

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"...it willonly be a matter of time before the flavour of desstop OS that you want will be a matter of personal choice and working preference..."
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I disagree. Corporate buyers do not now permit much or any "personal choice and working preference" for many reasons. One of them is that they standardized on something and enforce the standard corporate-wide. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Also, I see commercial IT product vendors continuing to make a strong effort to ensure that will never occur. They don't ever want their products to be mere commodities and leave it up to the buyer to choose freely. They will continue to do non-open things to distinguish their products in ways that will drive customers to them and lock them in if at all possible. Do you disagree?

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"...You are also assuming that all businesses are oing to be using Win servers and Win middleware..."
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The vast majority of them ARE right now. I don't see ANY reason to believe corporations are going to abandon their current investment in these things and adopt the Intel Mac and some other kind of servers and middleware. Do you?

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"...The apps that are being used are off the shelf and multi platform..."
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Speifically which apps are you speaking about? Do you see apps that are Windows-specific going away to the extent that Windows will no longer matter? How so?

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"...Open standards will become the entrenched standards..."
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I agree that open standards are gaining ground. But, I don't necessarily think that non-open standards will go away. What do you think is going to happen to non-open standards like the following: Windows Client? Windows Server? Microsoft .NET Framework? MS Word native file format?

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"...There are enough examples of corporations that have a long associatio with the Mac platform..."
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There are far more examples of corporations that have not adopted the Mac platform and have adopted Windows instead. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

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Just FYI...

by ladyirol In reply to Answer: Maybe now

The Intel Macs do not need to run Windows XP in a virtual machine - they run XP natively. This translates to equivalent (and sometimes faster)benchmarks. I am quite sure that Windows IT professionals will be won over in time since the superior hardware will be less trouble to work with.

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Thanks, and...

by TechExec2 In reply to Just FYI...

Thanks for your reply.

I was/am aware of Boot Camp. I just don't see Boot Camp as a viable approach for business for two reasons:

1. Switching: It takes just too much time for a user in a business to boot and reboot between OS X and Windows using Boot Camp. I would never want operate my computer that way and try to get work done. And, I would never endorse employees doing so either.

2. Windows-only: If the business user is booting just to Windows, there is no compelling reason to run with Apple hardware. There are plenty of high quality PC hardware companies to choose from.

I think the magic of the Mac appears when it is running OS X. When it is running Windows, it's just another PC. And, it's a more EXPENSIVE and less FLEXIBLE PC. When you by a real PC, you get rock bottom competitive prices and the flexibility of commodity hardware PCI cards and drive bays. The only Mac that supports such things is the new Mac Pro that STARTs at $2500 without monitor! There is no Mac with PCI slots and drive bays for $1000 as there is with a PC. No contest.

Corporate environments have widely standardized on PC hardware, Windows clients and Windows apps (MS Office, etc.), and Windows servers and Windows middleware (e.g. Exchange). They are not going to give that up. That's why I posted about running Windows clients on a Mac in a VM. If the new Intel-based Mac makes new penetration in corporate environments, I think this is the way it will occur. It will be in corporate environments that permit the extra expense of running a Mac as an ADDITIONAL level of functionality (Mac OS X -and- Windows simultaneously).

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Rock Bottom

by Chief Bottle Washer In reply to Thanks, and...

You are so rite you get "When you by a real PC, you get rock
bottom.." Then you need to buy the higher end graphics card.
Upgrade your sound card. Buy a monitor that can be calibrated to
do 'REAL' Photoshop graphics as well as 3D animation. Bigger and
better hard drives. Perhaps a high poweered RAID card.

Add it all up and you've got a MacPro Workstation that really does
work.

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Blinded by Mac love

by TechExec2 In reply to Rock Bottom

Your post strongly suggests you are blinded by Mac love. Nothing wrong with that. But you need to recognize it.

The Mac Pro desktop is a Ferrari, a very very high end transportation device. It's an outstanding rush of a machine. 99% of all computer users don't need a Ferrari and can do very well with a more moderate computer.

My point in bringing up the Mac Pro is that it is the only Mac that provides PCI slots and drive bays. That versatility and expandability is commonly available to Windows PC users at the $1000 price point.

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