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Windows 2000 Networking **** (home user)

By winmorgan ·
Probably not enough space to describe: Mac
user trying to network two PCs running
Win.2000. Have an ethernet hub, both
machines can connect to internet via E-net.
Mac can communicate w/one PC (using
MacSOHO S/W) via the E-net hub. I'm trying to
move software from one Windows machine to
the other. Tried for hours w/Win.2000 For
Dummies, and Windows Help. Contacted a
consultant. It appears the two PCs are NOT
on the same network, as judged from their IP
addresses (from pinging, etc.). Problem
*might* be @Home cable router that's
plugged into the E-net hub also. Both PCs set
to "obtain IP add. automatically." Finally,
second consultant advised just E-netting the
two machines with a direct E-net cable, so I
bypassed the E-net hub and have an E-net
cable now connecting both PCs. No other
computers show in My Netwk. Places, etc. I
have shared all volumes, and renamed them
without the $, which I found makes them
invisible. I have tried adding new connections.
If I try to just browse for a connection by typing
in the computer?s name after \\, I get
something like ?network path not found.? Both
computers show same workgroup name:
WORKGROUP. The only device I see in trying
to network is something called Direct Parallel
LPT1...I don?t know if this is a problem or
not?I guess I was expecting to see ?Ethernet?
or some such, as one would with a Mac.
When I click on ?Entire Network,? I see only the
computer I?m sitting in front of, no others?this
was true with the E-net hub and also with the
E-net direct cable. Nothing works. I'm at the
outer limits of my knowledge & patience, and
two consultants couldn't fix it. (I'm refraining
from saying how easythis would be with
Macs. Heh.) Any help will be beyond
appreciated.

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by winmorgan In reply to Windows 2000 Networking * ...

Where Question Marks show in above (as they
do in my browser window), they were originally
Quotation Marks?something changes them
when I post the question (just trying to be
clear).

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by Joseph Moore In reply to Windows 2000 Networking * ...

You will need a crossover cable to direct 2 machines and get Ethernet connectivity between them. A normal CAT5 straight-thru cable will not work.
Plug a crossover cable into them both, set them for the same IP subnet (10.1.1.1 and 10.1.1.2, for example) then you will have connectivity, i.e. you will be able to PING between them.
If you don't have a crossover, just go to a computer store and ask for one.

hope this helps.

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by Shanghai Sam In reply to Windows 2000 Networking * ...

Comment: The direct network cable (UTP I assume) must be a crossover cable. A standard cable is straight through ie wires go to the same pins on each side. Check the colour order at the cable plugs.

If the 2 PCs have different IP addresses then it may easier to install NetBEUI temporarily to enable communication. NetBEUI uses the PC names. To do that follow the path: Right-click on My Network Places: Properties: Right-click on Local Area Connection: Properties; If NetBEUI is not installed left-click on the Install button; choose a Protocol & press Add; select NetBEUI Protocol & press Add; let it install & then shutdown & restart. You may still need to authorise users as below.

Windows 2000 won't allow access unless the user on the other machine is authorised or unless guest is enabled. If you're on the internet you don't want to enable Guest. So you have to make sure that the same person with same password exists on both PCs. To add a user follow the path: right-click on My Computer; Manage: Local Users and Groups: User: (shows users in right pane): Select a user or add a user - ensure same password both sides; while in user properties select the Member of tab and add the user to Administrators or Power users otherwise theuser may not have enough rights to do anything. Once you've achieved what you want to do you can remove these users. If they have blank or weak passwords they could open up your PCs to access from the internet ie to being cracked.

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by winmorgan In reply to Windows 2000 Networking * ...

<b>For Answers 1 & 2:</b> I was hoping to
find some way to do this via the ethernet hub.
If the regular ethernet cable won't work (which
I get from what you said), I'd have to move the
entire 2nd machine into the room with the 1st
machine (they're about 100 ft. apart, and I've
been using a 100 foot ethernet cable).
Second, if I have to go the crossover route, as
you suggest, is there some way for me to save
one configuration somewhere in the
networking control panel (for the settings as
they are now, which say "Get IP address
automatically," and set up the same IP subnet
as you suggest? I'd want to do this so I can
leave the first configuration alone, as that's
how both machines connect to the internet.Thanks for your initial comments...I'm hoping
something will work.

<b>For Answer 2: </b> If NetBEUI is installed
on both machines, would I then theoretically
be able to get them networked via the ethernet
hub? Thanks.

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by sikki In reply to Windows 2000 Networking * ...

First, is the equipment from @home a router or a modem. If it's a modem connected to the hub, will only get however many ip's you are given by @home and the other computer will have a windows assigned ip. If this is true you should get a router togo between the modem and the hub to assign ip address(run dhcp).
If the equipment from @home is a router check to make sure it is set for dhcp. Then make sure that none of the machines are hooked into the uplink port of the hub, including the router.
For network setup you should only need TCP/IP, client for MS, and file and printer sharing.
Another thing is to make sure each PC has a different computer name. MS doesn't allow more than one computer to have the same name in the same workgroup/domain.
For the Crossover cable it still uses the same settings as a normal network would.

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by sikki In reply to Windows 2000 Networking H ...

Taking the modem out of the network and putting both machines in the same subnet could possibly solve this using a crossover cable, and file and printer sharing.
Spending the money on a router would also get you internet to all the machines connected to the hub using only one gateway(the modem), in case that's something you would want.

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by winmorgan In reply to Windows 2000 Networking H ...

Thanks to all who replied. Nothing helped...had to get
a consultant to fix the problem.

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by winmorgan In reply to Windows 2000 Networking * ...

Comment to answer #3:

1. It?s a modem from @Home, not a router. It
may be that it?s assigning IP addresses is
what?s causing the problem (as you
suggest)...Would it work to turn off the modem
when I just want these two machines to
network with each other (I don?t need to
connect them often, only to move some
software periodically). In other words, if the
modem were not plugged into the ethernet
hub, would that possibly stop the problem?
I?d like to not have to put a router into this mix,
as it would be expensive and I rarely need
these two machines to communicate. 2. The
two computers belong to the same
workgroup, but they have different computer
names, so I don?t think that?s the problem...it
seemsto be the IP address and possibly the
subnet masks that are causing the problem.

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