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Win 2K Server shows up as NT Workstation

By timber ·
Win 2K Server shows up as NT Workstation or Server in Server Manager.

OK I have one domain in paticular that is giving me problems. It's an NT 4.0 Domain (SP6a) that Contains about 25 Metaframe XP Servers all of which Except the PDC and BDC areWin2k (SP2).

All of the Win 2K servers except two are listed as NT 5.0 Servers. The other two are listed as Windows NT Workstation or Server. My bigeest issue with this is that our remote control software (DameWare) is not displaying these two servers either. My best guess is these servers are not being picked up by the Master Browser of the domain.

I have the PDC of the domain set to be the master browser.

Any ideas? I've Reinstalled SP2 on both machines, removed them from the domain and readded them.

If you need more info ask me I'll do my best to answer, I just need to get this answered..

Thanks!!

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by ghstinshll In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

Did you upgrade the servers? If so, I could see how this might happen, but I've never experienced anything like it. You already have what I would have done, with the browsers... Also try changing another machine to be master browser instead.

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by timber In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

No they weren't upgraded they were all fresh 2K installs. I had the master browser on the BDC before I started to work on it..

Thanks though!!

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by Delightful Deb In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

I assume that this is your question:
How that in server manager the W2k member server is grayed and seen as workstation?
Then, the answer is that browser service is not working properly. You will have also surprises then when you will go to NetworkNeighborhood and will try to browse it.

Conclusion is that is not a security issue. Windows NT 4 accounts will be able to access resources from W2k Srv member servers (and this just adding the w2k srv as memebr server in the NT4 domain). Also, permissions in NTFS 5 will work.
W2k should have all of them NetBIOS over TCP/P enabled.
The problems will appear when the name resolution for IP and NetBIOS are not working properly. So, if you are not sure about who is master browser there, and because is a W-NT4 network I strongly advise you to use WINS. As about DNS, it is very important for W2k, so better to have it too.
Don't forget to install latest SP for NT4 (I was using SP6a).

Cheers

Debbie

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by timber In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

Yep that was my question.. I checked WINS and DNS everything is registered properly.. I double checked each of the servers and Netbios over TCP/IP is checked but still no go. I was also playing with browmon and browstat. Neither of the servers are listed in the browser list go figure I pretty much new that but I wanted to double check.
I am running SP6a on the NT Servers and SP2 on the 2K servers too by the way..
Any other suggestions?
Thanks...

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by kmcniff In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

I will guess that all of the servers are on the same IP subnet. If you have more than one segment, remember that there is a Domain Master Browser, and a Segment Master Browser.
When server manager shows a machine as NT Server or Workstation, this means that the server manager is not communicating with these machines.
Besides the browser, there is also WINS. Check WINS and you may want to remove entries for these servers. Be sure to check your replication for WINS and ensure that old records are not being replicated over the new records. I have also gone as far as during a maintenance window of 12 hours or more, deleted ALL WINS databases and let the systems update automatically. I have done this many times and found it to work better than trying to troubleshoot incorrect records. At the same time you could also repair / reconfigure WINS replication to be efficient.

Also if you are using DNS on a WIN2K machine, remove the records for these machines also. Then from the command line on each machine in question do the following:

net stop netlogon
ipconfig / flushdns
ipconfig /registerdns
net start netlogon

By stopping and restarting the netlogon service, Lanmanager systems will appear to have rebooted and announce themselves to the browser and WINS.
By flushing and reregistering DNS, SRV records are updated on the DNS server.

There are some utilities in the resource kit that may also help you in troubleshooting.

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by timber In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

As posted in the previous comment WINS and DNS look fine I did however do what you suggested and still nothing. Typically I would just rebuild these but they are both running Oracle financials in my Metaframe server farm and that would be a real hassle.
Any other suggestion?
Thanks...

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by timber In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

I'm going to try the other suggestions but please keep the answers coming!!

Thanks...

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by curlergirl In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

It almost sounds like the browser service on these machines is not running. Check the Computer Browser service in the Services console and see if it is or is not running. If not, check the following registry key:

HKLM/System/Current Control Set/Services/Browser/Parameters

You should see two values:

IsDomainMaster: should be set to FALSE unless you want the server to act as a potential backup browser, in which case it should be TRUE

MaintainServerList: should be Auto unless IsDomainMaster is True, in which case it should be Yes.

Hope this helps!

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by timber In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

That is what it seems like but the browser service is running. I checked the browser param's in the registry but they are all correct. I can browse the net from these servers without a problem also..

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by shmaltz In reply to Win 2K Server shows up as ...

I have the same problem in Server manager.
First look at the following (remove spaces):
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;241847
I believe that it will not help much but it gives you an idea what you are dealing with.
In myServer Manager (I'm running Windows 2K AD Native mode) There is also a lot of computers that show up as Windows NT Workstation or Server, however I have realized that most of those machines (I couldn't confirm for sure) have not been on for a while.There is only one machine that is a Windows 2K Server that I know is online and shows up that way, and that is because it has NETBIOS over TCP/IP disabled in the Network settings (it is disabled on purpose).
Now with the problem of not being able to connecting using DameWare. DameWare uses NETBios to get a list of servers. If when you type in the name - not using the browse list, which you can do by slecting Machine > Remote Control - you still can't connect then my guess is that some ports are disabled on those machines, or that they are simply not on, and thier names still exist in the domain. If you can connect using either the IP address or the NETBios name then make sure that NETBios is not disabled on those machines.
To enable/disable NETBIOS over TCP/IP in Win2K:
1. Open the network properties by right clicking the My Network Places icon, or by going into conrtol panel.
2. Select the adapter, right click and choose proprties.
3. Select Internet Protocol TCP/IP and click onproperties
4. Click Advanced, select the WINS tab.
5. There are 3 settings: A. Enable NETBIOS over TCP/IP, B. Disable NETBIOS over TCP/IP, and C. Obtaing from DHCP Server. If it obtains it from the DHCP Server change it to enable and the problem should be gone. If it is disabled, enable it. If it is enabled then I don't know why this is happening.

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